The genocide is still ongoing and many things are still developing in Palestine, but we are removing the limitation on only posting things related to the operation Flood of Al-Aqsa to this thread, you can now freely post over Lemmygrad again.

Please don’t stop talking about Palestine.

Due to popular demand, please keep all posts about the operation to this megathread, sitewide.

  • Idliketothinkimsmart@lemmygrad.ml
    28·
    10 months ago

    The city of Oakland just passed a resolution to call for a ceasefire :). The city council members had attempted to include an amendment that would’ve condemned Hamas, but comrades and local citizens had quite a bit to say about that during a speak in session. Very impassioned and kind people, with a few nasty zionists in between.

    Some zionist from the ADL claimed that someone behind her said “Heil Hitler” (referring to the pro-palestinian people ofc), and newsflash, no one said that at all 😂. At one point, a member went on about the sacrifice of Isaac and Ishmael when it came time to vote on the resolution???

  • Hagels_Bagels@lemmygrad.ml
    19·
    10 months ago

    Yesterday I saw Motaz’s Instagram reel. He was in Deir Al Balah, where he filmed the aftermath of an intense Israeli attack. I have seen graphic images and videos from the war in Syria, from the war on Gaza in 2014, and from earlier in the 2023 Gaza genocide. I can’t remember ever seeing footage worse and more heart-wrenching than what Motaz posted.

    I will write this from my memory. I think in those few minutes there were at least 10 casualties shown. The start of the video is the recovery of only a severed hand from a smouldering pile of metal. Building(s) were levelled and blown open, and ash and concrete dust were everywhere. Someone got blown backwards onto what I think was a tree and died with his lower body in the air and a piece of shrapnel penetrated his crown/skull, so fluid from his brain and the rest of his body was pulled down behind him. I saw someone still alive brought onto a mattress with shrapnel penetrating his leg, the top of his leg bone snapped, it left and re-entered his skin through the open wound as he readjusted himself. I saw this also happen to a young girl in Gaza weeks ago.

    I think I remember 3 or more dead children being brought out from under rubble, and more dead adults. A bunch of cars were on fire. I saw someone say the death toll from that specific massacre was 43 at the time, now put at 60-70.

    CW: [1] [2] [3]

    This was in the south of the Gaza Strip, where they were initially told by the occupation army that they would be safe. Predictably, they have now extended the line even further, and the occupation is now attacking Khan Younis, dropping more leaflets in the sky. The aim of these leaflets is to spread terror and attack any feeling of safety that the people of the Gaza Strip might still have in their homeland. The same strategy which was used by the Zionist forces to carry out the first Nakba. In the West Bank Israel flew quadcopters equipped with speakers to fly up to Palestinian people and say in Arabic “We are at war, don’t try to resist us or else we will reach you and your children, and kill you.” or something like that according to translations I’ve seen people make. The thousands of massacres committed by Israel should prove to everyone that they don’t care about humanitarianism. Apparently, yesterday was the heaviest day of fighting according to an IDF commander.

    In conclusion, the only place within the Gaza Strip where a Palestinian is maybe permitted the right to life at this time, by the occupation army, is Rafah, and the areas around Rafah. This is in line with Zionist policy as shown by the document released by WikiLeaks. Push everyone further south and then into the Sinai desert, and murder everyone else who refuses to leave with starvation, thirst, bombs and bullets. Not a single major Western leader, to my knowledge, has even said a word against this genocide committed by their ally. Not even speak when they pretend to care about an issue, as politicians often do.

    The ICC must face a huge amount of pressure to investigate and attempt to prosecute these crimes against humanity after this is over and everyone in the Gaza Strip is in exile in what might become the world’s largest refugee camp. What other country would willingly submit and comply with the ICC if they refuse to punish the USA’s biggest ally after committing the crime of genocide? What mandate will they have left if they prove themselves to that extent not to be apolitical?

    My worry is that the Sisi regime will hesitate to accept the diaspora created by the occupation and that the Zionists will make an example of the Palestinians already funnelled into Rafah in order to place huge pressure on Egypt.

