The Israeli army showed a reinforced tunnel beside Al Shifa Hospital in Gaza on Wednesday, complete with a bathroom, kitchen and an air conditioned meeting room that it said had served as a command post for Hamas fighters.
If the person you’ve kept locked in your basement for decades, surviving on nothing but piss and shit, suddenly comes out and start stabbing people, is it really at all useful to characterize them as the “bad guy”?
Sure, stabbing is “bad”, but calling the ensuing violence anything other than the most logical conclusion does nothing but gloss over and erase decades of history and context, and ultimately take the side of Israel.
Hamas isn’t Palestine. Hamas, and groups like it, have their stated, public goal being the complete destruction of Israel, and simply will not negotiate peace. At all. They consider it their religious duty to eradicate Jewish people for existing in the wrong place.
Yes, of course Israel’s actions have made it worse, by giving Hamas oxygen and credibility, but it’s a mischaracterization to treat Hamas as just some random guy Israel kept locked up.
There are no good guys in this conflict, and all involved - except for civilians on both sides - have been terrible to each other for a long time.
lil’ baby bibi has never tried anythign remotely resembling negotiating for peace. Hamas is a terrorist organization. What is the Israeli government’s excuse?
Far be it from me to defend him and his conservative government. Netanyahu has been an unmitigated disaster for Israel and for peace, no question.
Just look at this:
That’s at the groundbreaking ceremony for a new, illegal settlement in the Golan Heights, named after Trump in honor of him supporting Israel’s claim on the territory (and thereby discrediting the United States as a peace broker, unfortunately).
So yeah, I’m well aware that Netanyahu has been terrible.
Israel has admitted, via a former PM, that they built the bunker under the hospital as an expansion to it in the 1980s. Might be why they know exactly where the entrances are.
Another note is that when the “Health Minister” of the Gaza Strip talks, that’s Hamas talking. The government there is Hamas. It’s just as much propaganda as what the Likud party spits out.
Hamas has been the government in the Gaza Strip only since 2007. Its critical to note that Ol’ Netanyahu and his cronies were responsible for enabling that power grab.
They didn’t. Occupied People are uncooperative. Desperate People lash out irrationally. These are simple cause and effect of Human Nature, not an excuse nor any defense.
They didn’t. They put it around “bad guy” because it was casting another person’s placed label, not their own. The quotes are appropriate. It denotes the other person cast the role. It does not denote acceptance nor rejection. It is just a quote.
probably because they support the actions or are so binary in their beliefs that there can’t be two bad guys
If the person you’ve kept locked in your basement for decades, surviving on nothing but piss and shit, suddenly comes out and start stabbing people, is it really at all useful to characterize them as the “bad guy”?
Sure, stabbing is “bad”, but calling the ensuing violence anything other than the most logical conclusion does nothing but gloss over and erase decades of history and context, and ultimately take the side of Israel.
Hamas isn’t Palestine. Hamas, and groups like it, have their stated, public goal being the complete destruction of Israel, and simply will not negotiate peace. At all. They consider it their religious duty to eradicate Jewish people for existing in the wrong place.
Yes, of course Israel’s actions have made it worse, by giving Hamas oxygen and credibility, but it’s a mischaracterization to treat Hamas as just some random guy Israel kept locked up.
There are no good guys in this conflict, and all involved - except for civilians on both sides - have been terrible to each other for a long time.
Palestine at least has the excuse that they haven’t voted for a long time, Israel doesn’t.
lil’ baby bibi has never tried anythign remotely resembling negotiating for peace. Hamas is a terrorist organization. What is the Israeli government’s excuse?
Far be it from me to defend him and his conservative government. Netanyahu has been an unmitigated disaster for Israel and for peace, no question.
Just look at this:
That’s at the groundbreaking ceremony for a new, illegal settlement in the Golan Heights, named after Trump in honor of him supporting Israel’s claim on the territory (and thereby discrediting the United States as a peace broker, unfortunately).
So yeah, I’m well aware that Netanyahu has been terrible.
Hamas isn’t Palestine. But Hamas is the Gaza Strip. They are its government.
To be clear, that doesn’t warrant the eradication that the Israeli military and the Likud party are executing.
decades.
Israel has admitted, via a former PM, that they built the bunker under the hospital as an expansion to it in the 1980s. Might be why they know exactly where the entrances are.
Another note is that when the “Health Minister” of the Gaza Strip talks, that’s Hamas talking. The government there is Hamas. It’s just as much propaganda as what the Likud party spits out.
Hamas has been the government in the Gaza Strip only since 2007. Its critical to note that Ol’ Netanyahu and his cronies were responsible for enabling that power grab.
why are you defending a terrorist attack that killed innocent civilians?
They didn’t. Occupied People are uncooperative. Desperate People lash out irrationally. These are simple cause and effect of Human Nature, not an excuse nor any defense.
Putting quotations around the word bad is hella sus.
They didn’t. They put it around “bad guy” because it was casting another person’s placed label, not their own. The quotes are appropriate. It denotes the other person cast the role. It does not denote acceptance nor rejection. It is just a quote.
Mods disagree it seems