The Hamas-run Health Ministry in the Gaza Strip says at least 500 people have been killed in an explosion that it says was caused by an Israeli airstrike.
Updated: Israel denies involvement in deadly Gaza hospital blast, says explosion caused by Islamic Jihad
How many more civilians need to die for the Western democracies to start openly condemning Israel. This is making me so sick. And it shows the double standards that we have.
And I am tired of hearing that Israel has the right to defend themselves, this doesn’t give them the right to cause humanitarian catastrophe, displace hundreds of thousands and kill a disproportionate number of people.
A right to self-defense is not a blank check to commit war crimes.
And the Western governments are being so hypocritical, that we are attracting the anger of a billion Muslims and others who sympathize with the Palestinians.
We are risking the safety of our own civilians by supporting the war crimes by an apartheid state. And it brings us no benefit, at all.
This madness has to stop. We should be neutral and stop supporting apartheid in Israel. Condemn terrorism by Hamas and war crimes by Israel, but stop supporting Israel and let them figure it out with their Arab neighbours.
If Israel really wanted protection they would offer a peace treaty and guarantees to not take any more land with Gaza if Palestinians handed over every member of Hamas for prosecution / imprisonment / execution.
But they want that land so they don’t care how many civilians deaths it takes, they like having Hamas there because it provides them excuses.
Seems like you like having Hamas there because it gives you an excuse to attack Israel. You’re literally supporting terrorists who would kill you without hesitation.
This is a catastrophically bad take on what they said. Condemnation of Israeli war crimes does not equal antisemitism or an endorsement of Hamas. You can abhor Hamas and Israeli war crimes at the same time, the two are not mutually exclusive.
The comment I was replying to literally said Israel was doing all this so they could take the Gaza land from the Palestinians using Hamas as an excuse. That’s not condemnation, that’s inventing a reason to hate Israel.
It is a fact that Israel under Netanyahu empowered and propped up Hamas. An indisputable fact. Thus a logical argument can be made that Israel stood to benefit from Hamas in power. Not sure what’s made up about that.
Again, criticism of Israel does not equal hatred of Israel or antisemitism in any way. It’s a bad faith argument to act like they’re the same.
And again, Hamas is completely responsible for their own actions, no matter who they’re taking money from. It’s like saying the U.S. is responsible for war crimes because they’ve given money to Israel. The actors in the scene are responsible for what they do. In the context of the user I was replying to, they clearly stated Israel is supporting Hamas so they can take Gaza for themselves. That’s what I disputed. That’s not criticism, it’s manufactured.
Bibbi outright said Hamas was good for Israel. It’s hilarious you’re calling people sheep when you buy every single piece of propaganda coming from Israel. History matters, context matters. Don’t have an open air concentration camp outside “your city” and your neighbors would like you better. Stop excusing war crimes cause the perpetrators are on your side.
They’re not arguing in good faith, they’re just trying to recontextualize the argument to you defending Hamas and then equating that israel’s response is a just and proper revenge. There’s a bunch of accounts pulling this same shtick all over lemmy recently.
Ah, Israel made the terrorists and it’s Israel’s fault the terrorists attack them. And, what? Israel should allow the terrorists to exist because it’s Israel’s fault? You realize you’re excusing terrorists that would kill you without hesitation? That’s what you’re defending.
It is sad, what Hamas did to Israel. Brutalized children. Raped parents. Uploading it to their Facebook. Do you demand Israel continue to live that way? Do you demand they live under 100s of rockets per day launched at them? Because the alternative is dead Palestinians?
That’s a nice article. It doesn’t matter what Netanyahu did or supported, because fundamentally the terrorists are responsible for their own actions. You can’t say Israel gave money to Hamas, so it’s Israel’s fault they were attacked. Hamas is responsible for deciding to carry out the attack, no matter who they were taking money from. That’s how responsibility works. And, because of what Hamas did, Israel is right to defend itself.
