I mean, the solution isn’t to just say the other guy is bad.
It’s to run someone who is good.
What about Biden is bad exactly? Yeah, he’s old. Yeah, he has the exact same position on Israel as literally every US president since its inception. But what about Biden makes him not “good” in your eyes?
I support Biden not because he’s an anti-Trump, but because he’s a genuinely good man who gets things done. He knows how to work the system and gets results.
I support Biden not because he’s an anti-Trump, but because he’s a genuinely good man who gets things done. He knows how to work the system and gets results.
As do I. The problem this time around though will be the number of younger independent and third party runners that might end up pulling votes from the “Biden is too old” crowd. And unfortunately, every vote not for Biden is a vote for Trump.
Which is why we need ranked choice voting so we steal power away from this bipartisan system that robs us of our actual choice.
system that robs us of our actual choice.
Let’s cut out the middleman and go straight to direct voting.
Although a president is one of the few positions that I think a country could actually use, even with direct voting. Just for diplomatic relations, cause we can’t all talk to the world leaders at once.
Hundreds of micro votes a year? I think people should be ABLE to directly vote for things, but most legislation is better handled by representatives. I’m interested in politics and even I wouldn’t be happy voting directly on every policy. That’s way too much stuff to be informed on.
That’s fine. Nobody is forcing you to vote.
Other people will vote on the things you’re not interested in. In many ways, it’s the same as having a representative vote for you.
The crime bill
And coming soon, the internet bill
Biden makes some very poor policy choices. He also championed the bill that made it so you couldn’t default on student loan debt. He also conceded the suspension of student loan repayment and got virtually nothing for it.
I am 100% voting for Biden next November and anyone who doesn’t is a god damn idiot but I am never going to pretend Biden is the right pill for america.
Edit: But look at this you guys. We are fucking arguing about Biden in a thread about how the media sucks at portraying Trump for what he is. This is the exact false equivalent the media keeps pushing.
We are asking ourselves why Churchill sucks when Hitler is on the rise.
I live in California. Haven’t voted D or R since 2008.
Thank God for me, I understand that it absolutely doesn’t matter unless you were in Devin Nunes district. In which case, a BIG FUCK YOU to you and I hope you choke on soda ash and die.
The crime bill was a bad move, but you’d have to also be angry at the congressional black caucus, local POC leaders etc, and I never hear anyone complain about them.
I am.
No genuinely good person
Provides weapons and support for the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian peoples.
Supported the invasion of Afghanistan
Votes against marriage equality.
Voted in favour of the largest ever expansion of police power and expansion of the death penalty.
Etc etc.
Biden is not a good person, Biden is a democrat, a right wing scumbag.
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Sometimes? Every US election in my life time was a choice of the lesser evil.
Now that the Republicans run a literal fascist who’s endangering democracy with project 2025 and his promises to imprison his political enemies, the Democrats could even run war criminal W and you’d have to vote for him because any vote not for Bush would be for Trump.
Democracy is completely broken in the US.
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The question was specifically about why they don’t like Biden. I’m sure they don’t like Trump either, seeing as they called Biden a right-wing scumbag. They answered the question and you people are still like “but Trump!”
If you can’t criticize the things you agree with, they will never improve. If you like something, you should be harder on it than things you don’t like.
It’s generally a bad idea to criticize someone for positions they no longer have and that they now argue against. It’s not really fair to say Biden sucks because of a policy he supported decades ago and no longer does. People should be allowed to change.
Even more, people should be ENCOURAGED to change. One thing that most politicians lack is the ability to reassess a position, and come to the conclusion that they were wrong.
If you blame someone for changing their mind on a position, you just encourage them to dig their heels in deeper and not be open to new information and ideas.
I don’t really agree. We can critique someone on a policy they may have changed position on if they continue to participate in politics and that policy still stands. Until they have an active hand in reversing what they imposed or step away from the job because they admit they are unfit, they don’t get the benefit of the doubt.
Actions speak louder than words sort of thinking here, which I’m inclined to believe.
At the very least, politicians who have changed their stances on issues they voted or worked towards in the past should make reversing those changes part of their agenda. Shows good faith, and is beholden to other branches of the government at that point.
Very often a policy can persist despite someone changing their views on it. Biden is President, he’s not in Congress anymore. The things he can do to effect changes that reflect his own changing views are different now. An example is his changing views on abortions over the last 18 years. In 2006, he stated he believed in limiting abortions, today he’s doing everything possible to protect access but as President, there’s not much he can do about Supreme Court decision and House/states controlled by Republicans. His views changed, but the political landscape makes actually accomplishing broader change near-impossible. That can’t be on him.