    My other worries were that Hezbollah would also face huge pressure to escalate its attacks on Israel if/when this happens. Perhaps the commentators who say that Hezbollah exists primarily to defend Lebanon and that it isn’t equipped to wage a massive war with Israel are right. I’m not the most informed person about whether there is a prospect of a larger escalation. I have seen stories over this year predicting a major economic financial crisis next year. What got Western countries out of the great depression was the military production of the Second World War. I hope my thinking is just misguided alarmism.

    I had to leave my thoughts here. I don’t know what I could have done which would have made any difference to this.

    Edit: Immediately after posting this, I learned that the UN Secretary-General António Guterres just invoked Article 99 of the UN Charter.

    The Secretary-General may bring to the attention of the Security Council any matter which in his opinion may threaten the maintenance of international peace and security.

  • Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml
    18·
    1 year ago

    The zionists funneled the residents of Gaza at the Egyptian border, telling them that’s where they were allowed to escape.

    Then they bombed it.

    The world is literally watching a holocaust happen. Not just reading about it like in the 40s. But watching it. And liberals are either ignoring it or standing with the ones perpetrating it.

    Not a single person who stands with Israel should be allowed to forget what they supported.

    • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      17·
      1 year ago

      Not just reading about it like in the 40s. But watching it. And liberals are either ignoring it or standing with the ones perpetrating it.

      They did the same exact thing almost a century ago. It was the Red Army who brought the Holocaust to an end, not the West.

        • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
          5·
          1 year ago

          One of the saddest facts that you can learn as communist about the history of the Palestinian occupation is that the settler colonial army was as successful as it was during the first few decades of its existence thanks to incorporating a large number of Red Army veterans with experience conducting operations on the eastern front in WW2…

      • proletarian_girlboss@lemmygrad.ml
        6·
        1 year ago

        The music festival was one of the most egregious displays of “civilian” settler disregard for Palestinian life I think is even possible. A literal rave on stolen land next to the concetration camp filled with the people they stole that land from. And that is what western media uses as anti-resistance atrocity propaganda.

        • Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml
          5·
          1 year ago

          Read a few interviews from their perspective too. They were all warned that militants broke out of Gaza a few miles away. The audacity to party right next to an open-air concentration camp is one thing. But they also knew there were violent disturbances.

          Can’t find the exact article at the moment, so feel free to help me out, but one survivor was quoted saying “This stuff happens there all the time.”

          Tinfoil time, but part of me almost suspects that the threat of an attack on the festival could have been underplayed by the IDF, just so they could have propaganda fodder.

    • Mana@lemmygrad.ml
      51·
      11 months ago

      USian here. I have never been more ashamed of this country. If this leads to a larger conflict i would like to live in another country to be on the receiving end rather than fight for this atrocious empire.

  • Comrade_J@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    18·
    10 months ago

    My thoughts on Israel’s plan. Given their complete collapse into genocidal fascism:

    • Humiliate Muslim nations. If Muslim nations don’t respond Israel will have set a new paradigm where they know they can do anything they like and there’s no precedent for intervention. Then, use that to expand into the Sinai and Jordan, possibly more.

    • If there is intervention: go nuclear. The US might think it will benefit from a contained nuclear conflict by testing out strategies of containing a nuclear conflict. Israel may think it will benefit by restoring the possibility of nuclear war and use that to expand into the Sinai and Jordan, possibly more.

    I really think it’s a mistake to not do an oil blockade. The surrounding Arab nations are sealing their fate and will come to regret acting in self interest today.

    • Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml
      9·
      10 months ago

      I disagree only because either way you slice it there’s no defending your actions at that point. Israel won’t be able to claim self defense if they start a world war or drop a nuke somewhere. I don’t know what the pushback would be but the paradigm of the entire world would change.

      • Comrade_J@lemmygrad.ml
        10·
        10 months ago

        I mean, the U.S. invaded Iraq and Afghanistan with effectively zero pushback or consequences. I think Israel, backed by the U.S., is in the process of creating such a paradigm shift for itself.

