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Yamcha is weak though.
Also Yamcha is hotter than most Z fighters. Also Wolf Fang Fist is the coolest name for an attack in all dragon ball that I’m aware of which is up.to the end of Frieza
I think that the basic thesis here is fundamentally wrong, or at least it’s clearly wrong sometimes. It’s memed to death, but the anime girls these gooners get off to fundamentally don’t look like human beings, which is made obvious by the fact that you can’t actually coherently imagine one in the real world without either completely changing them or having an abomination on your hands.
“It’s called art, sweaty”
In the loosest sense of the term, yes, but my point is that if you are able to make a really arousing cubist woman, calling it merely “an impossibly high standard” and not “some human-inspired thing that gets some people hard” is a confusion. Anime girls are just a more accessible version of that.
“why are you talking about anime when the gooners are mostly ‘correcting’ non-anime games?”
Because when you see how they correct them, it’s clear that anime girls are a major reference point for them.
Like those artists that Miyazaki criticized, these people don’t just have high standards, they are coming to prefer the non-human simulacra over humans, at least for their sex objects.
they are coming to prefer the non-human simulacra over humans, at least for their sex objects.
hello! don’t act like this is some sort of inherently bad thing. kinks about like, weird shit that aren’t just human bodies are normal and fine actually
no the problem is that these chuddites are retroactively applying what is effectively a kink about a non-human character design and assuming it’s the standard for actual human bodies. it would be like getting angry over your latex fetish not being the standard for human dress
the line between the simulcra and the actual thing has become blurred such that they believe the former is the latter while it also isn’t in reality. to be clear, if they were attracted to real human bodies it would be the same issue, which is what you see with less weebish but still terminally online chuds. they are committing derivatization and would regardless of whatever they’re attracted to because they think that’s normal.
the distinction is important because, the argument made with the lack of the distinction both doesn’t solve the problem and is pretty problematic with the other people it affects. it isn’t a moral failing to have forms of attraction that aren’t just vanilla body preferences. so-called “paraphilias” are a deeply weird white-patriarch thing, made by people who seem to think that having a stiletto kink or getting off to music is somehow morally insidious in the same way that pedophilia or beastiality is, probably because the people writing the “paraphilia” diagnosis originally were pedophiles and zoophiles themselves knowing how gross so-called “professionals” can be in that field.
the actual issue is the expectation for both real human forms and depictions of human forms to always fit a specific narrative or to contort themselves to your attractions in general. human beings are incredibly varied and even within the extremely narrow purview of “normal human bodies”, derivitization can rear it’s ugly head and create deeply twisted beliefs
overall, it’s not about the fact that people like these unrealistic simulcra or fake people (other than the fact that the fake people always seem suspiciously young…
), it’s that they have a distaste for real people. Not a lack of attraction, no, it is still possible to be a normal and good person with a complete lack of attraction to anyone (ace people exist 
). But an outright hatred of actual living human beings, born entirely out of a genuine expectation and entitlement for them to bend themselves to one’s every desire.as an aside, most people can be attracted to deeply unrealistic and fantastical things while also being attracted to completely normal and grounded things. the idea we can’t is almost definitely grounded in the same derivitization. We don’t expect people to immediately stop liking tacos the moment they eat a bowl of soup and like it, but the equivalent of that from a sexual perspective seems to be touted as a genuine belief constantly. If someone can only be attracted to ONE THING at a time, than we wouldn’t even have… the majority of sexual culture that exists
The one good Redditor.
i dunno i’ve been playing Sparking Zero recently and they have made a point to show Yamcha getting rolled by…
- the saibamen, which are literally just plants that can explode (yeah yamcha sure you ‘won’ but come on…you couldn’t have gotten it off your back?? chump)
- Cell Jr which is basically just a stronger saibaman (except they’re grown from Cell :))
- Androids
i would not call the man who loses to plants ‘strong’ he is objectively weak in the Dragon Ball universe of fighters and isn’t even the top non Saiyan/Alien Z-Fighter, even accounting for the fact that most citizens of planet Earth have like a powerlevel of like 10.
The Saibamen are canonically as strong as Raditz, power level 1200. Plus, everyone always forgets this, but Yamcha actually beat that Saibaman initially - he just didn’t kill it, allowing it to surprise him and self destruct. So Yamcha is, at the very least, on the level of an average Saiyan warrior after his training with Mr Popo.
The normal human power rankings are something like Roshi > Tien > Krillin > Yamcha > Videl > Chi-Chi > Hercule > Everyone Else
Hercule > Everyone Else
Hah! That means there are still billions of Earthlings weaker than him!
Now if only they’d let Tien do anything cool again
No way Roshi is stronger than those guys after they trained with King Kai
In Dragon Ball Super Roshi gets back on training and levels up to be on par with the strongest fighters from other universes, which is why I ranked him there. During Z he’s totally rusty and can’t even hang with Dr Wheelo’s goons - although he is stated to be immortal, and that counts for something.
Post Tournament of Power training, maybe. That def skews it; 'cause now Roshi is the closest human to UI
the saibamen, which are literally just plants that can explode
they’re a powerful race of unstable alien plant dudes that freeza’s soldiers carry around as backup because they’re really strong
Cell Jr which is basically just a stronger saibaman
they’re literally as strong as cell himself, they just don’t seem to be as refined in technique
that means that until gohan got big mad they were roughly tied for strongest lifeform the universe had ever seen (until later arcs retconned that)
Come now, he’s like the third strongest human, and the strongest (Krillin) said at the time that he would have been killed by the saibaman kamikaze too if he wasn’t alerted to it by Yamcha’s death. Also, it’s not like that is in the same dimension as where he is by the end of Z, let alone where he gets in Super, since Dragon Ball is the worst media in the world when it comes to “number go up” power creep.