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Sometimes you’ve got to pick the better of the two and continue until you have someone great.
Who’s the other one of the two? You didn’t explicitly say his name, but you did mention him.
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The question was specifically about why they don’t like Biden. I’m sure they don’t like Trump either, seeing as they called Biden a right-wing scumbag. They answered the question and you people are still like “but Trump!”
If you can’t criticize the things you agree with, they will never improve. If you like something, you should be harder on it than things you don’t like.
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Lmao seethe commie . Enjoy 4 more years, then Buttigieg after.
I’m not American.
I’ll enjoy continuing to watch your country turn to shit from a distance while I enjoy my communist universal healthcare system, you know the thing Biden continues to fight against you having.
Lmao ok. Thanks for not mattering.
I do still hope our next presidents deeply upset you tho
You’re no different than a Trump supporter, you don’t care if you suffer as long as you can make others feel mad.
I hope you live a long, full life, and stay mad about it forever
The part where he raped a woman and blackballed her for trying to report it was kinda bad. The whole thing where right now he’s committing a genocide is also pretty bad too.
I could do a laundry list thing here but it’s hard to put anything next to rape and murdering two million people with hunger and bombs.
Biden is commiting genocide? That’s an interesting take.
What part are you getting hung up on, champ?
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The solution is to start paying attention and demand better. They won’t change until they’re forced to. That’s going to take numbers.
That’s a great solution to win an election if it were easy to find a golden candidate that people like and can’t be portrayed as less than ideal by the other side. Right now, I’ll happily settle and vote for less than perfect if that candidate is the only one not courting fascism. And I certainly won’t go throwing my vote to someone else just because the only guy standing between democracy and tyranny isn’t checking all my boxes. No, sir. Democracy is too important to throw away just because “I don’t love one candidate and actively fear the other, so I just won’t bother.” Democracy is my single-issue this election. Get out and vote, because this time, democracy is cracking, and it is at risk of collapse to fascism.
I mean, that’s good and all but the reality may be different.
You can tell people what they should care about and what they should do, but they probably won’t do it unless they want to.
If democracy really is hanging by a thread, then democrats should nominate the best candidate possible instead of just ones who protect the status quo.
Exactly. If this was something Democrats cared about, pick a better candidate. Biden’s approval rating is as bad as Trump’s at the same time in his presidency. The guy squeaked by with a win when it should have been a blowout.
Hmmm, how on earth is it possible for you to have replied to 26 different posts in the last 60 minutes, across multiple articles, many with multiple paragraphs. Fastest typer in the world?
Yep.
S*** man you might be a slow type if you can’t type that much in an hour.
It isn’t so much the volume of typing, it’s the typing a thought-out answer to all those various articles and responses that seems curious. I type at a pretty fast rate, myself, but I don’t consider someone else’s comments and think up (and then type) fact based replies in that timeframe. My comment about typing speed was more me implying that a 3-day-old account that is responding that quickly to that many people on so many subjects in such a short amount of time – well, it walks and quacks like a bot.
Buddy I just went through that account page. There ain’t no multiple paragraph length dissertations like you are implying. Most of those “paragraphs” are one or two sentences long. That’s just basic literacy.
I mean Trump is a wannabe mob boss / Hitler. Who might win. That should be extremely scary.
I hate the both sides statement but….
Both sides selectively prune “good” candidates, unless they fit a candidate the parties can relate to. Really old white dude.
They did that, though.
If every halfway respectable news outlet sounded the alarm and made Trump’s threats to democracy and the rule of law the dominant story from now until election day, he’d still have 85% of his supporters. Some would be OK with it. Some would say he’s still better than Biden. Most would never see it because they live in a media bubble that tells them what they want to hear. And more than a few would call those stories hit pieces and climb into the bubble to be safe and comfortable.
We do need the media and everyone else to sound the alarm. And even a small shift could be enough to make the difference. But as long a large portion of the population is listening to outlets that unabashedly spew extremist propaganda, we’re going to continue have this problem.
A lot of people get their worldview from some big ego on YouTube, Tik Tok, or Facebook these days it seems.
Some dude who is not a journalist and is not qualified to report on anything is making grandpa’s whole personality.
What a time.
That same grandpa who probably told us “Don’t believe something just because you heard it on the internet!”
Hell, a lot of them would be even more energized if outlets “oppressed” him. His followers are convinced that all the court proceedings and bad press are just those liberals being afraid, and if it makes those liberals afraid, that’s got to be good.
He even has some criticism from Republicans covered, with the whole RINO schtick to “no true Scotsman” away criticism from some Republicans.
