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      Military support for him really waned over his first term. Previous year the general consensus was enlisted were ruby red voters while officers/lifers leaned blue. In '20 that nearly flipped with enlisted becoming a toss up leaning red and officers/lifers breaking hard blue.

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    If Trump suffers a stroke and ends up in a wheelchair and/or partially paralyzed himself, I think this comment gives everyone permission to feel happy about that.

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      Thank you for THIS service. It’s admittedly comforting to have some vets on the same side. Hope Traitor Trump rots in jail, and you get the benefits you’re rightly owed and more.

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    The headline buries the lead. He calls all soldiers “killers.” This an article everyone should read.

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      Yeah it’s not news that reminding people of the Iraq war makes Republicans look bad.

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      I hate trump. But is he wrong? American soldiers are killers. Willingly joining wars where they are the aggressors and bomb schools and hospitals.

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          I can’t find the original comment but I think somebody said once that the real sign of the strength of the US military is that they can set up a Taco Bell anywhere on Earth in 72 hours.

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        The average teenager has no realization about that stuff. The three main motivators for military service were (and remain) escaping poverty, service tradition, and ideology. And once you’ve enlisted the only choice is war or prison.

        I have a lot more scorn for the adults that let Bush do it then I do for kids who didn’t have a chance in hell of realizing what this country does with soldiers and veterans.

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        Even if he is right, he owes it to people to make the POLICY ARGUMENT rather than just shit on some veterans to protect his brand.

        If he came out and said “veterans make Republicans look bad because of all their bad wars” maybe we’d cut him some slack.

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        The overhead to support one soldier is massive. But if we want to start referring to soldiers as killers, disparage the military, and make people think badly of them, then why spend so much money on it? Or do we just want to entice people to do a job everyone will look down on, blow a bunch of money on something everyone thinks is terrible, and treat those people like shit?

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    What’s the thing people say they like him for? “He says what we’re all thinking?”

    Sounds about right for republican patriotism; 100% packaging, 0% substance.

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      They’re like getting a gaming console for Christmas and all that’s in the box is some bricks and a smelly slime you can’t identify.

      Edit: Comparing them initially to the wonderful excitement of a good Christmas as a kid is wayyy too positive of a thing, but I don’t feel like deleting this. IDK words are hard.

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          Would you describe your service in the military as sweeping sand in a sandstorm? Mopping up the floor in a hurricane?

          Just curious.

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            As in I served in a non-combat role state side.

            Technical job, as far from the front line as is possible. In fact, the US wasn’t officially even at war, I was in between the first and second gulf war.

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    Fascism has such weird body issues.

    Next Trump admin, look for Liver King stuffed into a Navy crackerjack suit.

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      The most incredible thing to me is when they paint him as some kind of strong man, when he’d probably shit his pants if he had to pick up some furniture. I’m not going to go on some tirade of dunking on orange man, just look at the guy. He’s not healthy, let alone strong. He looks like a package of gummy bears that accidentally get left in the car in July.

      To be frank, that’s really all Trump has is veneer. Projecting the strong man energy while also having riding around in a golf cart be his most vigorous form of exercise and wearing shitty suit cuts that can’t hide his obesity; the spray tan and comb over to project the idea that he’s young and outdoorsy, while he’s whiter than calling the police and almost 80 years old; acting like he can relate to the common man when the dude eats KFC with a fork and knife on his private jet. Even the charity work the Trump organization has been involved in was little more than a flat out scam. If Trump was a fruit, he’d be all rind.

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      Fascism has such weird body issues.

      Always has. The Nazis’ first mass-murder victims were children with disabilities.

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    Wait, wasn’t this already known? I swear I read Trump saying something like this even before the 2020 election. Am I having a Deja vu?

    EDIT: Yes, it’s old news but now we have a reliable source and more details. Obviously he denied the claims the first time.

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    If you find yourself confused at how the right is all about those troops on one day and then when Trump shits on those troops they’re perfectly okay with that- it’s okay, that shit is confusing until you understand they only value the troops as props when it suits them.

    It’s also probably worth noting that Trump sees soldiers as chumps that weren’t special enough to get deferrals like him.

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      The Republicans have done master level manipulation where the groups of people they treat the worst think they’re on their side. It’s astounding

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    Ya know, it’s funny, I suspect the wounded vets would love to look at themselves in the mirror and see that they in fact hadn’t been wounded. But for them it’s just not that easy.

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    It wasn’t even a decade ago when the Republican party was all about the wounded vets and veterans in general. They were THE American heroes and were honored extensively. They used them to speak about how the libs didn’t give a damn about our soldiers and all that crap.
    Then Trump came in with his “I like soldiers who don’t get hurt or captured” bullshit and all the POW/MIA flags disappeared and got replaced with the Gadsen flag and the Iron Cross.

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      They don’t have a good faith position. Trump’s attitude towards both the military in general and vets in particular- especially wounded ones - were voiced in public while he was still just a candidate for the Republican nomination. He thinks only an idiot or loser would join the military because they aren’t qualified for anything else.

      People - even Putin - thought his campaign was over when he insulted Gold Star families, but the “pro-vet” republicans just supported him even more.

      Any position they take is just for optics and can switch at a moment’s notice.

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        It doesn’t really surprise me that that’s Trump’s stance on things, but it does surprise me that the military loving Republican voters didn’t even have to think about it. They just immediately went “yeah! Fuck soldiers!!”.
        Hell, most of the active military personnel we have are heavily right leaning and even they didn’t have a word to say about it. They just lined up, voted for him, and bought more merch.

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          most of the active military personnel we have are heavily right leaning

          It’s a bit more complicated than that.

          The enlisted/younger/minority troops tend to skew politically in a way consistent with their age and demographics- that is, liberal/left. Commissioned/older/whiter troops also tend to skew politically consistently with their own demographics.

          There’s definitely a demographic in the military that are drawn to enlist out of right-wing sentiment, especially family-tradition/legacy soldiers, doubly so if they’re from the sort of family that can get them a commission. It happens, but it’s hardly the rule- after all, a solid contingent of the enlisted folks are there because it promises to help them pay for college

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      They use them to look good but they’re also the party that cuts the services they most need.

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      They weren’t even that before Trump. They were busy dismantling the VA and cutting benefits for veterans before him. Jon Stewart had to go to Congress to argue for benefits for veterans exposed to burn pits.

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    If Milley did it right, he would have put the wounded front and centre after a remark like that. Just shove it in his face.

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    And the “patriotic” MAGAtarded minions will STILL proudly vote for this piece of shit.

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      It really brings us down to their level when we use words like trumptard or magatard. Take the high road and stick to calling them hypocritical idiots.

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          It’s just a crude thing to say. If we say crude things out on the Internet for all to see, then we’re being crude and that reflects on our character. Just try to be good that’s all.

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            Crudeness isn’t what defines those animals. It’s their lack of morals, compassion, ability to think for themselves, and intelligence that does. So call them what they are and stop mincing words.

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              By not being crude we can add to the list of good qualities that separate us from them. We have to remember that what’s truly important is building a better world. If we resort to lesser tactics we cheapen ourselves and our goal.

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                If that works for you, good. For me, personally, I say fuck them. They don’t deserve the dignity and respect that I reserve for people who aren’t seditious cowards that fuck over their own country.

                They’re the worst, and they deserve nothing more than.