• parpol@programming.dev
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    Take the subway (or bus, or bicycle, or walk, or scooter, or motorcycle, or longboard, etc). Fuck cars.

    Edit: added more options for people missing my point.

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      It’s not that simple. Many places on the planet do not have a high enough population density to make subways viable.

      I love trains. I take trains when possible. But your take is overly simplistic.

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        Yet in the early 1900s there was enough population for an extensive network of trolleys… With 2 billion people on the entire planet. Now were headed back to trolleys with extra steps

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        Obviously people who absolutely need cars have no choice, but for most of the population, however, take the subway.

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          I think you underestimate how shitty public transit is outside of like maybe six or seven major metros across all of North America.

          You compare needing cars to using the subways as if I have a choice. Most of us literally don’t.

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                I assumed Canadians are allowed to move to and live in the US.

                Shitting on all countries but your own is elitist.

                Shitting on one country (especially when it is justified) is not.

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      My city has over 2.2M people, spans 530sq-mi (1,372 km2 for metric folk)…… and doesn’t have a subway. You want me to do what now?

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          I was going to say bicycle, but stick a Japanese electric motor on one of them and you’ve got a pretty nice piece of transportation. I take my kid to kindergarten, go grocery shopping, etc on my bicycle even during rain, and it is really pleasant. Unless it takes over 40 minutes by bicycle, or the person has some kind of physical disability, I would recommended bicycles for sure. I don’t even have a driver’s license.

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        I mean america is rotten to the core. If you want a real solution its not gonna be cheap or easy, thats just what we get for years focused on funneling money to the shareholders instead of actual innovation.

        Turns out theres countries out there that are happy to cut out this inefficiency, and so given a long enough timeframe almost have to pull ahead

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        Most people live in the city and don’t need cars. You’re an exception. Though an electric car isn’t going to help much for you either since sparsely populated areas lack charging stations anyway.

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          Phoenix, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin all have inadequate public transportation. And together they account for 5 of the 10 biggest cities in the US by population.

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            And one of those is the city I live in. Their combined MSAs account for almost 25 million people that can’t just “take the subway”

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              What about bicycles, scooters, the bus? Surely you have at least one of those?

              If you don’t have a subway where you live, then that’s unfortunate, and I agree there is nothing you can do there.

              I was trying to point out that most people with access to the subway still drive a car for some reason, and I meant that these people should use the public transportation that they have.

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                Drive a car, there in 15 minutes.

                Take a bus, there in 2 hours. Takes 40 minutes to walk to the fitst bus stop.

                Bus does not run after 9pm.

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          The person you are replying to said they live in a city of 2.2 million people, and your response is “most people live in the city?” If 2.2 million people isn’t a city, then I don’t know what is. Also, 2.2 million people in 530 sqmi is 4150 people per square mile. And you consider that sparsely populated?

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            I consider that shitty american urban design, which after decades is finally coming to reap what they sow; It just sucks to be the collateral in it all.

            But I mean really you can’t expect that to move a 200lbs person you’d NEED 20x that weight in machine, thats a whole ass 95% error were getting sold

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              Absolutely nobody here is arguing that America has good urban design. We are arguing with the person who said we don’t need cars because we can all take the subway. Most Americans, even huge car enthusiasts, would love to have more public train systems if only to lower traffic so they can drive faster. Half of the country is not willing to pay for it, though.

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                I said most, not all, assuming at least major cities had public transportation, but I did indeed not know how bad it truly was. I grew up using a bicycle to go anywhere, then a bus, then a train, never a car.

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          an electric car isn’t going to help much for you either since sparsely populated areas lack charging stations

          Even sparsely populated areas usually have electricity. If your house is connected to the grid, you can charge your car at home and wake up every morning with a “full tank”. DC fast charging stations are really only needed for long road trips.

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            I’m not NoCars than anything but I gotta agree thats definitely the dumbest reason people hate on EVs, like imagine being so used to the idea of gas stations you can’t even imagine a world without

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            How do you charge at home? Do you get a long extension coord and keep your door open at night? Aren’t you making the assumption that every house has an outdoor socket or even a parking spot? I sure have neither. If you live in an apartment, does your landlord offer charging at the parking?

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            I mean me ripping ass is contributing to co2 emissions but it doesnt make coal plants ok cause I fart.

            Bikes have an extremely reduced tire surface area compared to cars as well as much lower velocities; those variables alone causing exponentially less microplastics released.

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              And walking causes even less release of microplastics. So if you choose to bike instead of walk, you are responsible for unnecessary microplastics release.

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                Isnt this like the exact opposite of what I was saying?

                Thought I made it pretty clear but I’ll make it even clearer: a human farting does not excuse emissions from coal plants, although they both contribute to greenhouse gasses

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                  It’s not the opposite. As you said, they both contribute to the problem. But nobody actively encourages farting.

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                    Shit to align the metaphor more of farting could replace coal plants, I dont think we’d have people arguing against it though no?

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                  Cars are a lot better than semis. If they aren’t good enough then I don’t see why one would be satisfied with bikes.