I think the public understands just fine. It is just people are indifferent to Biden at this point, and It seems Dems can’t connect to average people. “Hey you’re not struggling, you’re doing great now.” is not a winning message while people can’t afford food and rent. Then you got the media giving infinite Trump coverage.
Trump is in a position where nothing does anything negative towards him. It is crazy he is able to run after all that has happened. The lesser evil and not being Trump is not good enough to reach average people.
“it is crazy he is able to run after all that has happened.”
It’s not that far fetched when you talk to anyone who listens to right wing media or religious channels. I just had the misfortune of getting into a political conversation my grandmother started and she only watches religious t.v and yet she was going on about “it’s so awful what they are putting Trump through, they’re just going after him in the courts because they don’t like him. Biden and all of them are criminals it’s so sad.”
Like for fucks sake the actual fucking criminal going to court, being proven to be a criminal (or at the very least running a fraudulent company), is somehow not a criminal, but the old dude who the right has been attacking forever and can’t find anything that’s real to pin him on is the “real” criminal…
There’s nothing surprising about all the support for Trump because we live in a society without a real functioning press. We live in a society of money hungry immoral assholes who will drive this world into the dirt if it means more money for them and their shareholders, that’s including CNN, MSNBC, ABC, you name it. They’re all guilty of abandoning their responsibility as the press in favor of their “responsibility” to make excessive profits as a corporation via eyeball catching PROPAGANDA.
Seriously. If one more Democrat leans out of his ivory tower to shout down at me to tell me that I’m totally rich and safe now while I’m paying three hundred bucks for a weeks groceries for my family on the same money I made five years ago I’m going to lose my goddamned mind.
What doesn’t make sense to me, is that even though you’re right, I don’t see how that would make someone vote for Trump who already wasn’t going to vote for him.
They aren’t going to vote for Trump, they just aren’t going to vote for Biden, and they aren’t going to tell their friends to vote, and they aren’t going to get out the vote in their communities or drive people to the polls.
Imagine a politically active person last election went to their mosque or temple and made sure that their elders had a ride to the polls and the young people got registered to vote and people understood the issues.
Now imagine that she decides that she isn’t going to put in those efforts for a person that rubber stamps genocide and lies about how poor everyone she knows has gotten.
Not one person in this story voted for Trump, but how many votes did Biden lose?
You need to stop seeing this as a binary problem because that’s exactly why Democrats keep losing against weak unpopular candidates.
The problem isn’t the left deciding to vote for trump. It’s the left fracturing between multiple candidates from (D) and (I) while trump’s people are all on board with him. It’s the exact thing that happened in 2016.
How does one gerrymander the presidential election? To gerrymander requires one redrawing borders to zone out candidates. Where is anybody redrawing state borders?
They want change, but they do not want to change. Many have always dem or rep so they vote out of habbit again and again. They complain about things getting worse and people offering solutions are regected in favor of a ‘solution’ they understand.
I think the main problem for the Democrats are apathy and people not voting at all, rather than people actually voting for Trump. The Trump voters will be the same, but they will actually vote.
I know a half dozen people that worked get out the vote efforts to get Trump out of office who are going to be staying home this year. How many votes do you think that adds up to?
Fortunately we have a year to change their idiot minds. Democracy is on the line. Sitting this one out because we have hurt feelings is not an option. These people clearly don’t understand risk management and assessment.
Not sure why you were downvoted for speaking a truth. I’m not voting Dem because of Biden but might if they get someone else. I am not voting Republican if Trump is chosen. Simple answer is replace them with someone who isn’t them or vote for another party entirely.
Biden is polling so badly since Afghanistan pullout and has never recovered, and that’s been a trend downward since, especially with what’s happening in Palestine. Both him and Trump are historically unlikable opponents. “Unnamed Democrat” pulls double digits higher than Biden in important swing states. If you genuinely support Democrats and want Trump to lose, the best strategy right now is to protest Biden’s role as party leader because the election is his to lose.
I’d like to hear the logic of people downvoting who disagree with this, and how Biden as leader won’t guarantee a Trump victory at this point.
