Joe Biden and Mitch McConnell struck up a friendship during their nearly quarter-century in the Senate together. Now in their 80s, the Democratic president and the Senate GOP leader appear to be giving political cover to each other as they fend off questions about their advanced age and health issues.
Notably, McConnell, R-Ky., 81, hasn’t joined Donald Trump, 77, and other Republicans who have attacked Biden’s age, health and mental acuity as he seeks re-election.
And after McConnell’s second freeze-up last week, Biden was one of the first to call McConnell, telling reporters that his “friend” sounded like “his old self” and that such episodes are a “part of his recovery” from a fall and a concussion this year.
complicate attacks on Biden’s age
No they really don’t. They’ll talk about Biden’s “obvious mental decline” and they’ll just not talk at all about Mitch’s very public 30 second Journeys Beyond the Stars. They’ll absolutely say Biden is too old but that Trump, who is only 3 years younger, isn’t. The right is absolutely capable of that level of doublethink. Stop assuming anything matters to them other than getting power they can use to hurt people. They don’t care about policy. They don’t care about seeming like hypocrites. They’ve been whipped into a paranoid frenzy and they’ll do anything they need to do in order to hurt the people they’re afraid of. Start looking at their behavior through that lens and see if it doesn’t start to make a lot of sense to you.
I think Trump is younger. He’s a monster, but still younger than Biden.
Yup, Biden is 3 years older than trump.
I don’t see any mental decline… Biden has always been a gaffe machine and he has a stutter he struggles to suppress. He’s the same as ever.
While on the other side, Trump seems to be already through with his mental decline…
And Biden still jogs & bikes.
Trump doesn’t exercise which means his battery remains fuller than Biden, who frivolously depletes his battery through exercise. Humans have a finite amount of energy and you have to conserve it (this is an actual thing he believes.)
This is a big fucking deal!
He might gaffe but he’s not wrong lol
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Indeed, so if Trump was theoretically elected, he’d be the oldest elected president of all time, beating Joe from 2020 lol.
He’s also wildly unhealthy, and if his lifestyle is to be believed, he probably should’ve died years ago. The only thing keeping him going is fake tan, hair dye, and hate.
Biden is too old, but he at least looks somewhat healthy.
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I do have to admit, after getting concussed I also appeared to freeze but I was thinking hard of what the right word is to say next.
That said, probably anyone in concussion recovery should be on leave from legislating. The brain will heal more slowly, and your work will be of poor quality.
That’s all before getting into the actual politics of having a gerentocracy.
I know a lot of people have talked a out adding an age limit, but it seems to me most of the ancient ones are skating by on incumbent effect. If we had term limits it would resolve that. Alternatively something like the Virginia Gubernatorial rules where you cannot hold the position successively.
I have the same occasional issue with forgetting words after a TBI, and have worked with people in recover who have it much worse than I. It’s an interesting outcome when simple words just cannot be recalled. To fabricate an example; I know what this object is, a tool for writing, it’s in my hand, it has ink, but what the hell is it called. (a pen) - it can be for the most mundane and common words.
However; I don’t go slackjaw and become completely nonresponsive for 10-20 seconds. This guy needs to be in medical care.
You’re right, it’s never as long as this. I am young, though so I don’t know how it would show in an ancient man hahaha.
I don’t see the appeal in insisting everything is fine. I would rather see my leaders saying “hey, I don’t feel good so I’m going to take some time to get healthy”.
The hubris of man
I appreciated that about Fetterman. I feel as though he presented his injury as something humans go through. He will continue his job, at times with assistance, and do the best he is able. He didn’t need to step down and he is not incapable of doing his job, but he has a flaw and is honest of it.
I dunno I don’t feel good about setting laws about who should be eligible to run for public office. The voters should decide who is eligible and who isn’t.
Yeah there’s a lot of dumb voters out there, but the general idea that we’re smarter than the voters and therefore need to make laws that supersede the voters feels wrong to me.
I think the problem of voters being dumb is just something we have to accept about democracy.
Voters being dumb and electing incumbent yet incapable people is not just democracy, but populism. Especially when those in power have been in power for so long that they meddle in education funding to keep said voters dumb
Democracy and populism are mutually exclusive?
Especially when those in power have been in power for so long that they meddle in education funding to keep said voters dumb
Improving education is indeed the solution to the problem. And it’s a thing that is more likely to happen than a law prohibiting those currently in power from running again.
IMO it’s useless talking about what laws or policies need to change to fix this because the people with the power to change it know that doing so will affect their ability to stay in power and just won’t change it to their detriment. It’s the same reason protesting won’t ever fix the fundamental issues. The people currently at the top aren’t just going to hand their power away or cripple their ability to easily generate or access wealth. If it comes to it, they’ll go to war before giving that up.
