What’s your issue with Yitzhak Rabin? With the Israeli Labour party in general? I mean short of any issues you might have with socdems in theory or practice.
Rabin was a Labour Zionist killed by a Religious Zionist. It’s not a left-right thing. In fact it would hardly be accurate to call the right’s conception of Zionism proper Zionism as a Jewish state in perpetual conflict with its neigbours is not feasible in the long term. Right wing and self-sabotage, name a more iconic duo.
If you use a word in a wrong way then you shouldn’t be surprised if people call you out on it.
And, no, I won’t excuse Israel here there’s fucking Kahanites in the current government, Rabin’s killer is a Kahanite, they’re not a single bit less fascist than Hamas or Nazis, just the coat of paint differs.
…and maybe, just maybe, if you’re out here on the internet with the explicit mission of doing activism you should have an understanding about the broader political context of things, the alternative is to be an instrument for whoever gets to you first. This is basic shit. In a sense Zionism dates back to about 500BC when Persians conquered the area from the Babylonians which had conquered the Jewish kingdoms and ethnically cleansed them.
The return to Israel was back then tied up with a prophecy of world peace (see swords to ploughs), but the diaspora continued to exist and there’s in fact anti-Zionist Jews who think that the whole project is heresy as it’s trying to force a prophecy. Zionists of course disagree (or simply don’t see it in religious terms), but long story short yes there’s plenty of people who want a Jewish state, with full rights for all non-Jews living there, democratic, liberal, peaceful, lefty, all the things. Rabin was one of them. Herzl wasn’t that much different. You should be supporting those people, try to convince Israelis to give that approach another chance, not lump them up with genocidal maniacs. Same of course goes for the Palestinian side (in case you plan on defending Hamas).
To quickly get the IDF to stop bombing getting rid of the current government seems to be a decent approach, don’t you think? To that end, I’ll quote myself:
You should be supporting those people, try to convince Israelis to give that approach another chance, not lump them up with genocidal maniacs.
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What’s your issue with Yitzhak Rabin? With the Israeli Labour party in general? I mean short of any issues you might have with socdems in theory or practice.
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And Herzl advocated for which of those?
Rabin was a Labour Zionist killed by a Religious Zionist. It’s not a left-right thing. In fact it would hardly be accurate to call the right’s conception of Zionism proper Zionism as a Jewish state in perpetual conflict with its neigbours is not feasible in the long term. Right wing and self-sabotage, name a more iconic duo.
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If you use a word in a wrong way then you shouldn’t be surprised if people call you out on it.
And, no, I won’t excuse Israel here there’s fucking Kahanites in the current government, Rabin’s killer is a Kahanite, they’re not a single bit less fascist than Hamas or Nazis, just the coat of paint differs.
…and maybe, just maybe, if you’re out here on the internet with the explicit mission of doing activism you should have an understanding about the broader political context of things, the alternative is to be an instrument for whoever gets to you first. This is basic shit. In a sense Zionism dates back to about 500BC when Persians conquered the area from the Babylonians which had conquered the Jewish kingdoms and ethnically cleansed them.
The return to Israel was back then tied up with a prophecy of world peace (see swords to ploughs), but the diaspora continued to exist and there’s in fact anti-Zionist Jews who think that the whole project is heresy as it’s trying to force a prophecy. Zionists of course disagree (or simply don’t see it in religious terms), but long story short yes there’s plenty of people who want a Jewish state, with full rights for all non-Jews living there, democratic, liberal, peaceful, lefty, all the things. Rabin was one of them. Herzl wasn’t that much different. You should be supporting those people, try to convince Israelis to give that approach another chance, not lump them up with genocidal maniacs. Same of course goes for the Palestinian side (in case you plan on defending Hamas).
tl;dr: Fascism bad.
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Anytime you say “palestinians are dying” there’s always a well-trodden wag going “ARE YOU SAYING ISRAEL SHOULDN’T EXIST11???///!!”
You have to learn to just ignore it and hope the world will come to some sense at some point soon
To quickly get the IDF to stop bombing getting rid of the current government seems to be a decent approach, don’t you think? To that end, I’ll quote myself:
If there’s a competitive party in the Knesset that is actively against bombing Gaza, sure.
But literally the leader of the opposition in the Knesset is *fully in support* of the IDF’s actions so far.
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/tête-à-tête/20231010-israeli-opposition-leader-yair-lapid-the-endgame-is-there-will-be-no-hamas-in-gaza
As it stands, Likud has had a strong grip on the Knesset for a long time, despite not really having a mandate of popular support.
Even when opposition parties have won a plurality, war hawks like Netanyahu and Sharon have still been able to build Likud-run coalitions.
Cool stuff dude. Down with Israel! Thanks for your support.
Zionism in general needs to die, you’re just repeating the same shit over and over
Social democrats are still imperialist.
wouldn’t that make you a nazi