• CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social
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        I mean, regardless of how one feels about democracy as a whole, numerous other countries demonstrate that you can at least have a more effective implementation of democracy than that of the United States

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          More effective by tiptoes, not leaps and bounds. You can see countless other countries succumbing to populism and pandering.

          The US is just much more visible because of the domination of US media, and the desire to distance themselves from it by pointing out “how much worse it could be” like the US.

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          Not really. They’re just in their infancy. The EU is the newborn version of the US Federal Government.

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            The US in it’s infancy (and admittedly it’s still not even that old as far as countries go) was very often even less democratic than it is now, so I’m not sure I really can agree with this

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              As far as established countries or governments go, you’re absolutely right. Established democracies, though? The US is the oldest. And if you look at our origins, a collective of sovereign territories united as one union, it’s not hard to see the EU as the next version. In fact, the entire EU is less than 1/2 the size of the US (area wise).

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                  Greece’s current Democracy was established in 1974.

                  Notice how they said “Established democracies”? The ancient Democracy of Greece did not last for more than two thousand years.

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                    They never changed to another form of government since democracy making them the longest uninterrupted democratic nation in the world. But thanks for flexing your uniquely American education.