Racism
With a large side of tribalism.
I think there’s room on this plate for a big serving of religious madness… on all sides, like, heaping.
I mean… plenty of Jewish protestors have been arrested attending pro palestinian protests with Muslims
Not that it means they’re both also climate activists lol.
It’s always about land.
Tim Russ!
What is this in reference to?
Jewish and Muslim climate activists not coming together to unite for the planet’s future, probably.
They’re coming together plenty. Just holding a Palestinian flag.
Zionists are not Jews.
Is that a thing that’s happening? I haven’t heard about it before this meme.
Fwiw, Bill Maher has a really informative video on that subject. TLDR: both sides want to genocide each other, and refuse to do anything else. I am not condoning genocide in the one direction by saying this, but nor am I condoning it in the other direction either. Also, Jew-Haul? It’s freaking hilarious!:-P
Edit: trigger warning, he is an offensive comedian who might literally not be joking as he ridicules others (and, though I did not know this at the time I commented the above) apparently uses the n-word constantly? I have no idea how he is not cancelled yet, but anyway in THIS PARTICULAR VIDEO he makes some very good points.
Bill Maher should, without a doubt, never be listened to.
I often think that.:-) But this particular episode I enjoyed hearing his perspective.
It sounds like you might have already agreed with his perspective, so he was more palatable while affirming your preconceived notions.
If you watch it, you’ll see: (1) facts, (2) illustrations, (3) a discussion of the historical nature of the problem, plus (4) yes I agree insofar as it says “the facts are complex, and we won’t solve this issue by not knowing those”.
Though someone already convinced me that at best it’s a great video from a horribly racist person. When I get a moment I’ll edit my original comment.
As for it being palatable, it is equally thus with trying to have discussions here on Lemmy, but at least this video put some effort into it.:-P
This is one of the most politically controversial conflicts in the history of everything and you’re pulling Bill Maher as a source? I don’t even know who the fuck you are, but I know you can do better than this. Come on.
Someone else sent me actual links to read and changed my view of him forever, while you got to work in your dig, like a boomer making fun of millennials working their asses off but who will never own a home. Enjoy being “correct”, I guess, but if there is even the tiniest part of you that isn’t a troll, then I hope you will consider: there is more than one way of being wrong.
I wasn’t trying to dunk on you. I think I came across a bit more aggressive than I meant to. Can you explain a bit? I have thought about there being more than one way of being wrong, but I’m not sure I get what you mean. Fine if you don’t want to engage any further.
Bill Maher is a fucking joke. And is Islamophobic as fuck
Even a broken clock….
If the clock doesn’t have any hands, it’s never right.
Then it’s not a stopped clock I’d suppose.
Ikr!? Every single time someone mentions a more measured, comprehensive response, it devolves into “he’s not my guy” (why is it always men too?:-P). Bill Maher is nowhere close to Jon Stewart or John Oliver, but if he happens to say something interesting… I’ll listen. I am not a tribal person and even if my heroes said something wrong I would disagree, and yes, bc apparently I very much desire the downvotes, I will add that even if Trump himself said something correct, I would agree with him. My partnership is with truth, not who said it.
We KNOW that our media is predatory, using reactionary tactics to feed engagement I.e. clickbait. This is how you counteract that - by ignoring rather than feeding forward their hype, giving credit where it is due and yes blame too when warranted.
I sometimes think the former, though I do not know enough about him to confirm or deny the latter, or if true to know the reasoning why? If you send me a clip that would help inform me, I will watch it and give it full consideration.
I wish you could hear yourself though. Elsewhere just earlier today you said:
snappy retort
See how that doesn’t add anything to the conversation?
