This is what happens when you don’t bring the fucking hammer down on violent authoritarian fascists. Who has to die to make it clear that this sack of shit needs to be bound and gagged while his trial proceeds?
The fact that he’s still campaigning with ninety fucking Federal charges against him is absolutely absurd.
Ninety-one. Accuracy is important.
Ah yes, my mistake
It brings the presidential average above 2!
A fellow history enjoyer who does not double count Cleveland.
Well, wouldn’t language have to concede that if I asked how many presidents there have been, I would be asking a different question than how many presidencies there have been?
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Garland would have to care and treats him and other Republicans with kid gloves. The kid whom leaked documents was insta-prison. Yet Trump sold out the entire country and the DOJ is Zz z.
Yeah Snowden is still hiding out in countries that don’t extradite to us. Manning is free, but it’s pretty clear that her time in prison had serious lasting damage to her mind. Both of them had good reasons to leak and did their best to minimize unnecessary damage. Meanwhile this chucklefuck is campaigning and threatening.
If democracy dies it will be because we punished those who broke the rules to strengthen it and defended those who broke the rules to destroy it.
That last sentence is so true that it’s chilling.
If democracy dies it will be because we punished those who broke the rules to strengthen it and defended those who broke the rules to destroy it.
What a bar. We need to get this on a mountain or something.
Playing devils advocate here, Trump has a history of wriggling out of what looked like slam dunk cases against him, and being an ex-president comes with truck loads of political baggage, so the DOJ might just be playing things extra-careful. It would make sense for them to double and triple check everything, dot all their i’s and cross all their t’s, and make sure everything is as utterly airtight as they can make it. The real danger is that they don’t go so slow that the whole thing becomes moot because they took so long that Trump managed to make himself dictator in chief.
It would make sense for them to double and triple check everything, dot all their i’s and cross all their t’s, and make sure everything is as utterly airtight as they can make it.
absolutely. and he got impeached twice, so he’s been playing safe.
The president also is ultimately the head of the “Departments” to include the Dept of Defense. All of the clearances and document classifications exist via presidential authority, so there are some genuine questions as to if a President can snap his fingers and change a classification, and how those rules interact with other laws about unauthorized disclosures. Which is also why Trump getting elected was such a coup for the Russians, as was a strongly Republican Supreme Court (who could bail him out if/when it gets to SCOTUS).
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Exactly. Imagine how the intelligence community would have to treat classified information if it could be declassified purely by a President waking up and thinking “it’s declassified.” Nobody would know what is still classified and what isn’t. Classified information might get leaked out because of a rumor that the President declassified something. Declassified information might still be treated as classified by some because nobody knows what is and what isn’t classified.
There’s a process for a reason. Trump suggesting he can just “think” it declassified is totally ridiculous.
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I’m not defending him, but it much more complicated with a former president and presidential candidate than it is for others. There shouldn’t be two systems, but realistically one could result in civil war and the other is little more than a couple of extra clicks on a website for most people.
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That’s not a problem. Anyone can campaign at any time. That’s totally legal and fine.
What’s absolutely absurd is the level of support he still gets from Republicans! He owns them.
If some former Democrat president did this stuff the support from Democrats for that person would be near zero. No one would consider such a candidacy even remotely within the realm of possibility.
Republicans just don’t give a shit about corruption. Some will see this statement and say, “no, they care about it when it’s not one of their people” but that’s 100% the same thing. Corruption is all about picking winners and losers based on what your side thinks of them.
I mean, we’ve literally already established that overt corruption “just makes you smart.”
This is what republicans are voting for. They are fine with corruption if it means they win.
I’m curious what percentage of republicans actually support him vs what percentage only pretends to support him under duress because of violent threats from the crazies.
It’s tribalism. I went to a racetrack last weekend. These people wave Trump flags and wear profane Brandon shirts to fit in with each other. The madder you are, the “smarter” you are. Another Lemming recently said, the founding father’s failed to anticipate that voters would fail at their job, and he’s 1 million percent dead on.
They anticipated it. That, and classism, are why they instituted The Electoral College. They didn’t have access to the mathematical theories that proved that FPTP elections are always going to cause a two party system, and the people will inevitably lose to the owners. That may have influenced them to consider RCV, or some other voting methods.
