Ahh yes blame the people who believe in democracy enough to vote their conscience, the smallest percentage of people. And not the cheaters.
Definitely not the bomb threats, the thrown out voter rolls, the mail-in ballots in ditches, the constant redistricting. It’s the tiniest percentage of people who have all the power.
Nevermind the Michigan Data, or the Pennsylvania Data. Or the 30%-40% that sit the fuck out every national election. No it’s that tiny percent.
For the record I voted Harris because I do believe in harm reduction over absolutism, but it’s fucking stupid to blame the third party voters that happen to actually believe in democracy and that you should vote for who you want, not who can win.
Frankly if we as a nation would had voted for a third party or independent candidate sooner, it’s quite possible the either Major Party would have died like the Whigs when the Republican Party came onto the scene.
Just think about it critically instead of continuing that stupid ass dogma that got us here in the first place.
I don’t disagree which is why I’ve never voted Stein. The Green Party has never been a serious third party to me, but seems to get brought up as a strawman at every turn when a blueberry wants to avoid their cognitive dissonance.
National elections are so close these days, any of these things could be the but-for difference maker in any given election. Certainly the large number of non-voters you mention (I’m note sure if any of those election fraud claims are consequential).
But, in this thread, we are responding to one particular group that consistently helps Republicans win, because they’re the ones who posted it, and they’re here in the comments to be argued with!
Except it’s never been their fault. Even in the “best” years third party voters make up less than 5% of the electorate. It’s a lie of statistics to not mention the non-voters. You’re telling me that the third party voters are more at fault than politician whose job is to get elected being unable to steal that percentage from the non voters?
No what does happen instead? What did The Democratic Party do not long before the election? Did they appeal to the Non-Voters? Or did they appeal to “moderate” Republicans? Did they go for the larger percentage, or one that was no doubt slim and taken for?
Like doesn’t it seem silly to blame 5 when 30 is such a larger number? Isn’t it dumb to blame people treating democracy like democracy instead of the politicians that won’t meet the electorate where it matters?
No, what you showed was a lie of statistics. It’s not reality. It’s context less without the Non-voter numbers.
And even if they do, I wonder how many of those non-voters would be third party voters if they hadn’t been told their whole life their choices don’t matter unless they vote for the Evil Candidate or the Rolling Over Candidate?
Once again why isn’t a politicians fault for not meeting the electorate where they’re at? Like Non voters are the clear winner every election purely on the numbers. Have you ever asked yourself why? Ever asked them?
Third party voters and non voters both get republicans elected so I don’t concern myself with a distinction. They’re both in the group of people that clearly don’t understand how the government works, or was supposed to before they let republicans ratfuck it.
Yeah, why bother with understanding when you can just place blame. Then you’ll bitch about how the Democratic Party lost again because they can’t meet the electorate where they’re at.
Revel in your ignorance and stupidity I guess. More worried about placing blame than fixing things like a good little blueberry.
Ahh yes blame the people who believe in democracy enough to vote their conscience, the smallest percentage of people. And not the cheaters.
Definitely not the bomb threats, the thrown out voter rolls, the mail-in ballots in ditches, the constant redistricting. It’s the tiniest percentage of people who have all the power.
Nevermind the Michigan Data, or the Pennsylvania Data. Or the 30%-40% that sit the fuck out every national election. No it’s that tiny percent.
For the record I voted Harris because I do believe in harm reduction over absolutism, but it’s fucking stupid to blame the third party voters that happen to actually believe in democracy and that you should vote for who you want, not who can win.
Frankly if we as a nation would had voted for a third party or independent candidate sooner, it’s quite possible the either Major Party would have died like the Whigs when the Republican Party came onto the scene.
Just think about it critically instead of continuing that stupid ass dogma that got us here in the first place.
Stein was a spoiler and a Russian asset, if voting your conscious meant voting for her your conscious is fuckin stupid.
I don’t disagree which is why I’ve never voted Stein. The Green Party has never been a serious third party to me, but seems to get brought up as a strawman at every turn when a blueberry wants to avoid their cognitive dissonance.
National elections are so close these days, any of these things could be the but-for difference maker in any given election. Certainly the large number of non-voters you mention (I’m note sure if any of those election fraud claims are consequential).
But, in this thread, we are responding to one particular group that consistently helps Republicans win, because they’re the ones who posted it, and they’re here in the comments to be argued with!
Except it’s never been their fault. Even in the “best” years third party voters make up less than 5% of the electorate. It’s a lie of statistics to not mention the non-voters. You’re telling me that the third party voters are more at fault than politician whose job is to get elected being unable to steal that percentage from the non voters?
No what does happen instead? What did The Democratic Party do not long before the election? Did they appeal to the Non-Voters? Or did they appeal to “moderate” Republicans? Did they go for the larger percentage, or one that was no doubt slim and taken for?
Like doesn’t it seem silly to blame 5 when 30 is such a larger number? Isn’t it dumb to blame people treating democracy like democracy instead of the politicians that won’t meet the electorate where it matters?
Blame them all, since they’re all to blame. I’ve already shown how less than 5% is more than enough to give us a decade of Trumpism.
A lot of these “both sides” leftists fall into the 30% non-voter category, rather than the third party voter category, by the way.
No, what you showed was a lie of statistics. It’s not reality. It’s context less without the Non-voter numbers.
And even if they do, I wonder how many of those non-voters would be third party voters if they hadn’t been told their whole life their choices don’t matter unless they vote for the Evil Candidate or the Rolling Over Candidate?
Once again why isn’t a politicians fault for not meeting the electorate where they’re at? Like Non voters are the clear winner every election purely on the numbers. Have you ever asked yourself why? Ever asked them?
I mean, Harris apparently met 75 million voters where they were at. HaVe U eVeR sToPPeD to ask UrSeLF Y??
Lmao, and yet still lost. Guess we wasted our votes.
Third party voters and non voters both get republicans elected so I don’t concern myself with a distinction. They’re both in the group of people that clearly don’t understand how the government works, or was supposed to before they let republicans ratfuck it.
Yeah, why bother with understanding when you can just place blame. Then you’ll bitch about how the Democratic Party lost again because they can’t meet the electorate where they’re at.
Revel in your ignorance and stupidity I guess. More worried about placing blame than fixing things like a good little blueberry.
Behold, the people that clearly don’t understand how the government works.
Behold the people who don’t understand others outside themselves and think they can just bully others into compliance when it doesn’t go their way.
Non voters are still the largest piece of the electorate pie and dwarfs all other factions by comparison. Maybe you should look into why that is.
Because republican and Russian propaganda works and Americans are largely too overworked and stupid to be aware of our own best interests.
You took the time and asked non-voters that? Made a study? Or just pull that reasoning out of your ass because it’s convenient for your argument?
Weird how the DNC buried the after election autopsy. I wonder what it said…