Maybe, maybe if you had almost the entire Republican party, Fox News, OANN, and newsmax all calling him out, maybe. As it stands any other outlet complaing is just more delicious liberal tears to a group of people who are eager for their leopard to eat the faces of people they don’t like.
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Why is it always after? When people like you are sounding the alarm before. It’s always, “why didn’t anyone warn us?”
What we really need is for lightning to come down out of the sky onto the orange one’s head and take him out. Crossing fingers.
It doesn’t matter what the media says.
Almost every American is trying to survive a 30% to 50% cost of living increase that got worse under Joe Biden.
Do you really think they’re going to care if the candidate of change is a fascist? History has already taught us that political ideology is secondary to one’s survival.
The inflation and subsequent cost of living increase is a direct consequence of the covid stimulus packages.
Now remind me again who it was that started the money printing after the catastrophic handling of the pandemic.
If only people could eat excuses.
We’ve found a few hundred billion for another country’s wars, but can’t seem to find a dime for our own. How it started is inconsequential at this point. The person with the power to help is MIA and spending his time figuring out how to send even more of our money overseas, this time to support Israel’s genocide.
Fun Fact: Ever since the end of the Cold War every Republican presidency increased military spending while every Democrat president reduced it.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Military_spending_%25_of_revenue.webp
It’s true that military spending as a percentage of GDP has dropped over the years, yes.
It doesn’t change the fact that we massively neglect the needs of our own people in order to spend incredible sums of public money for warmongers, money said warmongers don’t need. It’s not enough that our military has bases in nearly every country on earth or that we’re running wars in seven or eight countries simultaneously, we’re now expected to find hundreds of billions more for other country’s wars too.
Canada spends 26 bill a year on war. Mexico spends 8 bill a year on war. We spend more than a trillion every year.
All while our people are suffering under a 30-50% cost of living increase and housing scarcity is accelerating.
It’s obscene.
I agree that the things you bring up are obscene but biden who is a corporate democrat who pretends to listen to our needs while dragging his feet is still better than a fascist who will bring us nothing but national shame and set progress on those issues back decades. I just don’t see your point, sorry.
You’re welcome to your opinion.
I just don’t see any difference between a perpetrator and a collaborator. We’re getting fascism no matter who we elect.
That’s what happens when you stimulate an economy that was already doing well and then pass the buck to the next guy.
The media in the US exists to make money, not to spread truth.
Why would they kill their golden goose?
No.
Corporations exist to make money.
Media exists to entertain and inform.
Most media is owned by corporations.
Don’t forget, corporations are people now!
Gee whiz thanks Citizens United!
So… yes.
That’s the exact problem. Corporations aren’t people. They might be run by people, but they are a concept of their own, that create a very twister social dynamic where the people that run them have certain feeling of obligation but also a sense of irresponsibility. Because the “corporation”, or the embodiment of the abstract end of maximizing profit, takes responsibility for the employees’. Mostly culturally, but even in many ways legally too.
I think the public understands just fine. It is just people are indifferent to Biden at this point, and It seems Dems can’t connect to average people. “Hey you’re not struggling, you’re doing great now.” is not a winning message while people can’t afford food and rent. Then you got the media giving infinite Trump coverage.
Trump is in a position where nothing does anything negative towards him. It is crazy he is able to run after all that has happened. The lesser evil and not being Trump is not good enough to reach average people.
“it is crazy he is able to run after all that has happened.”
It’s not that far fetched when you talk to anyone who listens to right wing media or religious channels. I just had the misfortune of getting into a political conversation my grandmother started and she only watches religious t.v and yet she was going on about “it’s so awful what they are putting Trump through, they’re just going after him in the courts because they don’t like him. Biden and all of them are criminals it’s so sad.”
Like for fucks sake the actual fucking criminal going to court, being proven to be a criminal (or at the very least running a fraudulent company), is somehow not a criminal, but the old dude who the right has been attacking forever and can’t find anything that’s real to pin him on is the “real” criminal…
There’s nothing surprising about all the support for Trump because we live in a society without a real functioning press. We live in a society of money hungry immoral assholes who will drive this world into the dirt if it means more money for them and their shareholders, that’s including CNN, MSNBC, ABC, you name it. They’re all guilty of abandoning their responsibility as the press in favor of their “responsibility” to make excessive profits as a corporation via eyeball catching PROPAGANDA.
We are awash in propaganda.
So. Much. This.
The lesser evil and not being Trump is not good enough to reach average people.
Demonstrably false given the last 3 election cycles.
But yet they keep giving that asshole a megaphone and air time. That orange shithead only seems to fail up. I wish he wasn’t anymore.