And I want to know how many of them are incredibly fucking clueless
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And his cult still carries on. And those traitorous fuckers have the gall to call themselves patriots.
He’s allowed to campaign from prison if convicted, too. Eugene Debs did it, after all. Logistically, I’m not sure how it’d work with a former president. If he’s ever locked up, it’s going to have to be in a supermax, for his own safety. The Unabomber’s old cell in ADX Florence will be the perfect fit for the needs of a former president and fellow Ivy League graduate! But at any rate, there’s no law stopping him from campaigning by mail.
Remember when politicians at the peaks of their careers resigned over a foot in their mouth, a mispronunciation (or spelling potatoe), being exposed for being a dick?
Mf is giving handjobs in front of kids talking about trans pedophiles and she’s not even reprimanded.
Its crazy how much leeway he is getting. Back during the Bush years a guy in my town had a hang bush sign on a cardboard cutout of him hanging from a tree. The dude was arrested and held for “terrorist threats.” The same was not true of similar threats made toward Obama. This was in liberal western Washington. The fascists have always gotten handled with kid gloves in this country and it seriously needs to be addressed if we have any hope of coming out the other side.
Not that I Don’t agree with you and this orange fuck just should not be allowed to be on any form of media or government, Kathy Griffin did some tasteless stuff on Twitter about beheading Trump and wasn’t arrested. It was tasteless but literally everything trump does is classless and tasteless.
Do you have a source for this? I’m not saying you’re lying, that’s just pretty flagrant 1A abuse and I’m curious to read more
I don’t, it was back in like 2002-3 and the local paper doesn’t have their archives up anymore. He ended up having the charges dropped, but months later.
I remember hearing warnings about things like this in the early 2000s,but I never witnessed anything. Post 2001 was a strange time.
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But if we start punishing rich people for crimes, what’s next? Punishing other rich people for their crimes?
Yeah, the only thing the rich truly fear is consequences for their actions.
Daily reminder to fucking kill the rich
Who has to die to make it clear that this sack of shit needs to be bound and gagged while his trial proceeds?
Chairman Milley, obviously. RTFA! \s
Orange shitstain’s record already includes 1M+ Americans dead from his bullshit handling of covid
I’m still amazed this isn’t on billboards everywhere or the topic of some federal investigation. It’s like it never happened.
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Who has to die
Not who…rather what? It seems like it is our democracy is the one that has to die simply because we aren’t willing to absolutely hammer home the point that these fascist fucks are not welcome. Every last one of those J6 people should have been executed in public.
I can’t believe half the country wants to vote for this deranged sleazebag.
From an outside perspective I have been waiting for years for the USA to go “haha gotcha! We pranked the whole world!”.
Please hurry.
Believe me, when this piece of rancid filth ends up behind bars, most of us will be as relieved as you.
Remember, he only won in the first place because our stupid fucking electoral college system screwed the country. Most of us never wanted him, and can’t wait to see him in a jumpsuit that matches his stupid skin.
Believe me, when this piece of rancid filth ends up behind bars, most of us will be as relieved as you.
I won’t be relieved, because at that point there will be thousands (millions?) of irate, brainwashed acolytes who are told that he is an innocent political prisoner, and that their country has turned against them, and the only thing they can do is turn violent and become terrorists.
Oh, that’s certainly worrying. But most of them are Meal Team Six types. They’ll piss and moan about it online, and then find some other stupid thing to be outraged about. Without Trump being in the public eye urging them on, they won’t be able to maintain their hate-boners.
I just pray that if Trump goes down, the justice department suddenly gets a little more feisty with certain “news” outlets.
terminally online cookers basically
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a jumpsuit that matches his stupid skin
Can’t wait to see the news articles about drones smuggling bronzer into his prison.
There was 2.1% difference in popular vote, so still close to 50% of voters who supported him, that’s demoralizing and depressing.
Well, only about two thirds of registered voters turn out. That statistic, minus everyone who couldn’t vote (those under 18, people not registered, resident aliens who haven’t gotten their citizenship yet, the massive number of our citizens who are incarcerated along with all the convicted felons who finished serving their time, etc) and it’s like only 23% of the country wanted him as president… same coin different side only slightly more than 23% wanted someone else.
