For a change from people asking who is your favorite vegan celebrity or person you didn’t expect to be vegan or whatnot, I thought it would be interesting to see who is our least favorite vegan.
I know, vegans are usually good people (even outside of their veganism, that is), though not all of course, and we need to be able to admit that not all vegans are perfect, and be resistant against the association fallacy, which this is a test for. What is that?
In this context, association fallacy is assuming that because someone (or a sub-group within a group) shares something in common with a group of people, that group of people must automatically be similar to that person (or sub-group) in other ways. For example, Aileen Wuornos was a feminist, and a serial killer. Does that mean feminists are violent? Of course not.
The typical example of this fallacy is actually relevant but based on misinformation, which is that vegans are evil because Hitler was a vegetarian (not even vegan). This type of Hitler argument has become so common that it’s known as its own class of association fallacy called ad Hitlerum. Well, apparently he wasn’t actually even vegetarian, and it was a PR tactic deployed by Goebbels to make him appear peaceful, but even if he was, that’s not evidence that vegans inherently share any qualities with Hitler.
A common relevant example that vegans come up against is, some vegans are X, or Y or Z (don’t want to inflame people but I’m referring to different controversial political views that some vegans hold, even though they’re in the minority of vegans), and therefore all vegans are X/Y/Z. I hope we can see how this is illogical.
By the way, answering this question with “all of them” is acceptable (though it misses the point) but completely expected, which makes it less funny. I’m interested to know of a particular well-known person who is vegan but who you also don’t rate for one reason or another. And being “preachy” abour veganism I’m not counting as a reason because being outspoken about animal rights or the environment isn’t a negative quality, and shouldn’t be viewed as one. That said, name your target.
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If Joel tries to tell me his black bean burgers “are better than Impossible” one more time I’m gonna put oysters in his nose.
Ya don’t salt em, Joel! Ya use canned beans and they’re too wet, JOEL!!
YOU NEED TO ADD PEPPERS AND SPICES JOEL FOR FUCK’S SAKE JOEL, YOU’VE BEEN A VEGAN FOR FIFTEEN YEARS I CAN GET A BETTER BLACK BEAN BURGER AT LUCKY’S GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER! FUCK!
Some people are vegan because they care about animals. Some people are vegan because they lack taste buds. They are not the same.
I can’t stop laughing. The anger here is so universal, even if I’ve never tried Joel’s burger, I hate that it sucks so bad!
Niko Rittenau: German parascientific ‘nutrition counsultant’ that happens to have one of the biggest German language YouTube channels about vegan nutrition AND owns/has weird ties to a supplement distributor. Recently told his subscribers that vegans either have to eat meat or buy supplements from this specific company (he doesn’t really disclose his ties to the company and the subsequent conflict of interest) in order to be healthy, based on a non-peer reviewed study he did, where many actual nutrition scientist pointed out mistakes and the non-disclosed conflict of interest.
Wasn’t this the same guy who spread some whackjob conspiracy theories about covid and the vaccines?
Hildmann, yes.
John Joseph McGowan. Frontman of legendary hardcore band Cro-Mags, known anti-vaccer and all-around asshole who thinks that all Democrats are Communists.
Celebrity? Most of them, as they claim to be vegan but are not. Even Phoenix rode horses for Napoleon. Eilish claims to be vegan but bashes activists for being outspoken, like you said.
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It’s not a matter of “many” but literally the definition of the organization that coined the term. It’s the first thing that will pop up if you search for “veganism definition” with personalized results turned off. That said, most celebs who claim to be vegan aren’t vegan even by the “dietary” definition. Ariana Grande was eating non-vegan donuts while claiming to be vegan, Jared Leto eventually called himself a “cheagan”, and so forth.
Fair enough. I don’t keep up with celebrities but I see people gatekeeping the definition frequently so I wanted to mention it. People who aren’t vegans definitely shouldn’t say otherwise regardless.
what is unvegan about riding a horse?
Everything, per the definition: “Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals […]”
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Morrissey comes to mind first.
Myself. I am the worst because I still cannot find suitable replacements for my 40 years of bad habits and occasionally give in to the temptations.
Derek.
Why was my reply removed…it did not break any rules.
Your reply wasn’t removed.
I can only assume it is not showing because the parent comment you replied to was removed for rule breaches.
Every Nazi Eco fascist
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Equally annoying are the folks that come in and go, “heh, gonna throw a few extra on the grill tonight to cancel out your effort”
Its so abrasive for no reason. Vegans / vegetarians are making a virtuous decision to not add to animal suffering.
Normally when we see something that makes us, even subconsciously, question ourselves our natural reaction is to get defensive. Someone less sensitive might say: hey, not ready for that myself but good on you. This of course goes both ways…the hyper aggressive vegan is absolutely annoying, but again, you need to view it from their perspective. The world does contribute to a shit load of unnecessary animal abuse and suffering. The meme vegan person is just an expression of that frustration.
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I chose that word deliberately. Do we not aim to be virtuous when possible? Wtf do I care if someone, who can’t look around and see the harm we are causing, feels condescended. Someone who can’t see past their own nose takes no space in my head.
Now I’m not talking about people who are unaware or who have no other realistic choices right now. They should be reached with some empathy and not forced to feel less than for dietary choices or availability, but forgive me for not giving a shit about the POS first described in my post.
Rule 2: Being outspoken about animal rights or the environment isn’t a negative quality.
I should clarify I’m mostly asking about a specific well-known vegan and something negative about them unrelated to their veganism.
I’ll start; Ricky Gervais is kind of a douchebag/bully. Yes, he’s vegan.
Okay, not the best example. He’s alright. I couldn’t think of any but I was demonstrating the gist of the question.