Seriously. If one more Democrat leans out of his ivory tower to shout down at me to tell me that I’m totally rich and safe now while I’m paying three hundred bucks for a weeks groceries for my family on the same money I made five years ago I’m going to lose my goddamned mind.
What doesn’t make sense to me, is that even though you’re right, I don’t see how that would make someone vote for Trump who already wasn’t going to vote for him.
They aren’t going to vote for Trump, they just aren’t going to vote for Biden, and they aren’t going to tell their friends to vote, and they aren’t going to get out the vote in their communities or drive people to the polls.
Imagine a politically active person last election went to their mosque or temple and made sure that their elders had a ride to the polls and the young people got registered to vote and people understood the issues.
Now imagine that she decides that she isn’t going to put in those efforts for a person that rubber stamps genocide and lies about how poor everyone she knows has gotten.
Not one person in this story voted for Trump, but how many votes did Biden lose?
You need to stop seeing this as a binary problem because that’s exactly why Democrats keep losing against weak unpopular candidates.
The problem isn’t the left deciding to vote for trump. It’s the left fracturing between multiple candidates from (D) and (I) while trump’s people are all on board with him. It’s the exact thing that happened in 2016.
The problem is that, even when Democrats win the popular vote, they still lose the election due to gerrymandering.
Yes The actual problem is they cheat
How does one gerrymander the presidential election? To gerrymander requires one redrawing borders to zone out candidates. Where is anybody redrawing state borders?
This is embarrasing.
They want change, but they do not want to change. Many have always dem or rep so they vote out of habbit again and again. They complain about things getting worse and people offering solutions are regected in favor of a ‘solution’ they understand.
I think the main problem for the Democrats are apathy and people not voting at all, rather than people actually voting for Trump. The Trump voters will be the same, but they will actually vote.
Dems are winning elections and have done so every cycle since 2016
A few more “victories” like that and we’re all going to be in the bread lines.
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Yes that’s what clawing back control from disaster looks like. They haven’t set a legislative agenda since 2009.
Good news is they’re gonna keep winning as long as MAGA persists.
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but you’ll still vote democrat so they don’t care.
I know a half dozen people that worked get out the vote efforts to get Trump out of office who are going to be staying home this year. How many votes do you think that adds up to?
Fortunately we have a year to change their idiot minds. Democracy is on the line. Sitting this one out because we have hurt feelings is not an option. These people clearly don’t understand risk management and assessment.
Replacing Biden should be top priority for any Democrat if the concern of a Trump victory is this significant.
Not sure why you were downvoted for speaking a truth. I’m not voting Dem because of Biden but might if they get someone else. I am not voting Republican if Trump is chosen. Simple answer is replace them with someone who isn’t them or vote for another party entirely.
Biden is polling so badly since Afghanistan pullout and has never recovered, and that’s been a trend downward since, especially with what’s happening in Palestine. Both him and Trump are historically unlikable opponents. “Unnamed Democrat” pulls double digits higher than Biden in important swing states. If you genuinely support Democrats and want Trump to lose, the best strategy right now is to protest Biden’s role as party leader because the election is his to lose.
I’d like to hear the logic of people downvoting who disagree with this, and how Biden as leader won’t guarantee a Trump victory at this point.
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That’s all true of course but this is just polling data I’m referring to. It was during the Afghanistan pullout where Biden’s approval and disapproval inversed. I don’t actually think the Democrats are against the system that causes those other things, but I’m rationalizing the perspective of a Democrat supporter who wants to stop Trump at all costs. From that perspective you wouldn’t want Biden to run against Trump, you’d want another candidate who polls better against Trump in swing states.
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I appreciate your well thought out response. I agree whole heartily with you.
As a Veteran I felt that my time and suffering from the war was waisted because of the method of the pull out. Many of us feel that way.
I don’t necessarily support Dems after they played Bernie so bad in 2016. However with the right person I will vote for them.
I am an independent in my state so I can vote each way and see all the prospects.
I downvoted them because while they’re correct, they are not evaluating the risk of a Trump win correctly. None of this will matter if Trump wins. None of it.
Well said. Dems have had a hard time over the years gaining traction because they are terrible recruiters. Republicans are a bit better because of their ability to make the recruit feel like he is a part of a whole. Replace Biden and Trump would be the smartest thing but they won’t because Dems are out of touch and Republicans are stubborn. Unless the choices change I am voting independent.
As a person Republicans literally plan to persecute for existing, fuck you. You’re either a person who’s safe from the consequences of fascism, or an idiot who thinks they can avoid them. I can only hope you’re in a solid blue state.
