Well I guess Gaetz finally screwed someone over 18.
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Voting with democrats to remove the speaker for voting with democrats. Seems like a healthy system.
Democrats should capitalize on this and run attack ads on the Republicans that ousted McCarthy.
“Gaetz voted WITH the liberal Democrats in an UNPRECIDENTED vote…”
Not that it would matter but moreso to just chuck more salt into a wound.
You broke logic to a chimp fight.
You broke logic to a chimp fight.
Somehow this statement makes more sense than Gaetz.
The greatest system of government ever created, everyone.
“Democracy is the worst form of government except for all of the others that have been tried.”
I mean, regardless of how one feels about democracy as a whole, numerous other countries demonstrate that you can at least have a more effective implementation of democracy than that of the United States
More effective by tiptoes, not leaps and bounds. You can see countless other countries succumbing to populism and pandering.
The US is just much more visible because of the domination of US media, and the desire to distance themselves from it by pointing out “how much worse it could be” like the US.
Not really. They’re just in their infancy. The EU is the newborn version of the US Federal Government.
The US in it’s infancy (and admittedly it’s still not even that old as far as countries go) was very often even less democratic than it is now, so I’m not sure I really can agree with this
As far as established countries or governments go, you’re absolutely right. Established democracies, though? The US is the oldest. And if you look at our origins, a collective of sovereign territories united as one union, it’s not hard to see the EU as the next version. In fact, the entire EU is less than 1/2 the size of the US (area wise).
Not even close. Greece says ‘What?’.
You know nothing on the subject and it shows.
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This is Gold. Pokemon Gold.
Remember to Pokémon Go-to-the-polls!
Pokemon is like ranked choice voting. You have your first pick, but if it faints your next choice is up. Repeat until the end of your lineup.
When they asked Gaetz if he had a name to put forward for speaker…
He has no idea, no plan, they’re just throwing a tantrum
They have a plan alright. They want to throw the US into chaos so their overlord in the Kremlin can continue his miserable existence a bit longer. Anyone who votes for these fuckers is a traitor.
Exactly. No speaker means the house grinds to a halt yet again. Which is exactly what they want - minimum attention while they lie, cheat, and steal their way into positions of authority for their next coup attempt.
There is already a speaker pro tempore. It’s an automatic process.
Yeah but all they can do is repeatedly hold votes for a speaker. Until one is confirmed, the house can’t vote on legislation or conduct any business.
Pro Tem is only there to elect a new Speaker afaik.
Not according to the news article I read before making my comment. Guess I’ll have to read up more on it.
Is that true? I’m probably misunderstanding but if someone was automatically put into place, wouldn’t that circumvent the halt that is reportedly going to happen? Also who would that be? This shit is confusing.
There is an interim speaker. Patrick McHenry, (R) NC
this probably puts democrats in a position to pick the new speaker. Its clear any resulting speaker will have to get approved without gaetz
Primary motivation IMO is Trump flexing and saying “if I go down, so will you” to the party, in an attempt to force them to do “something” to help him in his trials.
I don’t think Trump knows what that something is, but that hasn’t stopped him in the past.
This is the 2016 election in a nutshell
This is republican politics in general
My prediction is that they’ll flail around a bit trying to find someone they prefer and eventually just appoint McCarthy again. Probably not really that likely but it’ll feel hilarious if I manage to call it so I’m predicting that anyway.
My guess goes to them somehow electing MTG speaker and getting even less work done. At least the work place environment will be positive, considering all the laughter they will have.
if MTG becomes the speaker, the sexual harassment lawsuits will get out of hand. Remember, you’re not supposed to show dick pics as work.
I welcome it. I’m one of the few conservatives on this site and I’m enjoying watching the GOP split. It’s been a long time coming. Hopefully it sends a few of the cockroaches scurrying back into their obscure shadows so reasoned debate can make a resurgence into the House.
Lmao noice
And commence 45 days of no Speaker so they can crash the system by not being able to pass the budget
I think the GOP would have to keep all their members in the house in case the democrats comes with a motion to name a speaker by themselves when there outnumber republicans in the house.
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They did last time Hakeem Jeffries
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Because there are more Republicans in the house right now and they didn’t vote for him.
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No, they meant the democrats nominated him, or put him forward as their candidate for speaker. Not that he won the vote.
If there is a quorum in the chamber but more Democrats than Republicans present, in theory they could successfully vote for a Democratic Speaker while in the minority. There is nothing that says the Speaker of the House has to be a member of the party that holds the majority. However, Republicans/the Speaker Pro Tem will almost definitely make sure this doesn’t happen. I say almost definitely because, as we’ve seen, they’re not that great at strategy these days.
Because Dems don’t have the majority. Jeffries was often the top vote getter during the speaker voting in January, though, since the Republican coalition is fracturing, much like now. Plurality doesn’t get you the speaker’s gavel, though.
If the non-Fredumb Cuckoo’s in the Republican party actually come to an agreement with the Democrats on a speaker, as they should, then they could.
At this point though the entire Republican party is more concerned with people’s genitals and reproduction than governing.
that’s probably why they did it. They’d only need a handful of moderates to join them in the vote; and it kind of sounds like they’ve been making deals in the background.
That speaker would be quickly removed
The House sets its own rules at the beginning of every Congress. There’s no reason a speaker has to agree to the demands that they can be removed via motion by one single member of Congress.
It certainly wasn’t an option during the last Congress, while Pelosi was Speaker. It also shouldn’t be a demand Democrats should ever cave to when nominating their own candidate.
