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There must have been a tragic and bizarre set of circumstances to lead to this. The IDF has assured us that they’re taking great measures to avoid civilian casualties, and their actions are fully legal and justified. Those hostages must have escaped and taken up arms and attacked the Israeli soldiers by mistake, because otherwise they couldn’t possibly have been mistaken for combatants. I’m just flabbergasted, no one could have foreseen something like this happening. It’s really shocking.
I read the first part of this comment… then I read the second. 🥇
Israel’s global narrative be like:
✅ Collateral damage:
- most hospitals non-functional
- 18,000+ dead
- bakeries can’t make food
- infants dead in incubators
- patients forced to “evacuate” under gunfire
- dying of preventable diseases
- 10k people missing/dead and still under rubble
- hundreds held and stripped, others detained in an “unknown location”
- journalists, UN workers, doctors dead while on duty or while sheltering with their families
😥 Tragedy:
- 3 Israeli hostages killed “by mistake” despite having civilian clothes on and being unarmed
Disclaimer: yes, of course, it’s a tragedy, but also proof that the IDF targets anything that moves.
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“Look what you made us do.”
Which actually is true. You should spend your time condemning the terrorist elected government of Gaza, Hamas needs to be eradicated.
how dare the prisoners of a concentration camp strike back at their guards! for shame!
Your apology for terrorists and war crimes of the elected government of Gaza says everything.
your apology for terrorists and war crimes and settler colonialism and genocide by the elected government of Israel says everything
As much as I disagree with the comment you’re responding to, this is such a bullshit characterization of Hamas’ initial and grotesque slaughter of random Israeli civilians. That behavior is never justified.
So a distinction needs to be made here:
Hamas soldiers committed a number of unforgiveable atrocities on October 7th. That said, the attack itself was against military targets for clear military and political goals, and until we get evidence to the contrary didn’t include orders to intentionally kill civilians. Again, not defending anyone who committed atrocities during or after the attack, but the idea that the 1200 were all mercilessly killed by Hamas is Israeli propaganda. 30% were IDF personnel, and out of the other 70% some died to reckless IDF fire (remember the helicopter that opened fire on the festival?), some died in the crossfire, and some were actually killed by the IDF to take out Hamas soldier who were taking them hostage.
That is to say, October 7th wasn’t simply grotesque slaughter of random Israeli civilians, and we don’t have evidence Hamas leadership gave any orders for that.
Why are 18k people “collateral damage” but those three are “a tragedy”? Please explain.
Eliminate Likud and the IDF while we’re at it. Eliminate all terrorists from the area.
I’m with you, I hate the Likud party, and Hamas is the reason Bibi and them are in power. If you don’t understand that, just do a little historical research.
And blanket stating that the IDF is terrorists is ridiculous. I know it’s hip and trendy right now to say, but that doesn’t make it true.
I think you have it backwards. Bibi is the reason Hamas is in power.
Maybe there’s some truth to it the way you said it, but this is literally objective reality. He directly supported Hamas.
There wouldn’t even be a Bibi without them. He would have lost, and Perez would have moved forward with two states and Arafat (who Hamas would have also had a harder time removing).
The bottom line is I think we can agree they’re bedfellows, yeah? Hamas has been trying to make this conflict happen their entire existence. They want maximum Palestian casualties in the hopes of expanding the war to more nations than just their allies like Quatar, Iran, and the Houthis.
Never look to me to defend Bibi and the Likud. Many war criminals there I’d like to see taken to the Hague.
Hamas has been trying to make this conflict happen their entire existence
Hamas wouldn’t exist without the atrocities of Israel and the IOF – Hamas was created afterwards (long afterwards)
At this point, what is the difference between Hamas and the IDF? The only difference is the amount of weapons and money behind the 2 groups.
It’s not just the hip thing to say. The IDF is a genocidal tool of the Israeli state terrorizing the Palestinian people.
The difference is Hamas ALWAYS has and openly targets civilians. The IDF is trying to minimize them in one of the densest urban war theaters ever (chosen by and forced by Hamas who is co-locating and using it as a shield).
You don’t seem to understand the civilian casualties that would occur if the IDF were intentionally seeking to target civilians. You’d be looking at hundreds of thousands or even millions. And you would NOT risk your troops on the ground with that plan. They have the ability to end this with no troops on the ground, but not while minimizing casualties.
I’m sure the 18,000+ dead civilians appreciate the fact that they weren’t openly trying to be killed. I’m sure the thousands of civilians in detention without charges are also glad to hear that the IDF isn’t doing all this out in the open.