Well I’m Hispanic, so your wrong. Also you are why the Dems might lose. Instead of having an articulate conversation and speaking your mind and reason you attack me and then leave. People like you make me want to vote red just to spite you however I am a reasonable adult.
fuck the dems they forever lost my vote when obama failed to pass single payer healthcare with a congressional majority. they will put their corporate donors over the american people just like the republicans the only difference is they fake support for minorities and lgbtq while repubs favor the religious bigots.
As sad as it is, in this case, the press needs to shut the fuck up. Every bit of news is good for Trump. They could have definite proof of him kicking a disabled child or shooting a Maga voter and it would still get him more votes.
So starve him out. Don’t give him a platform. Take away what he needs most, the constant attention. Everything else didn’t work, so this might be worth a try.
They honestly can’t help themselves. Most news media in the US is nothing more than a PR firm. You got fired from a billion-dollar corporation for trying to unionize? Fuck it, not news worthy. You made a little less as a landlord because renters struggled during COVID… fuck yeah, now that is news worthy. Poor landlords, poor corporations, Powerball, yada yada.
When are people going to be so fucking gullible? Are they actually trying to inform you on facts, or are they trying to lure you in based on fear and bullshit to push their narratives and revenue-partners?
“Yeah well that 5 year old disabled kid had it coming, he’s a pedophile Democrat communist.”
We saw him mock a physically handicapped reporter, full on spastic movements as if it was a schoolyard in the 90s mocking a handicapped student. That’s enough proof that video evidence of him being a terrible person is not going to convince people he’s a terrible person.
No, it would not get him more votes. The main problem for the Democrats are that a lot of non-Trump voters doesn’t vote at all, not that they are suddenly going to turn Trump voters. There has been a consistent non-Trump majority since 2016 after all.
Now the question is, how do we help them understand? When someone’s that disillusioned and disconnected, how can we make meaningful changes in their worldview?
Or, the other sides gotta get up and vote. But that can be easier said than done. And there’s some scary stuff happening in polling places.
Help them understand by running a candidate that isn’t just ‘the lesser evil.’
If Trump was so bad, maybe dems should’ve nominated Bernie instead of the least-electable candidate in the history of the US.
But let’s be real. In the eyes of the ruling class, Republicans are great while Democrats are good. It’s better they have someone like Trump or Biden in power than someone like Bernie because Bernie fucks with their money.
Trump doesn’t. Biden doesn’t. That’s why nobody cares about american politics anymore. It’s all a crapshoot setup by the ruling class to maintain control while making people think they have a voice.
If we want change, you need at least 2 full presidential cycles, probably more. You would need to build up a grassroots third party, start getting candidates who are willing to run for all the unglamorous positions like town selectman and school committee and work your way up from there. No magical third party president is going to come out of the woodwork and solve all your problems, and even if they did, the president is mostly just a figurehead.
I wouldn’t even bother even floating a 3rd party presidential candidate until you have ~1/3 of the house and at least a quarter of the senate under this 3rd party.
I suspect that there’s a lot more people than we think who would rather not vote for either Trump or Biden, but they don’t want to throw their vote away.
This is why we need rank choice voting. It would eliminate any risk of people voting for a third party while also voting for the lesser of two evils put forth by the D & R’s.
The only reason I can see why rank choice voting is not already everywhere is because they know it would strip power away from the top.
They won’t run a Bernie until -we- start to pay attention and demand it.
We’ve already tried that - twice. Even though it’s very possible that someone like Bernie could garner votes from both right and left.
Least-Electable Candidate in US History, Claims Area Man, of Candidate Who Won With Most Votes Ever in US History
That’s only because everyone was voting against Trump. This is the fault of our voting system. It is why we need rank choice voting, so we can vote for the people we like instead of against the people we dislike.
Candidate Who Won With Most Votes Ever in US History
Which has the exact same vibe as “the stock market hit all time highs!”
Yeah, no shit. The population is increasing. What else is new?
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And lost to… checks notes
Donald Trump.
Also, didn’t the 2016 US election have the highest turnout up to that point?
That’s the argument of a child. You’re perfect candidate is someone else’s lesser evil.
I think what they’re saying is they want a ‘true’ “lesser evil” type candidate like Bernie Sanders than a candidate who has been outwardly bad towards a significant number of popular positions.
Sure, Biden is doing a decent amount of progressive work now, but he’s still working on a legacy of being a milk-toast Democrat who’s partially responsible for the entire war on drugs and the like.
The point isn’t that something is always bad for someone. The point is they’re barely offering apples tied to strings. People are sick of the constant cockteasing no matter their political slant.
None of that negates the point. Honestly, the far right feels that Trump is lesser evil.