That’s all true of course but this is just polling data I’m referring to. It was during the Afghanistan pullout where Biden’s approval and disapproval inversed. I don’t actually think the Democrats are against the system that causes those other things, but I’m rationalizing the perspective of a Democrat supporter who wants to stop Trump at all costs. From that perspective you wouldn’t want Biden to run against Trump, you’d want another candidate who polls better against Trump in swing states.
I downvoted them because while they’re correct, they are not evaluating the risk of a Trump win correctly. None of this will matter if Trump wins. None of it.
Well said. Dems have had a hard time over the years gaining traction because they are terrible recruiters. Republicans are a bit better because of their ability to make the recruit feel like he is a part of a whole. Replace Biden and Trump would be the smartest thing but they won’t because Dems are out of touch and Republicans are stubborn. Unless the choices change I am voting independent.
As a person Republicans literally plan to persecute for existing, fuck you. You’re either a person who’s safe from the consequences of fascism, or an idiot who thinks they can avoid them. I can only hope you’re in a solid blue state.
Well I’m Hispanic, so your wrong. Also you are why the Dems might lose. Instead of having an articulate conversation and speaking your mind and reason you attack me and then leave. People like you make me want to vote red just to spite you however I am a reasonable adult.
fuck the dems they forever lost my vote when obama failed to pass single payer healthcare with a congressional majority. they will put their corporate donors over the american people just like the republicans the only difference is they fake support for minorities and lgbtq while repubs favor the religious bigots.
I think the public understands just fine. It is just people are indifferent to Biden at this point, and It seems Dems can’t connect to average people. “Hey you’re not struggling, you’re doing great now.” is not a winning message while people can’t afford food and rent. Then you got the media giving infinite Trump coverage.
Trump is in a position where nothing does anything negative towards him. It is crazy he is able to run after all that has happened. The lesser evil and not being Trump is not good enough to reach average people.
“it is crazy he is able to run after all that has happened.”
It’s not that far fetched when you talk to anyone who listens to right wing media or religious channels. I just had the misfortune of getting into a political conversation my grandmother started and she only watches religious t.v and yet she was going on about “it’s so awful what they are putting Trump through, they’re just going after him in the courts because they don’t like him. Biden and all of them are criminals it’s so sad.”
Like for fucks sake the actual fucking criminal going to court, being proven to be a criminal (or at the very least running a fraudulent company), is somehow not a criminal, but the old dude who the right has been attacking forever and can’t find anything that’s real to pin him on is the “real” criminal…
There’s nothing surprising about all the support for Trump because we live in a society without a real functioning press. We live in a society of money hungry immoral assholes who will drive this world into the dirt if it means more money for them and their shareholders, that’s including CNN, MSNBC, ABC, you name it. They’re all guilty of abandoning their responsibility as the press in favor of their “responsibility” to make excessive profits as a corporation via eyeball catching PROPAGANDA.
We are awash in propaganda.
So. Much. This.
Demonstrably false given the last 3 election cycles.
But yet they keep giving that asshole a megaphone and air time. That orange shithead only seems to fail up. I wish he wasn’t anymore.
Seriously. If one more Democrat leans out of his ivory tower to shout down at me to tell me that I’m totally rich and safe now while I’m paying three hundred bucks for a weeks groceries for my family on the same money I made five years ago I’m going to lose my goddamned mind.
What doesn’t make sense to me, is that even though you’re right, I don’t see how that would make someone vote for Trump who already wasn’t going to vote for him.
They aren’t going to vote for Trump, they just aren’t going to vote for Biden, and they aren’t going to tell their friends to vote, and they aren’t going to get out the vote in their communities or drive people to the polls.
Imagine a politically active person last election went to their mosque or temple and made sure that their elders had a ride to the polls and the young people got registered to vote and people understood the issues.
Now imagine that she decides that she isn’t going to put in those efforts for a person that rubber stamps genocide and lies about how poor everyone she knows has gotten.
Not one person in this story voted for Trump, but how many votes did Biden lose?
You need to stop seeing this as a binary problem because that’s exactly why Democrats keep losing against weak unpopular candidates.