I mean, when Thomas Paine wrote “What if the British colonies declared independence haha” it was supposed to be a trolly 4chan post, like NO WAY they were actually gonna beat the World’s greatest military force in the 18th century … unless?
Violent, childish, vindictive, deranged sleazebag
I was expecting voters but you went with sleazebag
Conservatives have decided Trump is the person who most accurately represents them.
It’s true, unfortunately. He’s a perfect distillation of Republican attitudes.
The GOP is less than 1/3 the voting population, so your disbelief is understandable and reasonable. The largest voting bloc is independent, by a significant margin. These articles are a bit misleading, as they try to fit everyone into GOP or DEM, but the Gallup poll showed, "Now, political independents (41%) greatly outnumber Republican (28%) and Democratic (28%) identifiers."
https://news.gallup.com/poll/467897/party-preferences-evenly-split-2022-shift-gop.aspx
https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/poll-largest-percentage-americans-independents/
https://www.axios.com/2023/04/17/poll-americans-independent-republican-democrat
The largest voting bloc is independent, by a significant margin
If “Left Blank” was a candidate in the 2016 election it would have beaten Trump and Hilary in several states.
Which is also a sign of how hilariously unpopular the Hil-Dog was.
Are you confusing blank for not voting? Because only 1.7M people left their ballot blank. That’s different from not voting.
It’s hard to make judgments about non voters, by nature of how they didn’t vote. Some didn’t vote because they disliked Clinton, yes, but many others didn’t vote because they simply don’t care what happens, they think it won’t make a difference, their state is overwhelmingly in favour of one party (whether or not they support it), voting feels too difficult, to protest, because they’re lazy, or many other reasons.
Independent just means republican that can feel shame.
Or a Democrat that holds a conservative position (like a anti-abortion dem)
“Independent” doesn’t mean that much. It’s a self applied label that is detached from now they actually vote. There’s plenty of people who consistently vote for only one party and call themselves independents, but for the purpose of discussions like this, they aren’t. When people talk about republicans in contexts like this, they don’t mean registered republicans or “self labeled republicans”. They mean people who support and especially people who vote for republicans.
Being less than 1/3 of the population is also kinda misleading when only 2/3 of the population even care enough to vote. Sure, it’s technically 1/3, but for all intents and purposes, it’s half. The 1/3 who don’t vote don’t matter. It doesn’t help people who are fighting for their rights that “technically, only 1/3 of the country support a lunatic”. By not voting, that 1/3 politically doesn’t exist. So it’s effectively half the country supporting Trump.
(There’s something to be said about how a good chunk of non voters are effectively supporting Trump by not voting even when things are this extreme, too. But it’s really hard to make assumptions about why people don’t vote, so I don’t think it’s worth focusing on except for the purpose of getting people to vote.)
The non-voters still matter because they can still choose to vote. They’re important and mobilizing them can make a difference.
It’s really more like somewhere between a quarter and a third of the country, not half, but that’s still too damn high. I’m still hoping that Trump gets removed from a bunch of ballots in some states and not others and effectively splits the GOP in half. Even with the abysmal voter turnout the DNC usually garners even they should be able to beat someone only getting 25% of the votes, and maybe they’ll manage to drag some congress critters and senators into the conservative civil war as well opening the possibility for a DNC majority of congress and the senate on top of a Democrat president. It would be the first time in literal decades that things could actually get done without the GOP throwing sand in the gears.
Its more like less than 25% of the country. 50% of the eligible voters in the US don’t vote for anyone.
Because they’re just like him.
half the voting population of the country. i don’t really know a good gauge for how much of the full population wants to vote for him. honestly, the version of conservatism that holds power right now could probably be defeated if everyone voted.
Right, it works out to something ridiculous like only 17%. Besides a more engaged populace, it sure would help to have more mail-in (and look at all the Republican bullshit about that), a day off for Election Day, and for voter suppression to not be so rampant.
Unfortunately a day off, while I’m not against it, wouldn’t make as big a difference as folks would like as the kinds of jobs already keeping people away from the polls would likely still be open.
When you’re white, your boss doesn’t mind you taking off work for 10 minutes to vote. When you’re a minority, your boss probably has a problem with you taking off 4 hours to go vote.
