None of that is tankie shit. Tankie shit is simping for russochina style authoritarian iron fist governance and apologizing/denying things like the gulag, or tienamen square.
I’ve seen lemmygrad/hexbear folks completely accept Stalin’s purges and arrests and disappearances as completely acceptable and desirable. I’ve seen acceptance of the Cambodian genocide as acceptable to achieve “progress”. THAT is tankie shit.
Being a socialist or a communist does NOT mean you are a tankie.
I stumbled into a trap last night of about 20 tankies flaming me for asserting that Ukraine seeking to maybe join NATO 10 years ago doesn’t justify total war level destruction by Russia today. There wasn’t discussion about equality or casting aside capitalism. It wasn’t even about unearthing genocide or criticism of the west.
It was just “Ukraine deserves it for going against Russia” and “you don’t know anything”
The simp for Russia/China part is a pretty integral aspect of being a tankie.
If you simp a capitalist dictatorship, you aren’t communist and therefore not a tankie. A tankie is someone who supports dictatorship of the proletariat for implementing communism, not dictatorship for capitalism (ie fascism).
Tianenmen square is mostly just US propaganda. More than half of those who died that day were soldiers, and the rest were a striking union they were fighting. The tank man photo itself is propaganda, since the tank was literally leaving TS at the time. If a foreign country makes up lies about you, shouldn’t you do your best to shut them down? Because according to US media, China murdered a shit ton of peaceful students that day, which is factually incorrect. Literally nobody died inside TS.
I can hit you with even more gruesome photos, but probably shouldn’t post gore in a random thread.
only a few hundred died, generally scattered around the areas and did include soldiers, but that’s a huge fucking number. And ultimately my point is around china’s iron fist information control of that whole month.
There’s always someone saying “it wasn’t really a thing”, but being so blind to the fact that hundreds of people dying is very much a thing.
Also you didn’t address the two main topics I raised in my comment. This isn’t just about tienamen square but it’s telling that you jumped to that
China was putting down a violent strike. Afaik, the workers started the violence. Which is not to say I at all support China’s response,but it’s not at all what US media claimed. The only guns being used were by the workers, for one thing. I commented on TS because that’s the part I knew most about, I’m not going to spend an hour typing up a detailed response to everything people write.
If MLK existed in current time, he would be called a tankie by most people on Lemmy.
His political ideas would be regarded as extremist, and the majority of the people here would not have supported him.
What thoughts of his would make him a tankie?
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None of that is tankie shit. Tankie shit is simping for russochina style authoritarian iron fist governance and apologizing/denying things like the gulag, or tienamen square.
I’ve seen lemmygrad/hexbear folks completely accept Stalin’s purges and arrests and disappearances as completely acceptable and desirable. I’ve seen acceptance of the Cambodian genocide as acceptable to achieve “progress”. THAT is tankie shit.
Being a socialist or a communist does NOT mean you are a tankie.
I stumbled into a trap last night of about 20 tankies flaming me for asserting that Ukraine seeking to maybe join NATO 10 years ago doesn’t justify total war level destruction by Russia today. There wasn’t discussion about equality or casting aside capitalism. It wasn’t even about unearthing genocide or criticism of the west.
It was just “Ukraine deserves it for going against Russia” and “you don’t know anything”
The simp for Russia/China part is a pretty integral aspect of being a tankie.
Russia isn’t communist.
Tell that to the tankies that simp Russia.
If you simp a capitalist dictatorship, you aren’t communist and therefore not a tankie. A tankie is someone who supports dictatorship of the proletariat for implementing communism, not dictatorship for capitalism (ie fascism).
You’re expecting intelligent consistency from tankies. They completely miss the forest for the trees.
A Dictatorship of the Proletariat doesn’t equal tankie.
And if they can’t/won’t tell the difference?
Indeed, that makes it even stranger. I think it’s often just that USA bad so Russia good.
Neither is China or North Korea or Cuba.
Tianenmen square is mostly just US propaganda. More than half of those who died that day were soldiers, and the rest were a striking union they were fighting. The tank man photo itself is propaganda, since the tank was literally leaving TS at the time. If a foreign country makes up lies about you, shouldn’t you do your best to shut them down? Because according to US media, China murdered a shit ton of peaceful students that day, which is factually incorrect. Literally nobody died inside TS.
Yeah, sure
I can hit you with even more gruesome photos, but probably shouldn’t post gore in a random thread.
only a few hundred died, generally scattered around the areas and did include soldiers, but that’s a huge fucking number. And ultimately my point is around china’s iron fist information control of that whole month.
There’s always someone saying “it wasn’t really a thing”, but being so blind to the fact that hundreds of people dying is very much a thing.
Also you didn’t address the two main topics I raised in my comment. This isn’t just about tienamen square but it’s telling that you jumped to that
China was putting down a violent strike. Afaik, the workers started the violence. Which is not to say I at all support China’s response,but it’s not at all what US media claimed. The only guns being used were by the workers, for one thing. I commented on TS because that’s the part I knew most about, I’m not going to spend an hour typing up a detailed response to everything people write.
I’m not moving the goalposts here, but again I never brought up TS
I was going to go reread your original comment, but I couldn’t find it, LMAO.
But the quote has nothing tankie about it?
Why should liberals know what tankies believe when they don’t even know what liberals believe?