Then it follows that it’s also useless to even discuss such things on the internet. So why even bring up these topics if it’s impossible to change anything?
Or are you just spending time posting on the internet in an attempt discourage others from trying to improve things?
Solving a problem requires understanding it. I’m not trying to discourage improvement but want more people to see what I see about the nature of what’s going on and how many of these flaws in the system aren’t seen that way by the people who pass the laws and make the policies.
That’s the beauty of the “can’t hold the position consecutively” rule.
It doesn’t matter what age, party, or how long you’ve been in office.
You can always run for a different office, or wait for the next term to run again.
Might be a bit weird with the House.
I don’t know either. It feels shortsighted and bigoted to do things like that. The issue is that when votes in Kentucky vote the rest of us have to endure how they vote. Term limits could and should be tried. So even when the voters make a mistake the mistake doesn’t linger around.
It would solve a lot of problems of the Senate if we set the term limit to 0.
The solution is simply better education. Which solves a lot of problems beyond codgers like Mitch McConnell. There are plenty of other terrible people running for office that wouldn’t be prevented from doing so by such laws. But these terrible people wouldn’t have a chance of winning an election in a better educated population.
This would be devastating if conservatives cared at all about hypocrisy or logical consistency.
No they don’t.
It’s incredible how fucking stupid news media is, huh?
And that’s the problem. People aren’t well informed because of their sources. Media literacy/ skepticism/ critical thinking should be taught throughout our education. But that would transform the whole system , so it won’t. If you know how to do it, pass it on.
No one over 70, period. Go home. Retire. Make way.
Keep in mind that includes Bernie Sanders.
And that would be okay.
It’s so weird how everyone expects progressives to be just as hypocritical as moderates and conservatives…
Bernie would 100% be down for it and immediately pivot to outreach or something else if he could hold office.
He’s been saying he’s not more important than the movement for decades now
I’m by no means obsessed with the guy, but one thing really solidified my respect for him: before I ever knew who he was he always would show up in a random documentary if US government was ever spoken about, and he was always on the “right side” of whatever the documentary was about. Then in the run up to 2016 he shows up and I’m like “holy crap it’s that guy!”
Bernie is an ineffectual, failure of a career politician who can’t get anything done, not even rally the support of his own party, let alone the whole country. He’s a dinosaur who has been too long in politics and lives a few rungs above us all on the ladder and has no idea how we really live.
We need someone young and capable to rally behind, forget Bernie.
We need someone young and capable to rally behind, forget Bernie.
Literally what Bernie has been saying for 20 years champ, glad you agree with him
Yet HE ran for president and failed. If Bernie wants young blood, why the fuck was he running?
What he said…
Raising awareness for the progressive cause, and motivating the youth to participate in politics. Not just voting in the general, but voting in the primary and running for office.
You’ve got really strong opinions about him, but don’t seem to know anything about him.
It really seems like the two of you agree on a lot. You’re just really uninformed…
It is a failure of our system that a populist candidate without his name recognition would have no chance against the incredibly well-funded corporate shill neoliberals/conservatives we usually have to choose between.
Who, pray tell, should have run in his place on his platform?
About a hundred of his amendments made it in various bill proposal. A bunch of which became laws. You can’t really blame him for the broken party system in which he’s not even taking part. One man can’t single handly fix congress
If he can’t fix the broken system then he’s useless to us
Gee, I had no idea that it was his responsibility alone to run this government.
Maybe you’d should read a book on political movements.
While I agree he didn’t do much from a legislative point of view, calling him a failure is missing the fact that he represented a voice that’s rarely heard in American politics, which might have paved the way people like AOC or Fetterman. Also the fact that he still holds the same views after 30 years is something that can serve as an antidote to cynicism. He’s an inspiring figure to many, and inspiration is important in politics.
but he alone didnt change legislation (in a democracy) therefore he’s a failure
The ignorance of this comment is astounding
Yes just like the anti-abortionists failed again and again until they succeeded in taking away rights. Building a movement takes time, especially if it’s not flush with corporate money.
Correct. Bernie needs to retire
If only there was some sort of system by which voters could choose who their candidates are. Like before the general election parties could have internal elections to decide the candidates.
They could call it like a “First election” or even a “Primary election.”
At this point it is economically unfeasible for anyone under 40, unless you are an affluent trust fund baby, to pay all the money required to run for a presidential campaign.
This is why it’s always skewed towards old white men (hint: they can afford losing millions).
Literally no one ever has paid all of the money required to run a Presidential Campaign.