McCarthy did this all to himself.
I am sure that majority would be able do remove the speaker.
Speaker Jefferies wins seat after making stunning deal with a handful of Republicans to avoid a government shutdown.
Under the special agreement, Jeffries will be subject to the same rule of one person being able to table a motion to remove him, much like McCarthy, but not until a budget has been passed by congress and signed by Biden.
It would be funny that’s how we get Universal Healthcare
There’s already a speaker pro tempore. It’s an automatic process based on names submitted by McCarthy in January.
There is an interim speaker, Patrick McHenry.
And the irony is the hard right just voted with the Democrats on something - which is exactly the problem they had with the funding bill.
This should be ran 24/7 on the fascist news channels.
To sum:
- Republican minority threw tantrum, because McCarthy passed a 45 day funding bill with Dem votes, and called a vote to vacate
- McCarthy before the vote “They don’t have to vote to out me”
- Votes counted, need 5 Republicans to flip, and 8 did flip
- McCarthy blames the Dems
- Matt Gaetz blames the Dems
- Media ask why won’t Dens save McCarthy
- Conspiracy already brewing in real time, it’s all Biden scheme to install a puppet speaker
It’s not my responsibility and it’s all your fault. You can’t make this up.
It’s always Dem’s fault for not stopping repubes from setting the house on fire. Classic narcissistic prayer.
It was a given that the Dems would be blamed. The dipshit repugs don’t know how to do anything else.
Wait so Biden isn’t senile and is instead installing his own puppets while trump is the shadow president?
That was coming regardless.
Now it’s time for HAKEEEEEEEM JEFFRIES!
I heard this in Leroy Jenkins’ voice…
That was the point.
Huffman is awesome and does a lot for his district.
So how long does everyone think it will take this pack of whiny children to decide who the replacement is going to be?
I wanna see the odds of it just going right back to him, because they have no ideas
That would be absolutely hilarious
Greater than 45 days. They’re afraid McCarthy would get enough not-insane republicans to cross the aisle, so they had to get rid of him before he could pass a more permanent spending bill.
They want to use every fiscal discussion as a hostage negotiation.
I think the over/under is going to be hard to decide on because it seems like it’ll be first-order-of-business done in less than a week, or the full 45 days, or McHenry the Pro Tempore just starts acting like a Speaker and we never get a real vote.
I think the over/under is going to be hard to decide on because it seems like it’ll be first-order-of-business done in less than a week, or the full 45 days, or McHenry the Pro Tempore just starts acting like a Speaker and we never get a real vote.
All modern Republicans know how to do is antagonize.
When no one takes the bait, they start consuming each other.
lasted longer than I expected
Yeah my head of lettuce is long long gone
How many Mooches was that?
Mooch: 11 days McCarthy: 272 days
= 24.7272 scaramuccis
I’m surprised it’s the first time this has ever happened
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Because the Speaker is elected by the majority. So the removal has to be by some part of that same group that put the Speaker there in the first place. That usually happens only when a schism appears within a party and part of being a well oiled political party is to prevent schisms forming.
Actual Republican leadership, like the organization that is the Republican party, not the folks that are part of that organization within the US House, has become a complete and utter cluster fuck of unmitigated magnitude to put it in insanely nice terms. Historically it took a lot of backbone to manage former Dixiecrat and Nationalist groups operating within the Republican party. Under Reince Priebus, long story short, all that fucking went out the goddamn window. And Ronna McDaniel, seeing the complete dumpster fire that is the Republican National Committee, decided the best thing to do was to bring TNT inside jugs of gasoline and see what happens.
I mean, there’s not really a whole lot of policy that happens anymore at the RNC, it’s mostly become a group that focuses on donor groups and arranging them in… whatever logic it is that they use for priority for promotion. Long standing policy has mostly been delegate to those groups and is largely outside the RNC at this point. Which brings up the question, what the fuck is the RNC even used for now?
With SuperPACs largely legal now and the pretense of a unified political party gone, the only thing that I can imagine the RNC is actually useful for anymore is that they’re enshrined in a lot of local law to allow them to be on the ballot, and that’s about it. But yeah, usually political parties have way more control over their group than this. Gaetz just randomly firing off at his own is evidence that the RNC has lost 100% of their power over their members and exists only as a means to funnel money into a group for exchange for a protected right by law to be on the ballot.
Could a new speaker propose new rules to remove the new rule that allowed McCarthy to be removed? Or are the rules, once defined, set for the term?
I assume with a large enough vote anything could change, but are the standard rules attached to the speaker or the term?
I ask because I don’t see anyone agreeing to what McCarthy agreed to, if they can avoid it.
I’m probably wrong but I think the rules are decided before each house convenes (which is every year or two in January after folks are sworn in. ).
So this year is locked. But after the election cycle it will be time to vote on new rules. They could reverse them then. But the margins are so thin….who knows.
That’s how bullshit like filibuster rules have been degraded from actually having to stand and filibuster to simply saying “well I would do it if I had the energy so it’s a filibuster speech now”.
I think Democrats missed a chance by voting along party lines here. Yes the drama from McCarthy losing his seat is delicious but anything that helps make Gaetz look like an idiot is even sweeter. Just the vote itself already diminishes McCarthy’s power, but there’s incentive now for McCarthy to actually court Democrat votes for future bills and everytime a bill passes with Democrats voting for it you can hear Gaetz slowly losing it.