And I’m not saying anything bad about minorities, I’m only pointing out how politicians make it very difficult for minorities to vote. You always hear about the polling location at the black side of town gets moved downtown where they have to pay to park, or even find a way to get down there, and then there’s only 1 machine for an entire voting precinct to share.
I have a lot of black friends and it’s hard to look them in the face with how badly they still get treated. In 2023! When I was a kid you’d sometimes hear somebody say something racist, but most Americans have no problem with race. We are warm, friendly people and we love and respect our neighbors. But holy crap, some people just can’t let go of their “racial pride.” No, the Jews aren’t going to replace you, because they aren’t trying to. Your religion isn’t under attack. Nobody is committing a white genocide. How is this so hard to understand? Stop hating people for no reason. If you allow that hate to fester, next you’re making up ridiculous false stories to back up your claims. Learn to live with people who are different than you. And live to learn from those people.
What makes you think that the “voting population” is some entirely unrepresentative subset?
Because that would be a biased subset. That’s not how statistics works. I’m not saying it can’t be, just that statistically we don’t have evidence of it.
This is yet another example of terroristic threats against federal officials. The FBI really should get on that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threatening_government_officials_of_the_United_States
Since we’re adding wiki articles, this sort of threat feeds into the idea of Stochastic Terrorism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism
credit to @sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz who posted it before
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“Floats the idea”, as if this were just a normal idea that any prospective president might ask around about.
All the sanatized language makes me wonder if there’s a rule against saying someone is “absolutely out of their mind” in a headline.
“Insane Former President Wants to Execute Military Officer for Personal Reasons”
Those terms make it sound like clickbait. “Insane former president wants to put this BANNED topping on his food!” (Spoiler: ketchup on a hot dog in Chicago)
Gotta dial it back these days even though your titles are 100% accurate.
John Kerry lost to Bush because he’s an elitist that put swiss cheese on a Philly cheese steak…
Never forget Howard Dean and his infamous yell. Oh how the Republican Party has fallen.
Please clap.
Oh, it’s just like when I floated the idea that we should go out for drinks this weekend. No biggy. Just a little execution. I understand if you’d rather do it next weekend instead.
Should be “touts”. Because he’s promoting it, and because he’s a tout.
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Bingo
We will never be so lucky.
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He’s a lying, narcissistic, fat sack of shit with the mental horizon of a 3 year old. People mistake that as confidence and professionalism.
I don’t understand either, and it worries me that someone as patently fake as Trump can dupe 50% of the electorate - what hope when there’s an actual firebrand populist who’s not a lifetime fraud comes along to drag the party further to fascism?
we’re lucky the fascists have trump and desantis in the lead, tbh.
It’s easy to understand. Because votes. People just adore and worship him because he will enact revenge and retribution on perceived and targeted enemies who are allegedly making their lives miserable, rather than being exploited by corporate America, making bad life choices, and/or following their nationalist, racist, xenophobic, and misogynistic ideology which distorts reality. You support Trump, you get his knuckle-dragging horde of idiot voters automatically, with little to no effort.
“Russian hookers” being a Czech and Slovene. You just triggered the entirety of Eastern Europe.
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Same shit really.
You do realise it’s like saying that Swedes and Germans are the same? Or Spaniards, Italians and the French? Just because they belong to the same family of languages doesn’t mean they have much else in common.
Not really, those countries have their own unique histories and cultures.
Jk jk.
But they are like the same shit.
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Although I will say it being the same shit in no way gives any of these countries any right or authority to try and conquer any of the others. They aren’t literally the same.
You know, 10 years ago I might have said Ukraine and Russia were the same shit, but would never have meant it in such a way as to undermine either country’s inherent right to self determination, free of belligerent neighbors. I just mean the hookers from each place are the same shit.
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Because his base is dedicated and significant in numbers. If the other republican politicians lost that republican bloc, they won’t win elections.
I don’t understand how this man is not in prison. This shit is fucked.
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If he was being tried in any other district than the one he is in Florida, it would be beyond easy and the trial would be a formality.
But Cannon absolutely can just let him off the hook. That’s pretty much his only option left, and if that happens, then there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
There’s also the DC case and the Georgia case. He’s highly unlikely to wriggle out of all three. By this time next year, the Republicans could have a convicted felon as their nominee.
