• blazeknave@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    You really don’t want to go back 50 years and review both sides. Your arguments get weaker the more you actually look past the year 2010.

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      11 months ago

      I mean, the main start of the conflict was over 70 years ago. I’m not sure if Israel really comes out looking that much better.

      They unilaterally declared themselves a state and ended up expelling over 700k people from their homes. They even utilized biological warfare, poisoning wells with typhus.

      While there have been crimes against humanity committed by both sides, the reason people focus on Israel is that they are in the sole position of power. Palestine has no way to barter or negotiate, and when all other forms of discourse are eliminated, then the only option is violence.

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        11 months ago

        Arab nations forced hundreds of thousands of Jews out of their homes and into Israel when the Brits controlled it.

        Israel accepted the UN proposal for a two state solution, giving Gaza and the West Bank to Palestine.

        Palestine rejected it and launched a war against Israel with the help of Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and Iran in an attempt to eliminate the Jews in Israel.

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          Arab nations forced hundreds of thousands of Jews out of their homes and into Israel when the Brits controlled it.

          Israel did not exist under British rule… are you talking about the blockade of Jerusalem in 47? I don’t think you know what you are talking about, there were only 500k Jews in all of Palestine when the British were in charge. And a lot more Palestinians were displaced during that conflict than Jews.

          Israel accepted the UN proposal for a two state solution, giving Gaza and the West Bank to Palestine.

          Yeah… That’s why people were upset. The Jewish population made up 1/3 of the population, and owned only 7% of the land during the mandate, but we’re given 56% of the country, which just happened to be the most valuable land.

          Of course people are going to be pissed, a minority group was just awarded the majority of the country for free.

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              11 months ago

              Clearly not, as he said this was an operation when the British controlled Palestine. Magic carpet happened in 49’, two years after the initial outbreak of violence.

              We were discussing the initial cause of the violence, not one of its results.

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      11 months ago

      Truth be told, I am not old enough to have cared about issues like this pre 2010. So what exactly do you think justifies israels behavior here? What happened before 2010 that shows that Palestine is the aggressor?

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        11 months ago

        Who justified Israel’s behavior? You people just come here to fight and ignore human life. I never said that. Hamas has been hiding behind babies to blow up other babies for decades. Their charter is defined as the eradication of Jews on earth. Do you know any of that?

        Pre 2010 is a joke. Your opinion is uninformed by definition. This conflict goes back way beyond 1948. 13 years doesn’t tell the story of who Hamas is, antifadah, etc. Hamas has been a blight on Palestine.

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          11 months ago

          Well, fair enough, in this comment chain nobody justified Israels behavior.

          I know Hamas has been hiding behind civilians and children, and Hamas are absolutely disgusting. Definitely. But I think it’s necessary to acknowledge that bombing civilians to get rid of terrorists is counterproductive. IDF is almost certainly creating more terrorists than they are killing by doing that. I’m sure some of the civilians already want to destroy Israel, but I think most of them get indoctrinated when joining Hamas after seeing how friends and family keep getting killed by IDF.

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      11 months ago

      Okay so you actually don’t know anything that has happened. Thanks for telling us you are ignorant as fuck.

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        11 months ago

        Hamas uses babies as human shields. Way before the IDF killed thousands. You hear of intifadah? These are facts. Did you know that? Before you tell me I’m ignorant and yell another factoid back at me, do you know these are facts? Acknowledge me before whatabouting or shut your fucking mouth

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          Are you talking about the first intifada in 1987 that occurred after IDF forces killed four refugees with a truck?

          And intifada means ‘uprising’ you fucking racist. Like Jesus Christ, at least try to hide the fact that the only thing you care about is killing brown people.