There’s already been 2 terrorist attacks in Europe and based on the evacuations of public spaces in France it seems like it’s only the start. I’m not sure if it’s all because of the war (the attack in Brussels seems to be more related to ISIS according to the news) but it sure seems like it’s gotten a lot more frequent since it really kicked off last week.
let them figure it out with their Arab neighbours.
I have a bad feeling that would result in… Well, more obvious genocide than is currently happening. I think the only reason Israel hasn’t already turned all of Gaza into a smoking crater is because they would become a pariah in the international community.
Not that there are better options, and fwiw it’s probably the correct thing to do overall, I’m just worried about the consequences.
OK so taking the fact that Hamas hides themselves and their equipment at places that will force killing civilians to clear targets out, what would you do instead? How would you do it so their attacks would stop, beside alerting civilians and then remove intelled targets (both top org people and equipment)?
In my inexpert eyes, I don’t think group troops will help much because all the info about targets IDF has will become outdated as Hamas will move everything they can. And even if they wouldn’t, letting troops fighting at a foreign place, that the enemy has control at and can prepare amushes and traps at will risk more lives than letting civilians the chance to reposition and live (I don’t take into account the building that gets destroyed, its sad but not worth sacrificing lives for IMO, and that can be fixed with money), and from past lessons (more resources online obviously) I wouldn’t be suprised if Hamas will just use civilians as cover. Ground troops enterance won’t mean no civilian casuallties, Hamas makes sure of it, that’s part of how they get sempathy and support (such a disgusting act, It’s not even about what they’re fighting for at this point. Who acts like that??). And of course that’ll open the option Hamas waiting for the most, kidnapping soldiers.
How much propoganda do you need to read before you’re ready to attack Israel? Apparently, not much. Israel has already declared they didn’t do this attack and it was a failed Jihadist missile. Which would you believe, that a nation that has been warning people to evacuate and shown more restraint than any other nation would have by not flattening Gaza, or a literal terrorist organization known for bombing their own citizens? Who is more trustworthy there. You’re drinking the kool-aid and it’s time to put the cup down.
Agreed. This is a great way for Israel to lose international support and gain more enemies. It’s not … ‘justifiable’ (that word is doing a lot of work) as a part of taking down Hamas.
That’s fine, but that’s not what’s happening in this thread. Plenty of people are quite willing to jump to blame Israel. I am perfectly fine blaming Hamas, the terrorist organization known for attacking its own citizens and blaming Israel. This is exactly out of their play book. Israel gains nothing but condemnation for attacking a hospital and given the restraint they’ve shown so far towards Gaza, it’s simply more likely Hamas than Israel did this.
This is exactly out of Israel’s playbook as well though, they attacked the very same hospital just within the week. “Restraint” towards Gaza? Last I heard there were over 6000 strikes launched by Israel, leveling whole villages, killing entire families. Over 2000 people killed inside Palestine after the first night of retaliation by Israel, striking numerous apartment blocks, hospitals and schools. I doubt anything will change your mind about the righteousness of Israel but I just want to point this out in case anyone thinks you have a good point.
And any other nation would have destroyed the whole Gaza strip after the first few 1000 rockets that were launched at them. What Israel continues to show is a measured restraint unlike any other nation.
Has Gaza been destroyed yet? That’s restraint. Cry all you want, Israel isn’t the terrorists you make them out to be. The terrorists are the literal terrorist organization with a stated mission to kill all Jews. Are you supporting that?
Oh, I don’t have any problem blaming whoever is responsible. The facts will bear out. I’m just saying, factually, this event fits much more in the Hamas playbook than in Israel’s. Do you disagree? Again, Hamas is known for attacking their citizens and blaming Israel, while Isreal has shown more restraint towards Gaza than any other nation would have.
No. I do not agree. Israel are not the good guys here neither is Hamas.
Israel is also known for killing civilians, journalists, and bombing non military targets.
I do not give either side the benefit of doubt based on their history of behavior. Both sides have/are committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.
That’s fine. You realize we’re dealing with a terrorist organization known for killing its own citizens? They’d kill you without hesitation if they thought it would benefit them. Who gains more from bombing this hospital? Hamas, if they manage to successfully blame Israel? Or Israel? Obviously, it’s hamas that has more to gain.
