The association, founded in 1876, condemned legislation that would threaten librarians and other educators with criminal prosecution for possessing “obscene” material.

The association, founded in 1876, condemned legislation that would threaten librarians and other educators with criminal prosecution for possessing “obscene” material.

  • helenslunch@feddit.nl
    516·
    5 months ago

    What happened to freedom of speech?

    Doesn’t apply to school libraries. Would you be okay with having Hustler magazines at your local library?

    Personal accountability? Basic fucking parenting?

    What kind of parenting are you referring to? Do you expect parents to hold their kids’ hands all day at school?

    • iquanyin@lemmy.world
      71·
      5 months ago

      i expect them to trust their kids and not try to micromanage the entire country because the don’t.

      • helenslunch@feddit.nl
        12·
        5 months ago

        Wait, so are parents supposed to have “personal responsibility” or are they supposed to “trust their kids”?

        • iquanyin@lemmy.world
          21·
          5 months ago

          are those mutually exclusive? i didn’t find them to be. as with every single thing, you have to be attentive and responsive to the actual kids and situation. those change as time goes on…

          • helenslunch@feddit.nl
            11·
            5 months ago

            I don’t know, really. You speak in vague generalities and I don’t know what you’re actually trying to say.

      • helenslunch@feddit.nl
        31·
        5 months ago

        I didn’t see any school do that. That’s not the point. The point is, if it were in schools, would that be considered “freedom of speech”?

        And if not, then we’ve established that “freedom of speech” does not protect pornographic content in children’s public libraries.

          • helenslunch@feddit.nl
            32·
            5 months ago

            It’s relevant because the question is not about what type of books are being “banned” but whether “freedom of speech” preserves the right to stock whatever books you want in a public school library.

            • bane_killgrind@lemmy.mlEnglish
              12·
              5 months ago

              If hustler releases a text only version of their magazines, that should be allowed.

              There is no reason to restrict information.

              There is a reason to restrict nude pinups, as there is not an educational purpose to them, they are entertainment.

              There is no reason to restrict non-sexual depictions of nudity.

              There is no reason to restrict sexual depictions of nudity, if the depiction supports a narrative of conflict resolution, safety, or another educational purpose.

              • helenslunch@feddit.nl
                31·
                5 months ago

                If hustler releases a text only version of their magazines, that should be allowed.

                In elementary schools? With children. Well that’s certainly an interesting take.

                There is no reason to restrict information.

                Strange, all sorts of other information is restricted from children by law…

                There is no reason to restrict non-sexual depictions of nudity.

                Some of these books have graphical depictions of sexual acts. I’m not sure why anyone would think that’s something important to have in a school library or programme.

                • bane_killgrind@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  12·
                  5 months ago

                  I said

                  if the depiction supports a narrative of conflict resolution, safety, or another educational purpose.

                  The article says

                  “We’re seeing attempts by advocacy groups to file criminal charges against librarians and educators for books that they would like to see out of the library, and over and over again, these prosecutors decline to prosecute because there is absolutely no evidence that the books meet the most minimal standards for obscenity under the Miller Test,” she said.

                  The Miller Test is the U.S. Supreme Court’s legal test to determine what works are obscene. A book, a picture or a film is classified as obscene if it “describes or shows sexual conduct in a patently offensive way” or “lacks serious literary, artistic, political, educational, or scientific value.”

                  Libraries also serve highschools.

                  This article is completely age appropriate for a teenager even if it’s above your reading level.

                  • helenslunch@feddit.nl
                    12·
                    5 months ago

                    Yes because courts and judges never cater to the demands of their political friends. And politicians never do things for no reason other than to spite “the other side”.

                    This article is completely age appropriate for a teenager

                    THAT IS LITERAL PORNOGRAPHY. I FEEL LIKE I’M TAKING CRAZY PILLS.