Please feel absolutely free to ignore me, and also the haters everywhere, but do not ignore yourself: be the change that you want to see in the world. I wish you peace.:-)
https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/factsheet-bill-maher/
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2014/oct/06/bill-maher-islam-ben-affleck
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2019/3/31/when-it-comes-to-islamophobia-we-need-to-name-names
And fair enough. I’ve just had a long day and sometimes I have trouble engaging, but don’t want things said without anyone saying anything. I wanted to say more, but don’t have the energy to try to find out how to say it. Being neurodivergent, that takes a lot out of me and since you looked at my recent comments, I’m at my limit for being dogpiled today.
While I am reading those, here is a clip of Jon Stewart’s take on the issue… from 9 years in the past: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmCKZYKsiGM.
Jon Stewart has more class, humility, and grace in his ass crack after eating at Arby’s and getting food poisoned and THEN eating at Taco Bell AND Chipotle than Bill Maher has ever displayed on his best day. Bill Maher is the most elitist, snobbiest, pretentious asshole that I have ever heard, at least prior to Trump. I’m hoping it’s a “bit”, which comedians often do, and I give comedians a HUGE amount of slack that I would not a more traditional “news” organization. It’s the ultimate clickbait reactionary trolling, and it’s funny even if also nauseating to watch at the same time.
So if that is what you meant, that much I agree with - I just wanted something recent to link to, as if this issue has not been debated back & forth ad nauseam since before any of us were alive:-), and for some reason most people seem reluctant to put forth such a measured response to the situation? :-P
Thank you very much for the links, I will take a look!
We all get overwhelmed sometimes - please be kind, to yourself most of all bc otherwise how would you find it in you to be so to others as well? :-P
If it helps, there’s a famous quote that I like:
Don’t judge a man by where he is, because you don’t know how far he has come.
It’s similar to that miles in shoes one but I really like this different focus, personally. Other people might be okay today, but they have no idea what I had to go through just to get here.
If you are okay with still yet a third reply, I would like to explain why I see now that you are at least halfway correct, and to thank you for such a respectful conversation to help me see what you did.
For one, I tend to give comedians a HUGE amount of slack - but somehow knowing that he constantly uses the N-word changes everything for me. There is no way that he is merely doing a “bit” for comedic effect, if he is willing to go that far.
That said, I still do think that THIS VIDEO was quite well-made, in digging into the historical nature of the issue. It would be like if Donald Trump put out a video trying to convince people that workers deserved their wages - like… IKR!? yet true, yet what a source to have come from!?
I will add that stating that Muslims want to commit genocide against Jews isn’t in itself “Islamophobic” per se, though while I still have yet to see evidence that he is all the way that, knowing now that he is racist as fuck predisposes me to preemptively agree that that seems likely too.
So this is quite a complex Meta-issue, itself on top of an already quite complex issue:-). Maybe it takes people who do not think “normally”, to sit down and think it all through, as opposed to merely “ur stupid” (in lieu of disagreement with the subject matter) or “^THIS” (selfishly adding nothing to the conversation, beyond inserting oneself into it, like a toddler) - i.e. I am so glad that neither you nor I are fully “normal”, if that is what that means.
Anyway, thank you again.
Fuck Bill Maher - anyone who thinks he has anything informative to say on any matter is a fucking moron.
One side has infinitely more power to genocide the other, so aside from your dubious source of opinion (which others have addressed), it’s obscene as well.
There are about 16 million Jews.
There are about 1.9 billion Muslims.
Please stop portraying a conflict between one group of Jews and one group of Muslims as some sort of global religious war.
I’m confused by your comment.
I’m not portraying it as a global religious war.
If anything, it seems like you are, by giving global religious stats…?
Sorry, I didn’t mean you in particular, just the discussion in general.
I am guessing it was about an imprecision of language issue - e.g. “(the state of) Israel” rather than “Jews” and “Hamas” rather than Muslims (except it is more than just Hamas, so maybe… people in charge within Gaza? except they also are receiving weapons from outside of that… it is indeed a VERY complicated issue)
And then in the height of irony, for some reason that reply was aimed at you:-).
Yes it is obscene. It is very fucked up. On both sides.
- the exact message of this video