I’m done reading your propaganda attempts. I’d not be surprised if you are employees by the IDF with your extreme adversity to saying anything negative about Israel.
Have fun trying to propagandize others. I’m done with it.
Edit: Notice how they did not respond to my comment. They simply posted more in support of Israel. This person is a propagandist.
Ugh, what restraint are you talking about? By stopping the electricity, water and food to Gaza, or by forcefully displacing hundreds of thousands or by flattening a whole residential neighbourhood.
I am not defending Hamas, in a perfect world they wouldn’t exist and I would be happy if they are gone forever, but the way Israel is treating Palestinians both in Gaza and in the West bank isn’t exactly a recipe for long lasting peace.
You can’t expect that people would just tolerate whatever shit you give them and there won’t be dissent voices, and radicalization. And don’t start that this is only happening on the Palestinian side, because a lot of Palestinians were simply killed by Israeli settlers.
Both nations are victims of their own propaganda, and it is religion and politics that divide us as humanity. For me everyone deserves a decent life, no matter the skin colour, religious belief or nation, full stop.
It doesn’t matter what Hamas or Palestine does. If they kill everyone in Israel people would cheer for them and perhaps in a sidenote claim “Sucks for the civilians, but yay Palestine!”.
I wonder if they still cheer when the area is under Palestinian control with everything that comes with it. Goodbye LGBTQ and women’s rights.
How many more civilians need to die for the Western democracies to start openly condemning Israel. This is making me so sick. And it shows the double standards that we have.
And I am tired of hearing that Israel has the right to defend themselves, this doesn’t give them the right to cause humanitarian catastrophe, displace hundreds of thousands and kill a disproportionate number of people.
A right to self-defense is not a blank check to commit war crimes.
And the Western governments are being so hypocritical, that we are attracting the anger of a billion Muslims and others who sympathize with the Palestinians.
We are risking the safety of our own civilians by supporting the war crimes by an apartheid state. And it brings us no benefit, at all.
This madness has to stop. We should be neutral and stop supporting apartheid in Israel. Condemn terrorism by Hamas and war crimes by Israel, but stop supporting Israel and let them figure it out with their Arab neighbours.
If Israel really wanted protection they would offer a peace treaty and guarantees to not take any more land with Gaza if Palestinians handed over every member of Hamas for prosecution / imprisonment / execution.
But they want that land so they don’t care how many civilians deaths it takes, they like having Hamas there because it provides them excuses.
Seems like you like having Hamas there because it gives you an excuse to attack Israel. You’re literally supporting terrorists who would kill you without hesitation.
This is a catastrophically bad take on what they said. Condemnation of Israeli war crimes does not equal antisemitism or an endorsement of Hamas. You can abhor Hamas and Israeli war crimes at the same time, the two are not mutually exclusive.
But I suspect you already knew that.
The comment I was replying to literally said Israel was doing all this so they could take the Gaza land from the Palestinians using Hamas as an excuse. That’s not condemnation, that’s inventing a reason to hate Israel.
It is a fact that Israel under Netanyahu empowered and propped up Hamas. An indisputable fact. Thus a logical argument can be made that Israel stood to benefit from Hamas in power. Not sure what’s made up about that.
Again, criticism of Israel does not equal hatred of Israel or antisemitism in any way. It’s a bad faith argument to act like they’re the same.
And again, Hamas is completely responsible for their own actions, no matter who they’re taking money from. It’s like saying the U.S. is responsible for war crimes because they’ve given money to Israel. The actors in the scene are responsible for what they do. In the context of the user I was replying to, they clearly stated Israel is supporting Hamas so they can take Gaza for themselves. That’s what I disputed. That’s not criticism, it’s manufactured.
Bibbi outright said Hamas was good for Israel. It’s hilarious you’re calling people sheep when you buy every single piece of propaganda coming from Israel. History matters, context matters. Don’t have an open air concentration camp outside “your city” and your neighbors would like you better. Stop excusing war crimes cause the perpetrators are on your side.
