As an Australian, no we didn’t. We just had it put in context. Jews around the world are great people, the Israeli government and the hardline supporters are absolute monsters. I hope the Australian government tells them as much. Israel deserves no support and everything that may happen when it’s withdrawn.
Why are we even allied with israel if this is how they treat us. They are like the your most abusive gaslighting ‘friend’.
“somebody was mean to us eighty years ago, so we can do whatever we want now”
(Yes I know antisemitism predates the holocaust by millennia. Shh)
It would be a victim complex if they actually believed their stance, but it’s really just a classic case of the abused becoming the abuser… or, more accurately, the genocided becoming the genocider.
No one that was in the Holocaust is in any kind of position of power in Israel, which makes it even more pathologically disturbing.
They were for most of Israels history, and they taught the current gen both nationalism, and how to treat the “others”.
It’s a Guardian article. The Guardian has had Headlines that are incredibly biased against Israel for at at least a few decades now. The trick to reading biased news outlets like the Guardian is to focus mostly on the quotes, and completely ignore inflammatory headlines.
“The UN and many of its member states, including Australia, voted for a humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza that would only help Hamas to reorganize – a resolution that again failed to condemn Hamas, and again failed to call for the release of all hostages,” Maimon wrote on X on Friday.”
“Now, listening to the most recent remarks by Australian officials, it seems that Hamas’s culpability has been forgotten – along with the fate of tens of thousands of displaced Israelis and the starvation of Israeli hostages in Gaza."
When you call for a ceasefire you should recognize that both sides have to agree to it. Basic diplomacy, don’t make out one side as being the bad guy if you want them to agree to something.
Hamas is holding civilians hostages (which is a war crime), but countries are demanding a ceasefire in way that makes Israel out as being evil.
It’s a “have you stopped beating your wife?” kind of thing. Putting someone into a situation where no matter what their answer is, they’re in the wrong.
Imagine you were being held hostage in the underground lair of some psychopaths, being tortured and raped for months. Your government was doing everything thing they could to get you out. Then some countries that hate you and your country demand they stop. Would you want your government to listen to people that hate you and everyone else in your country?
Calls for a ceasefire that don’t even mention the hostage situation are not serious diplomatic efforts. They’re just political moves, playing for the home crowd, playing for the social media crowd.
Reminder that defunding UNRAW is an attempt to make people forget about ICJ ruling.
The ruling that said nothing more than to ask Israel to behave? Why would a distraction from this even be necessary?
The preliminary ruling that found the claims of genocide plausible and will continue to convene on the issue further?
They established that South Africa has a case, that the case falls under the jurisdiction of the court and that “at least some of the acts and omissions alleged by South Africa to have been committed by Israel in Gaza appear to be capable of falling within the provisions of the Convention”. Notice how careful the wording is: “At least some”, “alleged”, “appear to be capable of falling within” - this kind of wording is being used to express a great deal of uncertainty. Legal language like this is incredibly precise and it demands to be read with the same amount of precision.
No, that’s just the wording they use to avoid being seen as prejudiced.
Because people might ask why the ICJ even felt the need to direct Israel to follow the law…
This distraction give Israel an excuse now why they haven’t resumed shipment of food, fuel, medicine, and water.
The court said they had to resume aid and within hours they come out with accusations against the agency tasked with getting aid into the country. Now other countries are cutting funding to UNRWA and being complicit in genocide. Israel is getting more accomplices in the genocide which will incentivize more countries to side against the Palestinians because now they might get added to the case as aiding the settler colonialist genocide government.
Because two separate events can’t happen without it being a conspiracy evidently.
Fuck Israel
Hamas didn’t make Israel constantly lie to their allies.
Hamas didn’t make Israel’s leaders call this a “holy war”.
Hamas didn’t make Israel commit multiple war crimes.
This is the correct stance
thank you, honestly nearly deleted it because I felt like it wasn’t exactly impartial but it’s been so upsetting watching it happen. they’re acting like absolute demons, any pretence that Hamas’s actions justify any of this went out the window months ago.
Exactly. When a bully gives you a black eye, murdering their entire family and burning their house down is not the appropriate response.
I started this conflict in full support of Israel right to protect itself- wars shit and people (including civilians) die, especially when your opponents hide in civilians protected areas.
But the response is well out of proportion for what they need to do to protect themselves. You don’t need to level blocks and civilians deaths need to be minimized.
Israel are horrible, (Jewish people are nice and horrible, like everyone else) but saying civilians deserve to when they lose funding is just as bad. That’s effectively what you’re saying when you say they deserve whatever happens. We need less violence, not more.