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Obama did an extrajudicial killing by drone of Anwar al-Awlaki, a US citizen who was (allegedly) an Islamist stochastic terrorist. Obama also murdered his 16 year old son as collateral damage in the assassination of al-Awlaki by drone. Seems to me there’s laws on the books banning stochastic terrorism if you’re a Muslim. Also if you’re black, see the MOVE bombing and Fred Hampton.
Stochastic terrorism is only legal if you’re a white supremacist or a neo-Nazi.
Well, extrajudicial would imply not legal. What you’re really pointing to is that when white supremacists are involved, somehow the government suddenly cares about due process and civil rights.
Because those groups have lawyers.
Terrorism is legal in America if you put a ® before your name.
They did do 9/11, after all.
We all know this a wish list to be fulfilled by his bat-shit crazy cult.
Death thread against a federal employee? And everyone is fine with that?
He just Floated the idea, its not like he actually,um-Quick, Buzz, Biden Jr’s Laptop!!!
Just asking questions!
You see silly only when a liberal makes a joke about it is it serious! But it’s ok if you’re a Republican.
Just playing to their audience. Which is the scary part.
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Did you? – paywall bypassed link.
Late Friday night, the former president of the United States—and a leading candidate to be the next president—insinuated that America’s top general deserves to be put to death.
That extraordinary sentence would be unthinkable in any other rich democracy. But Donald Trump, on his social-media network, Truth Social, wrote that Mark Milley’s phone call to reassure China in the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol on January 6, 2021, was “an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH.”
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Trump loves to hide behind the thin veneer of plausible deniability, but he knows exactly what he’s doing. If a mob boss were to say, “In times gone by, people like you would have had their legs broken,” nobody would mistake that for a historical observation. The suggestion is clear, and it comes from a man who has one of America’s loudest megaphones—one that is directed squarely at millions of extremists who are well armed, who insist that the government is illegitimate, and who believe that people like Milley are part of a “deep state” plot against the country.
You really fooled by that thin of a veil?
Good ol’ stochastic terrorism. An almost textbook example.
So fucking tired of this guy. And the asshat is not even in office. I sure hope this total loser does not “win” again. I’m not sure our country will survive this time.
If he runs, it’s going to be close
Idk he got a lot of people’s votes in 2016 for curiosity sake, although I do personally believe that election had interference*. But I guess I don’t personally know anyone who was a fan and changed their mind. I just know ppl who were mild during elections and to varying degrees became more and more indoctrinated. And after elections and especially 1/6 they are a lot less vocal. Lots of his voter base died during the pandemic and a lot of the much more progressive youth became voting age or will be motivated to vote after all that.
In all honesty I’m more concerned with DeSantis atm but maybe I shouldn’t be? Idk as much about him as I do trump and I tend to not follow elections news. He scares me because he is like trump but young and doesn’t look like a melting wax statue (and the republican party cares a lot about looks until it is inconvenient for them.) He has so much more potential to be a constant thorn in our government for decades due to all of this.
* I actually believe the 2020 election was intereferred with too, but in republican favor and they still lost and that’s why it was so unbelievable. That’s my fun personal conspiracy theory, since no one asked.
I know a couple of idiots who voted for Trump in 2016 because they thought it was funny, but they have realized they were idiots, admitted they were idiots, and have changed their ways.
Election fraud is reported publicly, so you can look it up. And it happens on both sides, but the last several cycles had started to skew to the right showing that Republicans are more likely to commit the sort of voting fraud that they can catch.
I’ll show you my receipts. For what I admitted is my personal fun theory of conspiracy but since you’re saying the whole both sides thing,. here’s a .gov site that details some of the aspects of interference I believe happened.
I’d love to see your receipts for how or when it happens with democrats? Or did you mean average civilians committing it?
And then silence…
Ah no, full time job, 12+ hr shifts. Not many poop breaks to chat on.
I’m not saying “the whole both sides thing” the way you are obviously reading that. I’m saying that if you look into individual convictions, you will find people on both sides. And I don’t have a source, I’m a ding dong at work. I’m only parroting something I read once a while ago. I’d be happy to abandon this hill. I had no idea I was throwing a gauntlet. I thought I was participating in a conversation.