They’re not arguing in good faith, they’re just trying to recontextualize the argument to you defending Hamas and then equating that israel’s response is a just and proper revenge. There’s a bunch of accounts pulling this same shtick all over lemmy recently.
Ah, Israel made the terrorists and it’s Israel’s fault the terrorists attack them. And, what? Israel should allow the terrorists to exist because it’s Israel’s fault? You realize you’re excusing terrorists that would kill you without hesitation? That’s what you’re defending.
Buddy, Come on. This is getting sad.
It is sad, what Hamas did to Israel. Brutalized children. Raped parents. Uploading it to their Facebook. Do you demand Israel continue to live that way? Do you demand they live under 100s of rockets per day launched at them? Because the alternative is dead Palestinians?
False dichotomy much?
Seems like you don’t know that Netanyahu funded Hamas on multiple occasions
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Daniel you need a history lesson.
That’s a nice article. It doesn’t matter what Netanyahu did or supported, because fundamentally the terrorists are responsible for their own actions. You can’t say Israel gave money to Hamas, so it’s Israel’s fault they were attacked. Hamas is responsible for deciding to carry out the attack, no matter who they were taking money from. That’s how responsibility works. And, because of what Hamas did, Israel is right to defend itself.
There’s already been 2 terrorist attacks in Europe and based on the evacuations of public spaces in France it seems like it’s only the start. I’m not sure if it’s all because of the war (the attack in Brussels seems to be more related to ISIS according to the news) but it sure seems like it’s gotten a lot more frequent since it really kicked off last week.
Did you really pay attention to terrorist attacks in Europe prior to last week?
And the last thing we want right now is another war. This would be a disaster and cause so much suffering to all parties involved.
I have a bad feeling that would result in… Well, more obvious genocide than is currently happening. I think the only reason Israel hasn’t already turned all of Gaza into a smoking crater is because they would become a pariah in the international community.
Not that there are better options, and fwiw it’s probably the correct thing to do overall, I’m just worried about the consequences.
It’s not even clear they would.
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US intelligence backs up Israel’s claim
It won’t happen because Western Nations are innately racist and supremacist. they see other races below their own, thus their lives less valuable.
OK so taking the fact that Hamas hides themselves and their equipment at places that will force killing civilians to clear targets out, what would you do instead? How would you do it so their attacks would stop, beside alerting civilians and then remove intelled targets (both top org people and equipment)?
Send ground troops instead of leveling an entire city from miles away, from a safe comfy chair where you never have to see all the collateral damage?
That, and ending the apartheid.
Sure, if you want to do it the easy way, but then we don’t get to see all the cool explosions.
In my inexpert eyes, I don’t think group troops will help much because all the info about targets IDF has will become outdated as Hamas will move everything they can. And even if they wouldn’t, letting troops fighting at a foreign place, that the enemy has control at and can prepare amushes and traps at will risk more lives than letting civilians the chance to reposition and live (I don’t take into account the building that gets destroyed, its sad but not worth sacrificing lives for IMO, and that can be fixed with money), and from past lessons (more resources online obviously) I wouldn’t be suprised if Hamas will just use civilians as cover. Ground troops enterance won’t mean no civilian casuallties, Hamas makes sure of it, that’s part of how they get sempathy and support (such a disgusting act, It’s not even about what they’re fighting for at this point. Who acts like that??). And of course that’ll open the option Hamas waiting for the most, kidnapping soldiers.
This didn’t age well, and it’s only 2 hours old
They won’t come back to it and just save it in their memory as another “genocidal attack” by Israel while Hamas apparently just did an Oopsie.
How much propoganda do you need to read before you’re ready to attack Israel? Apparently, not much. Israel has already declared they didn’t do this attack and it was a failed Jihadist missile. Which would you believe, that a nation that has been warning people to evacuate and shown more restraint than any other nation would have by not flattening Gaza, or a literal terrorist organization known for bombing their own citizens? Who is more trustworthy there. You’re drinking the kool-aid and it’s time to put the cup down.
As has been repeated repeatedly, the first casualty of war is the truth.