Israel is a genocidal state terrorizing the Palestinian people. It must be broken.
You diminish the term genocide when you misuse it. And yes, Hamas murdering 18,000 civilians by using them as shields and intentionally trying to force as many civilian casualties as possible is horrific. It’s part of why I support hunting them all down and killing them.
(difference is Hamas was founded 40 years later)
You mean the tyrannical pseudo-government that does not allow dissent? The one whose majority of citizens not only did not vote, but never had the opportunity to vote?
Oh, here is riverELECTEDmonster again
Always remember that when this person says Hamas, they mean everyone, like the Minister of Education, the telecommunication company, or that teenage girl volunteering at her government-run school.
You think that Hamas would let girls work in education?
What leads you to believe that? 🤔
EDIT: I think the statement is so absurd, that I had to come back and add an edit. I watch lots of AlJazeera and BBC, they constantly show women working in hospitals or the government.
This lady for example, just from one video I’m watching just now :/ or like the thousands of others… Do you think women don’t take jobs in Gaza? Is that what you’re saying?
I mean at least if you’re going to make claims like that, pick ones that aren’t readily verifiable by simply watching the news.
Or what about this other lady who was their spokesman 10 years ago? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/07/yorkshire-educated-woman-female-hamas-spokesperson
Yeah attacking refugee camps, hospitals and private residences will ensure peace for sure.
/s
The number of future terrorists will only increase in numbers because people will have destroyed homes and murdered innocent brothers and fathers to avenge.
FYI: Most people there just make due with what they have and do not even support Hamas.
The number of future terrorists will only increase in numbers because people will have destroyed homes and murdered innocent brothers and fathers to avenge.
Which is exactly why Bibi funded Hamas. Nationalism is a cancer, no matter where it is.
What about the other potentially tens of thousands “mistakenly” killed civilians or are we pretending that only those three were mistaken?
Lol you are really just a big ol piece a shit aren’t you? Why don’t you look up the percentage of Gazans who were even alive during the last election? We’ll wait.
The IDF are the biggest monsters in this conflict. They are responsible for these deaths and the vast majority of those in the conflict. Don’t like it? Just stick your fingers in your ears and deny reality some more. It’ll be fine I’m sure. Try not to listen to the screaming of the innocent. And for the love of god don’t Google “UN genocide convention”
I see no difference between Hamas and Israel, so you can go on and eradicate both if that’s your solution.
Why can’t both be wrong? Neither deserves the land. I’m at the point where I’m starting to think everyone should be removed from the area of Israel and Gaza, etc. and it be declared a world heritage site with a visitor center and museum by each of the three Abrahamic religions/cultures and nobody allowed to actually live there. Everyone gets their holy land visitation and nobody owns it. The states there were artificially created, and they can be removed
three Abrahamic religions
so nothing for Yezidis, Zoroastrians, or any other pre-Abrahamic religions?
An initial IDF probe into the hostage killing incident suggests all three men were shirtless, with one carrying a makeshift white flag.
On seeing them, one Israeli soldier shouted “terrorists!” to the other forces, initiating fire at the men, according to reports.
While two hostages were hit immediately and fell to the ground, the third managed to escape into a nearby building where despite pleas in Hebrew, he was also shot and killed, a military official said.
Hey man, questions are anti-semetic. Until Israel kills six million and one people, try to be respectful.
Basically they killed them because they shot at any civilians.
We accidentally pursued and hunted the third guy to death. Whoopsiedaisy.
By mistake?
I do love how quickly that episode has been memed.
And the dance number. Got to love a villain that’s having fun with it.
Well, a fictional villain that has fun with their villainy. The real world examples are much less fun.
What is it?
Doctor Who “The Giggle”. Its the third (and final) episode of the 60th anniversary special. It aired last week.
Cheers. I watched the Ecclestone season but never continued, getting back on that shortly…
It happens. I guess it’s good they admitted it instead of just saying Hamas killed them? If only in the thousands of years humans have been alive we could found a way to resolve conflict without killing.
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- IDF shot unarmed civilians waving white flag
- target was unarmed and not returning fire yet IDF killed just 2 of 3 at first try
- IDF was scared
- IDF didn’t follow orders
Great army /s
Or they DID follow orders…
It’s just they turned out to be hostages instead of random palestinian civilians…
Yeah, this trumps all the recent intense propaganda about the IDF being professional and meticulous.
Previously another 3 hostages were “found dead” and I’m now really wondering if they killed those too
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Biden can you support Isreal to defend itself against the IDF by not giving them anymore money or guns…
oops hehe sorry guys
The mistake part was they were the wrong hostages