Sounds like you can easily run for president then, eh? Hypothetically speaking, if you were forced by gunpoint to run, what’s stopping you in particular?
My criminal history wouldn’t play well with voters. Small time drug possession, misdemeanor. It’s since been expunged (hence me having my current job), but that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t come up.
Fun fact: I was actually offered the opportunity to run for state gov by my states party, and turned it down due to aforementioned criminal history.
I don’t know what fucking fantasy reality you live in where no criminals run for office; we the attorney General of Texas, George Santos indictment, Americas mayor Rudy Juliani indictment, fucking Trump. We can keep going on literally forever listing criminal pieces of shit who have been in government positions.
Your argument here is failing.
You’re describing situations that the public very much is aware of.
I’m not concerned with getting in trouble. I was concerned with winning the election and I know who my potential constituents would have been and their feelings on marijuana possession.
It’s on the ballot to be recreational in my state so maybe I’ll revisit after that passes, as the optics would improve significantly.
I’m not interested in running an already-uphill campaign with an albatross around my neck. Consider that, as a potential candidate, I have superior knowledge of my electorate than some random dude who doesn’t even know where I live.
Judging from the Republicans presidential candidates debate, the selection is limited to idiots, stupid idiots, and dangerous idiots.
That’s who their voters want. You’re mad at republican voters. I don’t know why people don’t realize that.
I am constantly angry at ignorant, uneducated, rural retards. Yes, you are correct.
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As long as you take Bernie with you. As a liberal I hate the hypocrisy of calling for term limits, while rallying behind Bernie, an ineffectual career politician who can’t get shit done and is all nice soundbites. He’s also a dinosaur.
IMHO Bernie is best suited to be an advisor or advocate, if he wants to continue.
For sure. He’s got great ideas, but he doesn’t have that thing that makes people want to rally behind him. Like I mentioned, he couldn’t even get his own party’s nomination, which means he would have gotten wrecked in Presidential election.
he couldn’t even get his own party’s nomination
Tell me more about politics please.
Imagine what a cakewalk it would be if the Democrats could scrape up a viable candidate under 65
democrats don’t want to win all the time, then they’d have to do stuff and keep improving
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He polled terribly in his 2016 run. His popularity improved during Trump’s presidency, especially during the impeachment hearings, but the Republicans will hammer him on his relationship with the alleged Chinese spy Christine Fang
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Or this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Ossoff
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- Bachelor’s from Georgetown.
- Master’s from the London School of Economics.
- Experience as an Investigative journalist in Africa and the Middle East.
- Interned in the Senate under civil rights icon John Lewis.
- First ever millennial Senator.
- Progressive (by American standards).
Definitely well qualified.
The only downside is that he’s pretty unknown, having only been a senator since 2021.
Nope, against 2nd Amendment.
Fuck the 2nd Amendment.
No u
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He just has the audacity that the 2nd Amendment doesn’t preclude gun control laws.
There’s a 4 year age gap between Trump and Biden. Funny how 4 years ago Trump was saying Biden was too old for the job…
If trump were smart, (lol, bear with me) he would say “people didn’t mind voting for Biden at this age, so they shouldn’t mind me at this age either. But I promise not to run after the age of 80, unlike that frail old man who just wants to hide in his basement” or some shit like that. He lies all the fucking time, so he has nothing to lose and everything to gain by spinning that just a little bit.
If Trump were smart, he would have also said “we have the best scientists, and I only hire the best, you know, my personal friend Dr Fauci agrees with me that all patriots should wear masks to beat the China virus, and we’re going to have beautiful vaccines, the very very best vaccines, and we’re gonna use so much of them you won’t believe how great we are at beating this virus, we’re gonna be sick of being healthy.” and would probably have handily won reelection.
I mean, he did at first. Lmao and then (idk the order in which it happened) he flipped with his base to “vaccines will give you rabies and chemically castrate you” when they started coming out. He initially bragged about how fast he was helping companies develop the vaccine, then it came out and he decided to trash them
They celebrate Operation Warp Speed at the same time they talk about being “pure blooded” lmao
These people do not have brains.
Not only that, but he could’ve made millions off of red maga facemasks too. All he had to do was let the experts run the shit they’re experts in while taking credit for putting the right people on top of it. The election wouldn’t have even been close. It would’ve been like the Reagan reelection.
what a timeline that would be
Why do Democrats keep entertaining the notion that rank hypocrisy will ever be a dealbreaker for Republicans? They have decades of evidence to the contrary.
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Wait. Trump, three years younger than Biden, is attacking Biden on his age?
Trump also thinks he’s 215 pounds.