The point is, these are the candidates that, collectively as Americans we deserve. Sure they aren’t the ones we need. But they’re the ones generations of complacency, lack of education and participation have left us with. Not just us. But you get the point.
Now we can argue that conservatives thinking Trump is the lesser evil is abjectly stupid. And it is. But is it really any stupider than self defeating lefties constantly invoking Bernie Sanders name. Acting all butthurt on his account, when the man himself doesn’t. Taking the wrong lessons away from a showing that surprised even Sanders. Making democrats take notice, giving this Johnny come lately actual power within the Democratic party. Literally pulling them to the left. Constantly whining and bemoaning one of the most consequential democratic administrations in modern history, at least since the civil rights era.
Yeah, I’m not a fan of Biden. He’s made a lot of horrible and bone-headed moves throughout his career. But oh my god it’s so true what they say. The worst enemy of the left. Their mortal kryptonite. Is the left.
I agree with your sentiment. I just like to not downplay how important optics are. As much as I’m sure we both wish people were logical and informed, neither are true about most people.
Regardless of how good Biden presently is, he is working with a colored history. It genuinely sucks some people cannot look past the tree for the forest, but that’s how people work.
Unless we don’t want a democracy where people get a voice, we HAVE to deal with idiots and gaslit zealots being in the audience. As unreachable as the extremists are, there is still a HUGE swathe of people who are succeptible to what the extremists say.
Biden specifically, I think people are being too judgemental and dismissive on those parts of the left who refuse to vote for him.
“The left” isn’t as divided as you might think. It’s a political realm that contains multitudes of people. Many, many people are simply disaffected with Republicans and Democrats and aren’t sycophantic weirdos latching on to a personality.
As people get more and more familiar with what actually constitutes leftist positions, the only “infighting” there will be will be between those who want to use authority and force to get their way, and those that don’t.
I think we both know what to call people who want to use force to effect their politics.
I find that what’s best is to listen to those people, if they are aprochable, and ask understanding questions as for why they think that or what do they think about such subject. Sometimes pushing them to explain themselves will trigger some internal reflection without triggering their fear of losing face as much as with direct arguing. Then if they ask about your opinion, you may express it in a non confrontational way. I think this how some of those people can progress.
It’s less a matter of understanding than it is a matter of basic economics.
Try convincing a wage earner that it’s worth it to miss a day of work when the minimum wage hasn’t increased in 15 years and they’re coping with 30% to 50% increases in their cost of living under Joe Biden, who had control of Congress.
At some point it just clicks that your situation isn’t improving no matter who is elected.
Cause the American news media wants a second Trump presidency.
And I don’t just mean Fox news and the like. I mean all of it.
Because Trump was great for their ratings and viewship numbers.
A Trump Presidency is better viewership than every day mass shootings, because people eventually get burned out and tired of mass shooting news and start tuning it out…
But a Trump Presidency? Oh god, what fuckawful thing has the deflated jackolantern done this time? That’ll keep the viewers tuned in more than ever.
Which is why they never go hard at trump. Thats why they always try to isolate everything he does into individual topics instead of tied to the greater whole of corruption.
Even Canadian news media was the same. Trump would be on there every other night at least, and people tuned in to see what lie Trump told or stupid thing he did today. Many even had a special banner attached to it, similar to special coverage done for Olympic Games, certain wars, events or elections.
The ol’ Howard Stern strategy.
It blows my mind that even in my country (Poland) TV propaganda shows Trump as the good guy, what a bunch of bullshit.
Hasn’t Poland’s government been ultra-right wing the last long while too? The whole anti-gay thing there has been dark.
(I’m only meaning: I can understand why the propaganda in Poland is like that. I agree - it’s all a bunch of bullshit)
There is plenty of pootin influence around.
Poland seems to be a hotspot of sorts. Wasn’t a previous Polish political leader there backed by him?
FFS lady, the media is part of the problem.
Media concentration in the hands of a few billionaires have meant that the only people who become journalists for these major outlets are sycophantical cretins from families who benefit from a Trump win.
She should be directing her ire at her peers specifically.
Right, like who do you think is providing the other side of this opinion? The fucking media. What is this magic “other” media that needs to step in?
Media outlets have been either totally co-opted by the types of organizations they are supposed to blow the whistle on or they are nakedly partisan in order to have a reliable audience.
The call is coming from inside the fucking house, lady!
This is because modern media organizations - especially in the US - are primarily focused on one thing: making money. Sometimes making money conflicts with providing useful information and reporting to the public; in those cases, they overwhelmingly choose money over veracity and the public good, because those last two things aren’t highly profitable, and definitely aren’t profitable in the short term.
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Journalism is easily one of the most self-critical professions there is. There are entire publications and non-profits dedicated solely to critiquing news coverage. CJR and AJR are great examples.
