• lurch (he/him)@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    this makes me suspect even more it has been incited by russia as a distraction. i mean the situation was messed up in israel/palestine for like 80 years, but suddenly when russia has problems invading a country, it escalates. coincidence? i doubt it.

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      3 months ago

      I mean Iran is Russia’s link to this shit, and Iran has been distancing the fuck out of their relationship with Hamas since the attack, which implies Hamas jumped the gun, which implies Iran doesn’t have as much control over them as they’d like, which means Russia would have even less ability to direct the action.

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      3 months ago

      Mmm. Did Russia even need to incite it, or just toss gasoline on the flames that are already burning?

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      I doubt it, because their vote doesn’t indicate that Russia or China want to avoid a ceasefire. Russia and China both know that the US would vote against it anyway, which means that their vote won’t alter the situation anyway, so both Russia and China are free to vote in whatever way they think is most politically-appealing; their vote is decoupled from what they want to happen.

      You could say that it’s surprising that they wanted the political appearance of opposing a ceasefire, though. I don’t know what considerations factor into that.

      EDIT: Oh, wait, this is one that the US proposed, so it’s probably on terms that Israel would accept.

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      3 months ago

      Suddenly? War had been going for quite some time at the moment of Hamas attack.

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    3 months ago

    So if the US was vetoing previous ceasefire resolutions, what makes their proposed ceasefire resolution different?

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      While the US promoted the measure as calling for a ceasefire, critics pointed out that the draft falls short of demanding an end to the war.

      The proposal backs the “imperative” for “an immediate and sustained ceasefire to protect civilians on all sides”, differing from previous draft resolutions vetoed by Washington, which demanded an unconditional ceasefire.

      Russia’s ambassador to the UN, Vassily Nebenzia, said the draft was exceedingly politicised and contained an “effective green light” for Israel to mount a military operation in Gaza’s southernmost city of Rafah, where more than 1.5 million Palestinians are sheltering.

      Nebenzia said there was no call for a ceasefire in the resolution’s text and accused the US leadership of “deliberately misleading the international community”.

      China’s representative, Zhang Jun, said the draft “dodged the most central issue, that of a ceasefire” through its “ambiguous” language.

      “Nor does it even provide an answer to the question of realising a ceasefire in the short term,” he added. Source

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        This is it. The proposed resolution didn’t call for a ceasefire. The weasel words fooled nobody.

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      3 months ago

      I guarantee some of the Jinping cocksuckers on Hexbear are absolutely shocked by this. They were singing his praises when he insulted the USA for enabling a genocide about a month ago.

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        3 months ago

        Shocked? They will make up a reason why this is good, China and Russia are the saviours of Palestine and US is the root of all evil.

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    3 months ago

    Seems like every offer that demands that the hostages be released gets rejected. Wonder if that means they don’t have as many living hostages as Israel believes.

    Hopefully this can come to a conclusion quickly but it seems like various parties are making that more difficult all around.

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          The UN conducted a preliminary investigation and found clear and convincing evidence of rape, gang rape, sexualized torture, and even sex with the corpses. Just think about that for moment and imagine what those poor female hostages are almost certainly going through right now. Disgusting. Hamas is the absolute scum of the earth.

          From the UN report:

          Based on the information it gathered, the mission team found clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment has been committed against hostages and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing against those still held in captivity. In line with a survivor/victim-centered approach, findings are conveyed in generic terms and details are not revealed.

          In the context of the coordinated attack by Hamas and other armed groups against civilian and military targets throughout the Gaza periphery, the mission team found that there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred in multiple locations during the 7 October attacks, including rape and gang-rape in at least three locations, namely: the Nova music festival site and its surroundings, Road 232, and Kibbutz Re’im. In most of these incidents, victims first subjected to rape were then killed, and at least two incidents relate to the rape of women’s corpses.

          https://www.un.org/sexualviolenceinconflict/press-release/israel-west-bank-mission/

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            The important part that makes this propaganda:

            The visit was neither intended nor mandated to be investigative in nature, a mandate vested in other United Nations bodies, which have promptly signaled their willingness and availability to investigate all alleged violations committed in the context of the 7 October attacks and their aftermath.

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              That’s why I said preliminary investigation. They said that there was enough clear and convincing evidence to warrant a full investigation by a range of UN bodies. That doesn’t make it propaganda, you troll. It means that they are certain that sexual violence occurred, just not the full extent of it.

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                But it is exactly this UN investigation, chaired by Navi Pillay and already underway, that the Israeli government has repeatedly blocked. On January 15, for example, Israel instructed physicians who had treated October 7 survivors not to cooperate with UN investigators. Source

                How could they know that sexual violence occurred, when they weren’t able to investigate? Did they take the word of Israeli officials?

                Ironically, it is the absence of any ability or power to investigate that likely induced Israel to extend an invitation to Patten. This was despite Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the official UN investigation currently underway.

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                  So, rather than believe the words of the UN report, the 5000 photographs and the 50 hours of video they reviewed, you are proposing a conspiracy theory that the Israeli government’s reason for refusing to cooperate with certain people in certain ways means that the rapes never happened? Dude…