And thanks for the link, I’ll check it out.
Fact-check before you comment, next time. The internet is filled with uninformed opinions already, don’t add to the noise.
I guess I’m confused. Firstly, I don’t understand why you’re so adversarial. Did I say something offensive? I was trying to be helpful in supporting your theory. Maybe you could find a pattern out of what we already can confirm, who knows? Second, I didn’t dispute anything you said, and I didn’t make any claims that a tertiary search can’t at least be relatively consistent with. If you search election fraud convictions there are several articles reporting on just that. Heritage has a report out covering the last 20 years. So what did I say that was so erroneous that you think I should have “fact-checked”?
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Biden has no challenger and people will still try to say the game isn’t rigged.
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Ew. I’m not surprised. YouTube gives me scientology ads that are specifically like “gosh guise u just heard some nasty rumors. Don’t believe what you hear! We help the ppl!”
Google is an ad agency built on a search engines corpse they continue to defile.
Thats wtf.
But Donald Trump, on his social-media network, Truth Social, wrote that Mark Milley’s phone call to reassure China in the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol on January 6, 2021, was “an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH.”
What does ”in times gone by” (emphasis mine) mean in this context?
He’s doing the old fascist thing of reminiscing about the good old days that never existed.
Why do I even bother trying to make sense of any of it? sigh
A time that has already passed. The olden days. The before-fore times.
Basically, he is using words that are supposed to sound like he is from Downton Abbey or some shit.
I have a theory that he doesn’t write half the shit on his social media site. The same with exTwitter, when he was still on that platform.
Thanks for your response, but I must admit I’m still confused. I’m assuming he’s referring from some time after the US was an official country, since what he’s referring to (or the equivalent of) would still be relevant in some countries today (North Korea, China, Russia, etc).
I was assuming the US since ~ 1784 or so, and I still cannot figure out when Milley’s actions (or the equivalent) would have warranted the death penalty…unless he’s just making shit up again, which is also completely plausible of course.
You are thinking too deep into it, unfortunately.
The past was “always a better time”. It doesn’t matter when. People generally tend to only remember the best of the past and that can be exploited. Remember his main theme is “make america great again”
Edit: What I mean by “exploited” is that memories of the past are more malleable than people realize. If you start to infect people’s memories with stories of things that didn’t actually happen, they probably will start to believe those things did happen. The older the person and the older the memories, the more exploitable they are. If you are dealing with a younger person, you can get them to believe things that never actually happened at all. Basically, they start believe stories of the past as a future dream.
Do you know how older people sometimes like to start sentences with “Back in my day…”? Same concept.
One of my favorite things to do was question maga people about what past are they trying to re-live again? What was this magical past they are always talking about? The Cuban Missile Crisis? The oil shortages of during the 80’s? Lack of advanced medical care? World War 2? Slavery? Mass segregation? What exactly are they trying to make great again?
The problem is, Trump probably believes his past was better as well. It’s a common human flaw.
Edit: This song was from 1989. Different times, same shit: https://youtu.be/eFTLKWw542g?si=6cYpHc7jyGxPDE9O
Okay, this helps, thank you. And it’s not surprising that I’m thinking too deeply about it- I have a tendency to do that with everything, which is annoying as hell to friends and family.
Thank you for taking the time to explain it all, I do appreciate it :)
Back to the days of witch trials and neighbors fabricating evidence against neighbors to save their own skin. You know, back when America was Great.
Okay…so in a time when the US wasn’t even a country, which obviously makes no sense, but for him that’s par for the course. Thank you!
Yep. It doesn’t make any sense when you look just a little bit under the surface.
will nobody rid me of this turbulent priest?
That’s what’s being said here.
Has no one told him that what he wants is irrelevant?
Never to his face.
Except the people he incites to violence and bigotry.
Its a nice reminder of just what the Trump Presidency was actually like. Just pure chaos and impulse.
Exceptionally stressful time for our nation and people.
Not just yer own mate. Seemed the entire world media was fixated daily on it for 4 years. The Biden admin is a Godsend if for nothing else then just to not hear the incessant reporting and infatuation of Trumps Tweets
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Floats the idea of ExecutingCalls for Volunteers to Murder Joint Chiefs Chairman Milleyfixed it