I am not surprised that you appear to be unaware of this as media illiteracy is the norm for most citizens.
Additionally, who else would we even want to criticize news coverage apart from an expert who understands all of the nuts and bolts of how the industry works?
Simply being a consumer of news doesn’t make you an expert in journalism any more than consuming medical care makes you a doctor.
In my experience the vast majority of people who have no formal training, or have never worked in mass communications tend to labor under a huge set of misconceptions about how the news industry operates and what really goes on in news rooms. People honestly have no clue and tend towards being confidently and even disastrously incorrect.
You only have to look at Murdoch to understand how the media works. It is not a profession for the public interest anymore; it is there only to serve the people who own them.
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The public also doesn’t understand the nature of op-eds apparently.
How can it be still legal for Trump to run for President after the capitol attacks and his numerous impeachments and indictments?
He hasn’t been convicted of anything. Legal protections apply to everyone, even people we don’t like.
Because due process is a thing that exists and must be respected for all persons.
Because it’s all political theater.
Impeachment is meaningless. It’s just an accusation. If there’s no conviction, all it means is that the people who made the accusations were wrong.
Indictments are the same. Considering the indictments are for things Joe has literally confirmed on camera he did as well (and far, far worse), it’s going to be pretty embarrassing for the Dems to watch their tribe get dragged right into court under that precedent.
Trump is a piece of shit, Joe is even dirtier. The whole thing is an embarrassment and disgrace.
“Joe is even dirtier”
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I guarantee you, from Trump’s infidelities, to his solicitation of foreign interference, to his explicit outward racism and sexism, to his desire to kill Americans with COVID by undermining the CDC at every turn, to his weaponization of his supporters to storm the Capitol, to his constant word salad lying, to his tax fraud, to his bank fraud, Trump is astronomically more corrupt and “dirtier” than Joe Biden.
Hey randomly bombing that Iranian general, that was him too wasn’t it?
Can you believe how quickly you get down voted for pointing out Biden is a corrupt old man
I think it is due to him saying Biden is worse than someone who mirrors historic genocidal maniacs.
Biden isn’t perfect but he seems to at least try to implement positive change, and is not inciting violence on those who disagree with him.
Oh no, not just “mirrors”. Trump has openly said he admires many dictators and genocidal maniacs, including Kim Jong Un, Hitler, Mussolini (apparently his favorite), and Andrew Jackson.
Can you cite anywhere he said any of that?
I’m pretty sure he’s said favourable stuff about those dictators in the past but don’t have the time rn. He did however use the term vermin in a speech to refer to people he doesn’t agree with which is textbook fascist. Have a nice day.
I’m pretty sure he’s said favourable stuff about those dictators in the past but don’t have the time rn.
I think he’s called them smart or strong before, but he also called al-Baghdadi smart before saying he died like a cowardly dog- so I don’t think you can really say that saying someone had respectable attributes means you like the person.
As for insulting people with vermin, I don’t really see that as a specifically fascist thing, Trump insults a lot of different people with a lot of different words, I’m not surprised fascists used some of them.
Have a nice day.
Thanks you too!
Which is also fucking wild. While it’s objectively true Biden sucks it’s also objectively true trump is worse. fuck me dude. I’m a pretty center dude, left of most of the culture stuff, and I don’t gut hate a conservative. I guess the point I’m making is my disdain for that orange fuck and the rest of the current GOP sycophant assholes is an unbiased hatred. How anyone could vote (again, I am A LOT more conservative than 90% of Lemmy, I just don’t have any hate in me. I love you if your black, trans, Jew, muzz, Jesus folk, trees, most insects and all the squirrels) for these evil gerrymandering hate mongers is beyond me but it’s clear it has nothing to do with political ideology/policy and everything to do with hate and disgusting religious belief.
If you don’t hate them, that just means you don’t understand how their actions have directly made your life worse.
it’s objectively true Biden sucks
Prove it. Objectively.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/16/politics/afghanistan-joe-biden-donald-trump-kabul-politics/index.html
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-signs-bill-block-us-railroad-strike-2022-12-02/
https://apnews.com/article/child-tax-credits-program-ends-5ded3907c72ee0c3ad8a067a29d6b2c0
Man, that didn’t take long.
Look we’ve gotta vote for the lesser evil, obviously, but let’s not kid ourselves as if the Democratic party is somehow “social” or for the common people.
Their stance is still very much “The line-graph machine demands blood.” They simply go about it another way and are more inclined to respect their office and established rules of government, if only marginally.
