President Joe Biden said Tuesday Israel’s prime minister needs to change his hardline government and support for the country’s military campaign is waning amid heavy bombardment of Gaza.

President Joe Biden said Tuesday Israel’s prime minister needs to change his hardline government and support for the country’s military campaign is waning amid heavy bombardment of Gaza. … “This is the most conservative government in Israel’s history,” Biden said, adding that the Israeli government “doesn’t want a two-state solution.”

It’s mind-blowing how thoroughly Netanyahu has bungled this. They had damn near the entire world in full support after Hamas’ horrific attack on Israeli civilians, and they’ve managed to lose it.

  • samokosik@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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    7 months ago

    Yes because israel is not committing genocide. Simply by the numbers of deaths it does not fit.

        • Olgratin_MagmatoeEnglish
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          7 months ago

          How many Palestinian civilians have been killed?

          How many bombs have been intentionally dropped on civilians?

          • samokosik@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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            7 months ago

            Which exact escalation are you talking about? If about this one, it’s probably more than 20k. What does it prove though?

            Judging which bomb is purposefully thrown on civilians is impossible.

            • Olgratin_MagmatoeEnglish
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              7 months ago

              it’s probably more than 20k. What does it prove though?

              See above definition on genocide. If thousands of dead Palestinian civilians (~50% of whom are children) isn’t enough to be labeled as genocide then the definition you are using is a bad one.

              Judging which bomb is purposefully thrown on civilians is impossible.

              Are you saying that when Israel bombed the Jabalia refugee camp, they were not intentionally killing civilians?

              https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/18/israeli-airstrikes-kill-80-in-palestinian-refugee-camp

              • samokosik@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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                7 months ago

                Most of those deaths happen due to the lack shelters and lack of places where people can hide. If Israel wanted to genocide Palestinians, they would have done it in a week. Obviously you will have more civilians killed in a crowded city area than somewhere in a field. Also, they would not have to be dead if Hamas didn’t start this.

                Regarding the refugee camp: it’s more of an approach where they no longer try as much to limit civilian causalities as much as possible. There was also one of the main Hamas commanders in that camp.

                • Olgratin_MagmatoeEnglish
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                  7 months ago

                  Most of those deaths happen due to the lack shelters and lack of places where people can hide.

                  …and the bombs landing on their heads.

                  If Israel wanted to genocide Palestinians, they would have done it in a week.

                  Not all genocides are done with equal fervor.

                  Also, they would not have to be dead if Hamas didn’t start this.

                  This was started in 1948 when Palestinians were forced from their homes. Playing a game of “who started it” doesn’t justify anything.

                  it’s more of an approach where they no longer try as much to limit civilian causalities as much as possible.

                  Yeah… almost like they are totally OK with killing civilians (genocide).

                  • samokosik@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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                    7 months ago

                    Of course there are bombs falling on Gaza when they organize a terrorist attack. Literally everyone was expecting this type of response. How should Israel respond? I get that there are unused ways of minimizing civilian deaths but every response would be quite dramatic.

                    I agree that genocides have different flavors but the results of all is a completely or partially removed ethnicity. By saying partially, I mean roughly 40% killed or moved to a detention facility.

                    And I also agree this started in 1948 but rather when Israel declared its own independence and all Arab countries attacked it. Arab countries lost and the exodus was a direct result of it.

                    You know, it’s the same with almost every escalation. Arab countries (or now Palestine, respectively Hamas) attack Israel, they lose and then they cry that Israel is bad to them.