Do not believe either side. Only independent reports.
If I was Hamas, I would absolutely call whatever happened an air strike from Israel.
If I was Israel, I would absolutely call whatever happened a failed rocket explosion from Hamas.
Do not believe either side. They are both lying.
Agreed. This is a great way for Israel to lose international support and gain more enemies. It’s not … ‘justifiable’ (that word is doing a lot of work) as a part of taking down Hamas.
That’s fine, but that’s not what’s happening in this thread. Plenty of people are quite willing to jump to blame Israel. I am perfectly fine blaming Hamas, the terrorist organization known for attacking its own citizens and blaming Israel. This is exactly out of their play book. Israel gains nothing but condemnation for attacking a hospital and given the restraint they’ve shown so far towards Gaza, it’s simply more likely Hamas than Israel did this.
This is exactly out of Israel’s playbook as well though, they attacked the very same hospital just within the week. “Restraint” towards Gaza? Last I heard there were over 6000 strikes launched by Israel, leveling whole villages, killing entire families. Over 2000 people killed inside Palestine after the first night of retaliation by Israel, striking numerous apartment blocks, hospitals and schools. I doubt anything will change your mind about the righteousness of Israel but I just want to point this out in case anyone thinks you have a good point.
And any other nation would have destroyed the whole Gaza strip after the first few 1000 rockets that were launched at them. What Israel continues to show is a measured restraint unlike any other nation.
Whatever you say buddy, if genocide is restraint then Israel is a fucking saint.
Has Gaza been destroyed yet? That’s restraint. Cry all you want, Israel isn’t the terrorists you make them out to be. The terrorists are the literal terrorist organization with a stated mission to kill all Jews. Are you supporting that?
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Obviously. I’m perfectly fine blaming whoever is responsible, that being Israel or Hamas.
You aren’t. Prove me wrong.
Oh, I don’t have any problem blaming whoever is responsible. The facts will bear out. I’m just saying, factually, this event fits much more in the Hamas playbook than in Israel’s. Do you disagree? Again, Hamas is known for attacking their citizens and blaming Israel, while Isreal has shown more restraint towards Gaza than any other nation would have.
No. I do not agree. Israel are not the good guys here neither is Hamas.
Israel is also known for killing civilians, journalists, and bombing non military targets.
I do not give either side the benefit of doubt based on their history of behavior. Both sides have/are committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.
That’s fine. You realize we’re dealing with a terrorist organization known for killing its own citizens? They’d kill you without hesitation if they thought it would benefit them. Who gains more from bombing this hospital? Hamas, if they manage to successfully blame Israel? Or Israel? Obviously, it’s hamas that has more to gain.
I’m done reading your propaganda attempts. I’d not be surprised if you are employees by the IDF with your extreme adversity to saying anything negative about Israel.
Have fun trying to propagandize others. I’m done with it.
Edit: Notice how they did not respond to my comment. They simply posted more in support of Israel. This person is a propagandist.
You’re worse than the hexbears. Delete your account.
Ugh, what restraint are you talking about? By stopping the electricity, water and food to Gaza, or by forcefully displacing hundreds of thousands or by flattening a whole residential neighbourhood.
I am not defending Hamas, in a perfect world they wouldn’t exist and I would be happy if they are gone forever, but the way Israel is treating Palestinians both in Gaza and in the West bank isn’t exactly a recipe for long lasting peace.
You can’t expect that people would just tolerate whatever shit you give them and there won’t be dissent voices, and radicalization. And don’t start that this is only happening on the Palestinian side, because a lot of Palestinians were simply killed by Israeli settlers.
Both nations are victims of their own propaganda, and it is religion and politics that divide us as humanity. For me everyone deserves a decent life, no matter the skin colour, religious belief or nation, full stop.
It doesn’t matter what Hamas or Palestine does. If they kill everyone in Israel people would cheer for them and perhaps in a sidenote claim “Sucks for the civilians, but yay Palestine!”.
I wonder if they still cheer when the area is under Palestinian control with everything that comes with it. Goodbye LGBTQ and women’s rights.