I know there’s still bots and astroturfers out there, but shit, you really don’t see as much pro-Israel sentiment any more.
It’s pretty hard to defend at this point. The closest you see is attacks on groups trying to speak against them now.
they lost the positive public opinion ages ago
Bluntly - step outside lemmy and you’ll see plenty.
There’s little point for even trying to discuss it here - that died with the stickied post about the ICJ ruling and a mod who joined in rather than preventing hate speech.
No. Pro-Israel sentiment has definitely lowered. Lots of people are still complaining about the increase of antisemitism. Which is true, bigots are using Israel as an excuse to be arseholes, not that that is anything new really.
Australia still supports Israel to the hilt. Settler-colonies prop each other up.
Don’t fall for this.
oh I know. it’s humiliating and I hate it. it’s nice to see this rebuke at all, it means we’re not being quite so disgusting.
Fascists think that people being born in a place isn’t as important as what history books say the ethnic makeup of a place was in the past.
Don’t fall for this.
Most Australians were born in Australia. The people alive today didn’t do the things you’re accusing them of.
We should learn from history not use it to create grievances in an effort to make people hate. Yes bad things happened in history, like for example the colonization of Australia. We should not repeat those mistakes. But those mistakes can’t be undone so there’s no use in being angry over them. But we can avoid doing those mistakes. Trying to get revenge for historical wrongs committed by past generations is one of those mistakes.
Stand amongst the dead innocents and ask the ghosts if culpability matters.
Someone has been playing mass effect 3
Hamas being the wrong one? Certainly but they did NOT start it.
You, Israel did start it certainly. 1948, stealing the land, illegal settlements, driving 750 000 Palestinian out and murdering many. Not to forget the Apartheid that’s been going on ever since then.
1987 Hamas was created purely because of all what happened in these years. When peaceful revolution is not possible, violent revolution is inevitable.
Yes. What Hamas did and probably still is doing - is wrong.
It is also wrong what Israel has been doing ever since they became a “state”, an illegal state.
The land, the country belongs to the Palestinians. An occupier cannot become its owner.
You (Israel) is just as (if not worse) bad as Hamas. You the one who is killing thousands upon thousands of people. Genocide.
That many countries refuse to acknowledge that an actual genocide is happening, does not mean that it is not happening - because it is happening.
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True story, when you drop your country on a bunch of indigenous people, it’s a crime.
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No need to relocate. Just make sure they’re able to take part in the governing of their current country. Really, we already looked at this problem in the rest of the world when Colonialism ended after World War 2. Yeah that means Israel isn’t going to be a Jewish country anymore but fuck around and find out.
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Sure because Israel didn’t blockade Gaza entirely in an effort to prevent Hamas from taking it’s seat as the Palestinian government. And Israel totally didn’t embark on a campaign of assassination and destroying civil infrastructure and personnel.
You’re beyond gilding the lily at this point. You’re straight up ignoring history and flirting with the idea that Palestinians don’t deserve a government.
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British Mandate Period:
The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948
Palestinian Arab Congress advocating for Unified State 1928
1929 Riots from Forward and 972Mag
Peel Commission Report and Memorandum of the Arab Higher Committee 1937
1936-1939 Revolt from JVL, Britannica, MEE
1948 to 1967:
Plan Dalet and Declassified Massacres
Arab League advocating for unified state 1948
1967 war Declassified
Israel Martial Law and Defence (Emergency) Regulations practiced in the occupied territories after 1967
Occupation:
Palestinian Prisoners in Israel and Military Court
Child abuse of Palestinian prisoners
Palestinians lack civil rights
Occupation and 50 years of dispossession
PCPSR Public Opinion Poll Dec 2023
Hamas founding charter and Revised charter 2017
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs archived here
How the US became the ally of Israel
Arab Israelis are not equal including Education (2001 report)
Human Shields including Children (2013 Report)
I’m just going to tuck this post away for the next time I see some pro genocide poster saying the Palestinians started anything.
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I’m not going to educate you through Lemmy, you got to educate yourself. Only then you’ll understand such important things.
I can’t write the entire thing, I’ll be busy my entire life time for your satisfaction.
The way Israel was made is a crime. What they’re doing is a crime, genocide.
EDIT: Checking your comment history, you are a Pro-Genocide & Pro-Israel person. My point, there’s no point arguing or discussing with you. You claimed in one of your other comments that Israel isn’t doing anything wrong and that all wars were started by Arabs. You are delusional and probably a Zionist.
Blocked you are.
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I edited my previous comment, read it.
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Apparently declaring Hamas as a terrorist group and putting sanctions on the leaders and facilitators aren’t being considered
