If LLMs used very little RAM and processing power, was light weight even for Mythos or Sol, would people be as opposed? Like no data centers, no memory shortages, like it was able to run on a calculator with the same performance.
LLM the technology is interesting and impressive. the way companies are shoving it into everything and trying to sell it as a replacement for employees is awful. The way the AI companies are behaving is awful.
AI is great! it just needs a little work on the IP theft, the environmental impact, the dopamine addiction, the cornering of the component market, the reliability, the hidden system prompts, the non-determinism, the push to have everything in the cloud, the enshittification, the empowerment of the billionaires, the reduction in user’s cognitive abilities, the lack of real-world use cases, the reliability, the spying on humans intimate thoughts, the overblown marketing, the bubble impact on the world economy, and the reliability. Other than that, it’s just fine! Trust me, bro!
It’s great! Except for the several teen suicides
The same can be said about LITERALLY every technology ever made. Everything you listed is real, problems that need to be addressed, and the companies responsible for exacerbating them held accountable.
A technologies worst implementations are not representative of its usefulness.
Unless you want to ban the entire field of biology as well for the atrocities committed associated with it.
Yeah transformer models are cool.
But you cannot separate the industry from the tech in this case. The reason it’s so bad is because it’s being misused and it’s everywhere, even where it shouldn’t be.
No, that’s not true. Universities have been making their own models. Private individuals have been making their own models. The most famous ones are, of course, purely corporate. But claiming that the tech is inseparable from the corporation is demonstrably incorrect.
Evo 2 was recently used in a revolutionary antibiotic research paper, which is entirely open source and trained and public data. Is that also corporate?
No because dead internet theory and it literally makes humans dumber.
Lower reading comprehension. Less able to write or even explain something.
Lower attention.
Lower proficiency in just about anything ai can do. Lower critical thinking.
There is a ton of research on this.
Ai also tells people they are always right and gives them bad advice. Sometimes fatal advice.
I think you are jumping to conclusions. Many of these things started happening before AI. This shit has been happening far longer than the past few 2-3 years.
Reading proficiency and critical thinking started their decline when tech was introduced in the classroom.
Now the constant affirmation of one’s thoughts and essentially echo chamber I can’t dispute.
Don’t get me wrong. I dislike AI and it’s proliferation into the world as much as the next person, but we can’t blame it on our societies failing schools or rather lack of true learning.
I’m not saying it’s all new problems.
Yeah you make a good point. Tech in the classrooms started the decline. Not to mention covid caused higher reliance on that tech.
And then primary schools have 1 teacher for 30 kids.
And they no longer hold kids back. Everyone passes rather they should or shouldn’t.
When I was a kid, the social shame of being held back was a strong motivator. Not just for the kid but the parents to put in more time making sure the kid caught up.
And then even after I finished, I heard that mandatory summer school was being used to get kids caught up.
But idk how common that is around the country.
But to come back to AI. There is a lot of research showing using llms literally reduces reading comprehension and critical thinking even in a short time of 1 semester.
Fair point. People don’t have to put in nearly as much effort to convey their point if they can use AI and say clean this up, make it more intelligible, etc.
The problem is it’s designed to bullshit you. Why would I trust a foundational problem?
My buddy works for the government in contracts and he’s mid level. Anyways he has like 5 people directly under him, and they’re younger, were low 40s they’re like upper 20s. He said sometimes he gets things written for multimillion dollar contracts that are fucking crazy because they use AI sometimes. He’s like “I don’t care if you do, but for the love of God read it once or twice”.
It’s also designed to eliminate your job and leave you for dead.
Yeah except the parasitic sociopathic class is already trying to find ways of getting rid of most of us from the for profit margins. Every employee takes money from the profit.
Yes, because of the way its used, the way its presented, and how bad it is.
Different people would hate it for different reasons tho
The most common use for AI seems to be Nazi/Fascist/Republican propaganda. Basically anywhere you go is an endless number of bots pushing to defend neo-nazis, tell people that Trump totally isnt a pedophile, make posts about “If he had just complied he would have lived” etc etc etc.
The subset of people who recognize this, would hate AI because its really only good as a propaganda mill.
The next set would be because of the way its being pushed to replace workers, AI doesnt actually make the remaining workers jobs easier, and it doesnt do work more efficiently, its just another excuse to cut headcounts, make a shittier service and charge more for it.
Finally is because its A) Very often wrong and B) Being used to replace actual critical thinking.
Its a growing problem, especially in academia. Students are coming into college or high school with absolutely no idea how to do actual research, how to write a paper in a logical way, how to follow basic logic chains etc. And there is so much bad information being produced by AI now that its becoming harder and harder to find actual good information. For every doctor telling you to vaccinate kids, there are a dozen AI driven videos that have some person being confidently wrong about everything to do with vaccines.
Are there still students who didnt cheat their way through high school with AI? yes.
But they are becoming more and more rare.