The problem isn’t the left deciding to vote for trump. It’s the left fracturing between multiple candidates from (D) and (I) while trump’s people are all on board with him. It’s the exact thing that happened in 2016.
The problem is that, even when Democrats win the popular vote, they still lose the election due to gerrymandering.
Yes The actual problem is they cheat
How does one gerrymander the presidential election? To gerrymander requires one redrawing borders to zone out candidates. Where is anybody redrawing state borders?
This is embarrasing.
They want change, but they do not want to change. Many have always dem or rep so they vote out of habbit again and again. They complain about things getting worse and people offering solutions are regected in favor of a ‘solution’ they understand.
I think the main problem for the Democrats are apathy and people not voting at all, rather than people actually voting for Trump. The Trump voters will be the same, but they will actually vote.
Dems are winning elections and have done so every cycle since 2016
A few more “victories” like that and we’re all going to be in the bread lines.
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Yes that’s what clawing back control from disaster looks like. They haven’t set a legislative agenda since 2009.
Good news is they’re gonna keep winning as long as MAGA persists.
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That’s nonsense. ACA, home mortgage interest deductions, childcare tax credits, SNAP, numerous manufacturing subsidies, etc
but you’ll still vote democrat so they don’t care.
I know a half dozen people that worked get out the vote efforts to get Trump out of office who are going to be staying home this year. How many votes do you think that adds up to?
Fortunately we have a year to change their idiot minds. Democracy is on the line. Sitting this one out because we have hurt feelings is not an option. These people clearly don’t understand risk management and assessment.
Replacing Biden should be top priority for any Democrat if the concern of a Trump victory is this significant.
Not sure why you were downvoted for speaking a truth. I’m not voting Dem because of Biden but might if they get someone else. I am not voting Republican if Trump is chosen. Simple answer is replace them with someone who isn’t them or vote for another party entirely.
Biden is polling so badly since Afghanistan pullout and has never recovered, and that’s been a trend downward since, especially with what’s happening in Palestine. Both him and Trump are historically unlikable opponents. “Unnamed Democrat” pulls double digits higher than Biden in important swing states. If you genuinely support Democrats and want Trump to lose, the best strategy right now is to protest Biden’s role as party leader because the election is his to lose.
I’d like to hear the logic of people downvoting who disagree with this, and how Biden as leader won’t guarantee a Trump victory at this point.
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That’s all true of course but this is just polling data I’m referring to. It was during the Afghanistan pullout where Biden’s approval and disapproval inversed. I don’t actually think the Democrats are against the system that causes those other things, but I’m rationalizing the perspective of a Democrat supporter who wants to stop Trump at all costs. From that perspective you wouldn’t want Biden to run against Trump, you’d want another candidate who polls better against Trump in swing states.
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I appreciate your well thought out response. I agree whole heartily with you.
As a Veteran I felt that my time and suffering from the war was waisted because of the method of the pull out. Many of us feel that way.
I don’t necessarily support Dems after they played Bernie so bad in 2016. However with the right person I will vote for them.
I am an independent in my state so I can vote each way and see all the prospects.
I downvoted them because while they’re correct, they are not evaluating the risk of a Trump win correctly. None of this will matter if Trump wins. None of it.
Well said. Dems have had a hard time over the years gaining traction because they are terrible recruiters. Republicans are a bit better because of their ability to make the recruit feel like he is a part of a whole. Replace Biden and Trump would be the smartest thing but they won’t because Dems are out of touch and Republicans are stubborn. Unless the choices change I am voting independent.
As a person Republicans literally plan to persecute for existing, fuck you. You’re either a person who’s safe from the consequences of fascism, or an idiot who thinks they can avoid them. I can only hope you’re in a solid blue state.
Well I’m Hispanic, so your wrong. Also you are why the Dems might lose. Instead of having an articulate conversation and speaking your mind and reason you attack me and then leave. People like you make me want to vote red just to spite you however I am a reasonable adult.
fuck the dems they forever lost my vote when obama failed to pass single payer healthcare with a congressional majority. they will put their corporate donors over the american people just like the republicans the only difference is they fake support for minorities and lgbtq while repubs favor the religious bigots.