I’m 6’2 230 lbs and I look WAY slimmer than Trump. He is lying about all of it.
My guess is if you took away the lift shoes and actually measured the guy he’d be a bit shy of 6 foot and well over 300
He was already attacking Biden on his age during the election. At the age Trump now is.
These are people that have mastered doublethink, there is absolutely no such complication for people inside the GOP bubble. For everyone else, yeah, it’s one more minor bit of hypocrisy, but it’s not even a thing for the bleach-koolaid drinkers.
Well it’s not like they both arent too old or anything…
The choice is between a kindly (somewhat weird) old man and a mean, petty (and extremely weird) old man.
I hate to break it to everyone, but we’re all weird. You just stop trying to hide it at a certain age, or forget to. But yes, Biden weird and Trump weird are two different universes.
Yeah really. Biden might sniff your hair, Trump wants to sniff his daughter’s pubic hair.
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I paid with my phone in the grocery store today and the 80yo behind me was mind blown.
Yeah bruh, I’ll take Brandon over any traitor republican.
I’ll take my neighbors over any rich ass hole.
You have to have a sense of irony for that to be true, and conservatives tend to lack a sense of irony.
They also don’t care about hypocrisy. So shit like this doesn’t phase them one bit, yet MSM still hasn’t gotten the memo lol.
Why do we get Biden? Is there NO other democrat that can beat Trump, etc? None whatsoever?
The Dems need to stop fighting one election at a time. They’re fighting on their back foot!
There are at least 2 other democrats in the running that could beat Trump that are polling >10%, but the DNC won’t allow debates. If the DNC believed in Biden, they should allow debates to show all of us that he’s competent.
Dnc has been entirely fucked since they froze out Bernie. That’s why Trump won.
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Who are those 2?
I’m assuming they are talking about Kennedy and Williamson. Which are absolute batshit insane people that have no chance at beating trump. They say a lot of progressive stuff that sounds great but then you find out the crystal healthcare program and that anti semitism
Yeah RFK is a joke and is bankrolled by the far right. Republicans like him more than Dems. Calling him a serious contender is a joke and a half.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/rfk-jr-democrat-republican-primary-favorability/
More than anything I just hope this could get the US term limits. If an older person gets elected so be it, but let’s get rid of people serving in Congress for 20+ years. Two terms Senate, two House gets you twenty years, that is long enough and follows the existing model with the Presidency.
Amen to that.
There’s a few good dynasty reps, but for every one good one it seems like there’s 4-5 bad ones.
Being a representative is not supposed to be a career job. You can’t represent the people if you haven’t been one of the people for 20+ years and you have no idea what life in your district is actually like.
Plus there’s a natural predisposition to re-elect incumbents. Thus you get dinosaurs like McConnell and Pelosi who both should be in nursing homes but they stick around because they have seniority. These people are not doing a good job of representing the will of their constituents, if only because it’s been longer than anyone can remember since they’ve been one of those constituents.
This exactly. This is at the heart of so much of the corruption. Someone in public service shouldn’t be able to make it a life time appointment and come out 100s of millions in net worth.
Bought and sold by corp interest all along the way. It becomes a lot harder to purchase power when there’s a regular rotation of new people every 4-8 years
You make a good point- along with term limits there has to be something to prevent a revolving door of people going between government regulating industry and the industry they regulate. An insider trading law for Congress is a good start- if not requiring investments to go into a blind trust, to at least require Congress representatives and spouse to publicly declare all holdings and trades so insider trading would be obvious.
I’d really like to make elections publicly funded though. Get the money out of Washington.
And while we’re at it, let’s reform primaries by removing them entirely. Let anyone with some number of petition signatures get on the main ballot, and use ranked choice voting so you can vote ‘for’ the best guy without losing your vote ‘against’ the worst guy. Then we might actually get some GOOD politicians.
Fundamentally disagree. You are just opening the system to cheaper bribery. Senators like Bernie Sanders would be thrown out even when he has one of the highest approval ratings by his constituents. Term limits do nothing for congress but make said congress people look for their next opportunity after the gig (which is already a problem). Its on voters to make sure candidates like Mitch McConnell or Dianne Feinstein get replaced. The call for term limits is just change for change without any thought on its possible effects. You may ask why do I have this double standard for congress but not the president? The simple answer is there are 100 senators and 435 House Representatives, most people barely fucking know who their senators/reps are but you are just making for a revolving door to disincentivize even caring about them now since eh they are going to disappear in a couple years anyway, the power difference between being the sole power of a branch of government vs being merely a member with either 1/100 or 1/435 the power of the body changes things since congress is far more a collective than any of the other branches.
