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      Abrams has a habit of creating continuity holes that are so gaping and obscene that if they are taken seriously they ruin franchises both after and even before the continuity holes.

      One example is magic transporter technology in Trek that makes spaceships kind of pointless if it’s applied on a practical scale.

      The other is “why have any kind of weapon except small objects equipped with hyperdrives?”

      EDIT: I forgot, the weaponized hyperdrive thing was Rian Johnson’s doing. Abrams just did “THE DEATH STAR, BUT BIGGER” and with one shot of it (and a flashback of a burning building) basically erased everything that the rebels (and Luke) had won in the previous trilogy.

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        The warp drive seems to be almost instantaneous in the Abrams Star Trek movies, too. In the second one, the Enterprise traveled from Klingon space to the outskirts of Earth in a matter of minutes. In Deep Space Nine, that journey took about ten days.

        At that point you wonder why ships in the JJ-verse even need to have multiple crew shifts and sleeping arrangements, if they can zip to whatever planet they like in the time it takes to cook a Pop Tart.

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            Star Trek was never hard sci-fi, never was.

            Maybe not, but it was always about fairly long journeys of days, weeks, months, even years. Instant travel removes the core of the experience.

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                The more that was emphasized as an actual plot beat, the worse those movies tended to be received. The most fondly remembered ones at least implied a sense of distance and travel time, such as Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country.

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        That one isn’t even on Abrams, that’s all at Johnson’s feet.

        I’m a TLJ apologist but even I got taken out by how well the hyperspace ram worked. It immediately raised so many worldbuilding questions

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        I mean, if you want to treat start wars like it’s hard sci-fi, instead of space opera or space fantasy, then there is plenty of hand wavy pseudo science you can come up with to explain why this worked in this one instance.

        At the end of the day it’s fucking star wars. It’s fun, but it’s slop too. Just stop thinking about it so much.