• tetris11@feddit.uk
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    2 days ago

    Why though, people have places to go and public transport might not be available to them. You’re punishing people for their lack of choices

    • Waffelmeister@lemmy.world
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      1 day ago

      Nah, you got it all wrong. I don’t punish them, I do them a favor. They mabe don’t know it, but it’s good for them if they stop occasionally.

      On the other hand, they punish me, every day of every week. They punish me with pollution and noise and concrete and traffic accidents and oil consumption and heat radiation.

      • horsesaysweird@feddit.org
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        1 day ago

        Deciding what is good for random strangers and then forcing them to enjoy whatever it is you came up with doesn’t sound like very good idea.

        And how is this helping your situation? Breaking and accelerating increases noise and pollution. If cars have to spend more time on the street instead of being at their destination, they either need more road space or they spend more time in traffic jams that, again, increase noise and pollution. Cars are the least likely to be involved in accidents when they are cruising, so you are also making your city less safe.

        Just to be clear: I’m absolutely in favour of banning cars in cities, but you are making the already bad situation worse for everyone.

        • Waffelmeister@lemmy.world
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          1 day ago

          Yeah, I guess I’m a litte bit accelerationist(1) with my take here. But the situation will not change if drivers have it more comfortable.

          There is so much violence in driving a car, and you argue against me because I make them stop for 20 seconds. (Inner)Cities should not be build for cruising. They should be build for pedestrians. If you want to cruise, drive on the Autobahn or some Umfahrungsstraße.

          Spoiler

          (1) DuckDuckGo translated accelerationist with beschlagnaderungsorientiert. Since you german speaking I thought you might enjoy this.

          • horsesaysweird@feddit.org
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            1 day ago

            You misunderstand me. I agree that being a pedestrian or cyclist should be more convenient and safer, and I don’t care if that means car drivers are inconvenienced by whatever it is that needs to be done to achieve that goal.

            But you are inconveniencing car drivers while also making the situation worse for pedestrians, cyclists and everyone else. What you are doing has no positive effects for anyone, except maybe you feeling righteous for a moment.

            Spoiler

            “beschlagnaderungsorientiert” sounds like a dangerous words from the funniest joke in the world.

        • Swemg@lemmy.world
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          1 day ago

          Are drivers not deciding and then forcing people to “enjoy” their cars ? ^^

          • horsesaysweird@feddit.org
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            1 day ago

            No, they don’t drive their cars because they think it’s good for you, they drive them because they think it’s good for them.

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              Depends on the context I think, if you use even though you don’t need to then it’s a choice for you and people around you

              • horsesaysweird@feddit.org
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                1 day ago

                But you are still driving your car because it benefits you. Nobody thinks they are helping others by driving through a busy city center.

        • 0x0@lemmy.zip
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          Deciding what is good for random strangers and then forcing them to enjoy whatever it is you came up with doesn’t sound like very good idea.

          The birth of an authoritarian.