Both parties send their kids to the same schools, and it sure as heck wasn’t where we went. It’s a silly game to them and we’re seen as resources to use toward votes, labor, and economy. (You know, like they used the Afghan people and promptly abandoned them to die as soon as it was convenient.)
And when more of the American people wander the streets ragged and starving while working 2 jobs for basic rent, and the stock market proclaims record profits, they’ll just as soon bust out the “What we need is jobs” rhetoric and hand gobs of cash to WalMart and Amazon calling them “jOb CrEatoRs”. AGAIN.
…and then as we’ve seen, objectively, block your right to peacable striking because you’re “too essential to the economy.”. . .a fashionable trend started by Reagan, a republican, with air traffic controllers.
As long as we don’t make them uncomfortable, they don’t give a crap what happens to us.
So basically, vote for the party the people have a better chance of wrestling control from and who might do less damage here and abroad, but by no means think any of them are your friends.
Well, see, the problem is none of this is objective.
For instance, I support all of the things you linked.
Their stance is still very much “The line-graph machine demands blood.”
This is just a dumb take lol. Presidents do have to make hard choices, yes. You don’t actually care about the end results, though, or you’d know Biden kept fighting for the unions and got them a victory.
Well they’ve not been able to demonstrate one single instance of corruption whatsoever. But sure, he’s old
No one is saying he hasn’t done corrupt things, but the assertion was that he was MORE corrupt than Trump. Which is empirically false.
One of the issues was the media was very over-focused on every little nitpicky thing to the point many people just stopped giving a shit. Social media took that hyper-focus to 11, vastly exasperating the situation. So when anything big happened, many just didn’t bother to look.
The boy cried wolf 100 times when there was only an ant; when there was a wolf nobody cared to listen to the cries.
For example, I remember this fish-feeding story. People made a deal about how he was feeding fucking koi.
What side of this issue do those who own the media support?
They support the next-quarter profits side. Which means low quality and max sensationalism.
Haven’t we seen the risks of a Trump presidency… when he was president?
People forget very quickly
Or maybe found it wasn’t as bad as was hyped
It was pretty bad, but there was some hyperbole that didn’t end up bearing out.
He is literally telling us that he will be a dictator while using nazi terminology, now, in his own voice, on purpose. It’s unacceptable.
No, we’re definitely dealing with goldfish memories here.
The biggest thing he did was authorize printing all this fucking money for covid. Now we’re screwed
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Embarrassment aside the money printing is what’s fucking the whole economy right now
Bush & Cheney: Tries to start 5 wars in 5 years
Trump & Pence: Publicly demonstrate how corrupt the US is
Liberals: Trump was the worst president ever¡!1
LOL this isn’t Truth Social. Why even waste your time? It’s not like you could ever convince someone here to accept your position.
Ironically the people on Lemmygrad and Hexbear understand.
LOL this isn’t Truth Social.
You think Truth Social would support someone calling out Bush? The bubble is strong on this one.
That’s because they are authoritarians too.
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I don’t think people would believe the media even if it tried.
Jon Stewart isnt Republican but Republican voters fully understand and agree with many of his viewpoints.
It is possible to have reasonable conversations and discussions with people regardless of their political views.
The question becomes what does the Democratic Party have to do enough to convince people to trust and vote for them ?
A simple example would be the multiple rigging of the Democratic nominee against Bernie Sanders, while RNC does exactly the same kinds of rigging, DNC tried to make themselves seem holier-than-thou and did the exact same things as the RNC.
Guess why so many voters don’t truly believe in elections and “hate”-vote for Drumpf ???
Have good policies and reasonable expectations while keeping almost as many election campaign promises as possible. RNC delivered on their promises by strutting out strawman shit like “Build-the-Wall” … their real purpose was to defund the support networks for immigrants.
Where is the Dream-Act that guarantees citizenship after Military service ??? If the DNC can’t even do their most basic levels of campaign promises, everything sucks and Drumpf wins.
“Evil triumphs when good men do nothing”
Jon Stewart may get some Republicans to agree to points, but it hasn’t changed the Republican Party. If anything, the party has gotten worse.
And if you are going to bring up Bernie Sanders, Bernie has said good things about Joe Biden and endorsed Joe back in April. Other progressive Democrats have also endorced Biden now.
And if you are going to compare the Dream Act to building a wall, there are different voting procedures in spending money versus other laws. And I can’t expect a party to do everything on their platform; it is historically rare to get perfection.
When you explain policy to Republican voters that includes education spending, healthcare spending, environmental protections, and supporting Veterans, most Republican voters agree that those are all good things, even though they’re the opposite of what Republican policy prescribes.
What I’m trying to say is most people who vote R have no business voting R because they don’t grasp basic political theory.