  • DankZedong @lemmygrad.ml
    17·
    10 months ago

    There are vids popping up of Israel rounding up Palestinian men, stripping them and transporting them elsewhere. Reports are that they are being executed and dumped into mass graves. Anyone got more on this?

    • Hagels_Bagels@lemmygrad.ml
      8·
      10 months ago

      My comment probably contains information most readers already know about. I saw an account which geolocated the place where they were abducted from (Jabalya, north Gaza city) and I also saw a tweet giving some names of the people pictured. I haven’t seen anything confirming with 100% certainty that they were murdered. However, it seems implicit that they were murdered, given that the image circulating is of tens of people kneeling blindfolded in lines on the ground in what looks like a large excavated place in front of a hole.

      Main Zionist accounts are disseminating that they are all Hamas members (from the tunnels they flooded?) although I’ve seen multiple posts claim that they were abducted from a UN building. Zio-fascists also say it’s normal to strip people naked to check they don’t have suicide vests or weapons, and that stripping people naked is necessary to identify Hamas members. And that the photo which appears to be a mass grave is actually just a facility to process terrorists? It is a large open area with no wall or fence. It’s just the usual disinformation crap.

      It must be pretty clear from this level of dehumanisation that this is a genocide. All these images are taken by occupation forces and published as propaganda. They’re not trying to hide it - their view is that this is a win.

      I rediscovered this comment from lemmy.world on October 9. Kinda speaks for itself about how the narrative changes. I’m not trying to brigade.

      • Rania 🇩🇿🏳️‍⚧️@lemmygrad.ml
        6·
        10 months ago

        I rediscovered this comment from lemmy.world on October 9. Kinda speaks for itself about how the narrative changes. I’m not trying to brigade.

        She was not even naked, they just found her with revealing clothes at the party

        • Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml
          5·
          10 months ago

          That was one of my initial reactions I had to the imediate Western coverage of Oct.7th. Seeing all of the “various states of undress” repeated ad nauseum in articles.

          They were at an EDM festival. Literally the majority of people who go to EDM festivals are either naked or underdressed. That alone is not any hard proof that sexual assault took place.

  • Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml
    15·
    10 months ago

    IOF entered Shadia Abu Ghazala school, removed the men and shot the sheltering women and children execution-style.

    Common Dreams article

    Pray there is a hell so that colonizers have a place to go to meet their justice.

      • FamousPlan101@lemmygrad.ml
        10·
        9 months ago

        They also announced their withdrawal from this operation but they have some other operations to “maintain security imperialism”

        France’s Defence Ministry said it supported efforts to secure freedom of navigation in the Red Sea and surrounding area and said it already operated in the region.

        Italy’s Defence Ministry said it would send naval frigate Virginio Fasan to the Red Sea to protect its national interests in response to specific requests made by Italian shipowners.

        Operation Atalanta, set up by European Union Naval Force Somalia (EUNAVFOR), operates off the Horn of Africa and in the Western Indian Ocean to support U.N. resolutions to protect the seas from piracy. Its headquarters is in Spain.

        Operation Agenor is a European-led operation which aims to guarantee freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz, a major shipping lane for oil exports from Gulf states.

  • Looming mountain@lemmygrad.ml
    13·
    10 months ago

    Belgian (Flemish) regional TV is grasping at straws to depict the time of the hostages as horrible, but all they can come up with is stuff like

    • Long waiting lines for the bathroom
    • uncomfortable sleeping places
    • stress
    • irregular food diatribution (regular gazans are surviving on two pieces of bread per day, thank you Israel)
    • they released a little girl but not her mother (this one is a bit shitty)
    • boredom…

    They are framing this as if it’s almost worse than the terror that Gaza has to endure for the past months and years. And then one throwaway line about how Israel has captured more people in West Bank than they released in Gaza. Because that doesn’t matter. Never any mention about horrible atrocities IDF commits or how it treats those hostages (also framed as prisoners, which again so different)

    I’m so tired of this bullshit.