It’s a satire account btw

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    Hong Kong protesters started using camouflage to stay anonymous after police started using facial recognition camera’s: it turns out, it is only useful if you can also hide your camouflage. They needed to be able to blend in to avoid being caught. The idea seems great, but even if this would be done for real it would not be good enough unfortunately.

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        Once heard a cop telling a story of the most petty criminal they apprehended.

        A school teacher with no criminal record decide to break into a random gardening store in the middle of the night.

        Was unable to find money, and then decided to steal sacks of potting dirt…

        Got caught on the home after passing the cop on patrol. They didn’t know about the theft but the guy had covered his license plate…

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      19 days ago

      Apparently clown makeup, specifically Juggalo makeup, used to be good at confusing facial recognition.

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      Benn Jordan did this with license plate readers. The stickers were invisible to casual observation, but the cameras couldn’t reliably decode anything from them.

      I think it used bits of IR vinyl.

      Is IR reflective makeup a thing?

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      19 days ago

      its probably possible to have inconspicuous patterns that get interpreted in same way as clear picture

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      Jup, people need to read up on adversarial training. I’ve seen examples of lightly sprinkled noise over pictures that completely breaks any object recognition and you wouldn’t see any difference in the picture with a human eye.

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      17 days ago

      What’s is your point about HK? Why always point directly at China? What about the Gestapo you call ICE with their face masks? What about flock cameras in the US being used to track ex wives or girlfriends?

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    Don’t do this to your vehicles. A) it doesn’t fucking work. B) It’s meant to trick you into making yourself an easily identifiable target for law enforcement.

    The best thing you can do is avoid the cameras when possible and make your car as bland as possible (no stickers, no identifying features). These systems suck, lean into that fact. Also a little “accidental” splattered mud on the license plate doesn’t hurt either. Not enough to prevent a person from reading it, but just enough to break the AIs brain.

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        It doesn’t break the camera like the post suggests, however. It just prevents them from registering it as a vehicle.

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        Which is cool, but also the cameras aren’t exactly inconspicuous. You can easily see them well before you’re in bluetooth range. Or just check deflock.

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      Plates that can’t be read by software gets sorted for human input, splattering it doesnt help unless its completely unreadable.

      Get an electromagnet and put behind your plates instead with a fake leaf that disappears anytime you get pulled over

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        Knowing that the state that submits the image for human review is that the system must automatically (1) identify a car (2) whose license plate can’t be automatically read, the more productive trickery would be to defeat the “identify a car” part where the software doesn’t even know that a car drive within its field of view, and therefore doesn’t know to take a still frame and forward it to a human.

        Alternatively, have the software automatically read a license plate incorrectly so that it doesn’t trigger human review but is instead confidently incorrect in what it did log to the records.

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      Pretty sure flock collects a ton of data that is fed to ML algorithms such that even with a partial plate they can cross reference make/model/location/color/previous tracks to identify whose car it is or at least identify it as unique from every other vehicle.

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        Also bluetooth signals from your phone, likely also from your car…

        The point is trying to trick the cameras is a fun exercise, but realistically we just need our representatives to represent us, which they’ve proven over the years to be entirely uninterested in doing

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    This will not work. AI-enabled surveillance cameras are more than capable of determining that it’s a wrap on a car, rather than multiple cars all somehow moving in the exact same direction in the exact same area while all facing in incorrect directions relative to the camera.

    If anything, it’s just another data point, because Flock cameras also catalog details about your vehicle like stickers, color, wraps, graffiti, dents, etc.

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        18 days ago

        Some patterns can. This one won’t.

        Adversarial patterns/noise can confuse cameras, but that’s usually done not by tricking it into thinking, for example, that this one van is actually a hundred mini vans crammed into the same space, but by tricking it into thinking there’s not a car there because the pattern just confuses it and it recognizes it as any random sequence of random objects and things simultaneously.

        Just slapping a bunch of car photos won’t make it think it’s a car, because the little photos are tiny, don’t move like a car, are still visually distinct from the background, and are on a much larger car-shaped object. If your car has patterns that makes it look like the general concept of an asphalt road, road signs, lamp posts, etc, then it might be enough to confuse the camera into thinking the odd blob shapes are something else, because cars on the road are also always passing on top, in front of, and by asphalt, road signs, lamp posts, etc.

        The cameras don’t have depth perception, so if your car looks close enough to the road and objects around it, it’ll blend right in, to the camera.

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    Wonder if covering in a design that looks like you are covered in plates would do anything. Like blurred rectangles that sorta look like a particular states plate and then random numbers. Is it illegal to cover your car in numbers?

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    No way that Flock cameras have good enough resolution to be able to tell that those are pictures of cars. Not even close.

  • Wren@lemmy.today
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    The car version of the ahegao hoodies we all wear to fool facial recognition.

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    It’s great to see little Bobby Tables’ car wrap business taking off. I need to make an appointment!

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    Yeah, I was about to say, there’s no Monocacy County in Maryland :)

  • ShutUpWesley@piefed.zip
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    As silly as this is, with access to the exact model flock uses for vehicle recognition, it might be possible to design a camouflage paint job that confuses the classification pipeline