And given how wrong AI usually is (AI is very good at being confidently wrong), this means that we have a whole generation growing up who cant tell the difference between “Measles can kill you if you dont get vaccinated” and “Shooting gay people is a fun weekend activity”
It would probably be hated even more as all of those points would be magnitudes higher in volume than they are today. It’s what is wanted by corporations, a cheap surveillance tool that closely monitors everyone to keep everyone in line. There are multiple dimensions to this issue. I think AI should have stayed in R&D for a while longer. It is so half baked, but unfortunately trusted as an “expert” by people who may not be familiar with hunting down primary trustworthy sources. Though that last point is nothing new. I think it should have never been used for things like scanning private/personal files or to accuse people of crimes they didn’t commit. These companies are buying their own bullshit and are trusting/betting on AI to reduce the most costly component of their company, the labor force. It’s all just smoke and mirrors though, always has been. It’s not like these things are gods among us, but they are sold that way. In the end, not matter what, with the current state of AI or if they were cheaper to use computationally, the bubble will burst. At least when that happens, maybe some of the left overs can be repurposed for actual useful things for society, but I don’t have my hopes up at the moment.
There are 3 reasons people hate AI right now:
- Being used poorly and mostly resulting in slop, or malicious/unethical/deadly uses, and psychosis
- Being forced down the public’s throat and put into places where it adds no value, job losses, quality drops, plagiarism
- Datacenter/environmental concerns, part prices
So switching to local AI fixes problem 3 (mostly). But we also need the hype bubble to pop so number 2 goes away. Unfortunately the first problem will be hardest to fix and right now requires the public backlash as new norms are being formed and bad actors need to be called out.
That said, I think we’re about 1 to 3 years away from the bubble popping and everything starting to balance out to where AI is treated more like just a tool rather than a genie in a box. The hype will fade out and one or two of the big players will die, but at this point I don’t think generative AI use is going away
Any good thing is ruined once it’s co-opted by capitalism.
AI and LLMs (In my very very personal and completely subjective opinion) is the coolest shit humanity has ever invented and under the right system would’ve been unanimously celebrated.
But noooooooo, capitalism had to go and fucking turn a miraculous tool for human creativity and knowledge into a relentless driver of layoffs, corporate slop and copyright theft because some greedy fucks want more money for themselves than they know what to do with.
But, well, that’s just, like, my opinion, man.The resources used are but one of the problems with the modern uses of AI. Others include:
- Copyright and privacy. AI companies use copyrighted content and private data to train their models. Many companies have terms or user agreements that give them permission to use or sell any data on their systems. They collect data where they can, without regard for ownership, copyright or privacy.
- Fakes. We cannot trust what we see or read. Of course fake news and misinformation has been a problem for years, but genAI has turbocharged it, and now even video is becoming unreliable. We cannot trust anything anymore. Even appreciation of real art suffers because artists get accused of using AI even when it was hand made. Although the impact on politics is the biggest threat.
- Companies force employees to use it, even when employees don’t want it and it hurts the quality of their work. AI is often used as an excuse to fire people.
- The AI bubble dominates the economy. This cannot end well.
There are also legitimate and useful ways to use AI, and many of them could be very valuable, but that’s not what the industry or society is focusing on right now.
AI would probably be more acceptable if all of these issues were addressed.
The trouble is that intellectual property laws are so far behind technology that there’s basically no way to implement this technology without fucking over the creators of IP.
I don’t understand why so many of the top comments omit this part
At work (big tech, ~100k employees) we had a panel about IP and AI. The guy presenting unironically said something along the lines of “it is of course a concern, but frankly it is something we will just ignore for now and see how the technology develops”
I took that as "we do not give a fuck if it creates AGI, and if it crashes and burns it will be the bankrupcy lawyer’s problem.
so, yea, most people do not care
Where I think the bulk of the hate comes from is less the tech, but more the political and business elite pushing this tech.
These people are going full mask off trying to delete those they deem the lower class, so much so they are blinded in how much they require people outside the LLMs to maintain society.
LLMs as they are now, are basically the Golden Calf scenario all over again; it is ungrateful people build a statue to claim superiority and mock that which put them in good places.
This song says it perfectly:
We made AI so we could do the fun stuff
While it could do the dumb stuff
But now it does the fun stuff
And we’ve become the dumb stuffIt’s taking all the interesting and fun creative work, leaving people to make sure all the t’s are crossed and the i’s are dotted.
Qwen 3.6 27B has similar capabilities to Claude Sonnet 4.6 for coding, but uses about as much power for inference as playing a game on the gaming PC running it, compared to Sonnet that probably runs on like 8 B200s in a data center. If people were mostly just running open weight models on gaming PCs with no tech bros involved, I don’t think we’d be seeing the same level of outrage.
There would still be many questions around ethical training and output reliability (depending on the task being asked), but yeah the major problem is that they’re using it to steal our natural and electronic resources and sell them back to us for something we don’t really need, that doesn’t really do what they’re convincing normies it does. The problem is that if you don’t understand what it’s actually doing, it appears very impressive.
In other words, it hits real hard if you’re stupid
I would still hate it for being jammed into everythibg it doesn’t need to be and being a shittier version of searches that used to work and being completely unreliable.
So slightly less.
It would still be anti-labor and a force multiplier for confident stupidity.
Absolutely not, I hope.
The impact on the minds and the constant push for the thing for all the wrong reasons are enough for me to keep hating it.
And they always add it to everything, even where is not needed/wanted. It is a cool tech marketed and implemented in a bad way.
The question has already been asked yesterday. It makes people lazy and stupid, that’s my main issue.
And it makes people who were already stupid think they’re smart.
Nothing quite like arguing against a second-hand LLM conversation in your area of expertise, being proxied by someone who doesn’t understand what either you, or it are saying.
