The Hamas-run Health Ministry in the Gaza Strip says at least 500 people have been killed in an explosion that it says was caused by an Israeli airstrike.
Updated: Israel denies involvement in deadly Gaza hospital blast, says explosion caused by Islamic Jihad
So when the Hamas murders children in Israel they are terrorists but when the IDF does the same thing in Gaza it’s “civilians die in war”. You either have to be really stupid or cruel to make this argument work in your head. Probably both.
Yes, now you’re getting it. One is terrorism, the other is defence from that terrorism. The destruction of Hamas is the fastest way to stop the death of innocents on both sides. Israel could have accomplished this by destroying all of Gaza, but instead they show restraint in trying to minimize civilian casualties, and they will risk the assured death of even more of their own citizens by invading to root out Hamas.
You do realize Hamas is the result of Israeli apartheid and occupation? They even helped create it. Israel has been bombing Gaza for years and Hamas doesn’t seem to get any weaker. Your argument is just a way for you to keep moving the goal posts towards complete genocide.
You do realize Hamas is responsible for their own actions? It doesn’t matter what Israel did, Israel can have peace with Palestinians at least in principle. With Hamas, there can be no peace. Quit justifying terrorism as being caused by actions outside their control. It is completely in their control how they respond and they chose to respond with terrorism. What happens now is justified self-defense.
You do realize Israel is responsible for its own actions as well, right? They have a Zionist leader who wants nothing more than genocide. They use terrorism to enforce their rule. They are at fault for it as much as Hamas is. Get rid of the Zionists.
So what you are saying is that everything apparently boils down to two sides wanting nothing more than genocide, as Hamas’ goal since their founding has been the elimination of Israel and the Jews from the middle east. Under that reduction, we just need to choose whether we support a flawed but still functional democracy or another conservative theocracy under Iran in the region. Third option being to pull all support for both sides and just let them destroy each other with a statistically significant possibility of nuclear exchange in the end.
I also would like to know of any other country on earth that would allow a neighboring country to continually launch rockets at it for decades and take no retaliatory action whatsoever, like Israel is somehow an outlier. Is there honestly a realistic expectation that this time would be different if Palestine was given the full Two State system under the original borders? 5th or 6th times the charm on that one? Maybe this time there wouldn’t be another full scale war from all surrounding neighbors, but does anyone actually expect Iran to stop funding or conducting terror attacks on Israel through Palestine, Syria, or Lebanon?
The people don’t necessarily. The Zionists and Hamas both want genocide, yes.
I also would like to know of any other country on earth that would allow a neighboring country to continually launch rockets at it for decades and take no retaliatory action whatsoever
There isn’t one, but there also isn’t a country that would allow another country to occupy its internationally recognized lands, kills its citizens for no reason, displace it’s people to make room for the other nation to colonize it, and build walls to keep them from moving freely.
Hamas is not innocent, but Israel sure as hell isn’t either. They’re both terrorist organizations, but one has a lot more international support for basically no reason.
The absolute irony… You are the one defending killing civilians. That’s what Hamas does and did to Israel. What Israel does after is self-defense, and I don’t really care about playing terrorist peek-a-boo. If you don’t want to die, get out the fucking way so Israel can destroy Hamas. It’s the fastest way for the Palestinian people to have peace.
“If you don’t want to die, leave the place where you lived for thousands of years and let us occupy it” you mean?
I love how you ignore any nuance of geopolitics. I’d love to live in a world as black and white as yours. It’d be so simple to know “the bad guys” from “the good guys”. Hint hint, both sides in this conflict suck. Not every israeli is IDF. Not every palestinian is Hamas. You can’t tell 1 mill people to evacuate a metropolis, use in 6 days as much bombs as the US did in Afghanistan, lock out any humanitarian aid and call it “self defense”.
So when the Hamas murders children in Israel they are terrorists but when the IDF does the same thing in Gaza it’s “civilians die in war”. You either have to be really stupid or cruel to make this argument work in your head. Probably both.
Israel has the luxury of using plausible deniability as an excuse when accused of targeting civilians.
Yes, now you’re getting it. One is terrorism, the other is defence from that terrorism. The destruction of Hamas is the fastest way to stop the death of innocents on both sides. Israel could have accomplished this by destroying all of Gaza, but instead they show restraint in trying to minimize civilian casualties, and they will risk the assured death of even more of their own citizens by invading to root out Hamas.
You do realize Hamas is the result of Israeli apartheid and occupation? They even helped create it. Israel has been bombing Gaza for years and Hamas doesn’t seem to get any weaker. Your argument is just a way for you to keep moving the goal posts towards complete genocide.
You do realize Hamas is responsible for their own actions? It doesn’t matter what Israel did, Israel can have peace with Palestinians at least in principle. With Hamas, there can be no peace. Quit justifying terrorism as being caused by actions outside their control. It is completely in their control how they respond and they chose to respond with terrorism. What happens now is justified self-defense.
You do realize Israel is responsible for its own actions as well, right? They have a Zionist leader who wants nothing more than genocide. They use terrorism to enforce their rule. They are at fault for it as much as Hamas is. Get rid of the Zionists.
So what you are saying is that everything apparently boils down to two sides wanting nothing more than genocide, as Hamas’ goal since their founding has been the elimination of Israel and the Jews from the middle east. Under that reduction, we just need to choose whether we support a flawed but still functional democracy or another conservative theocracy under Iran in the region. Third option being to pull all support for both sides and just let them destroy each other with a statistically significant possibility of nuclear exchange in the end.
I also would like to know of any other country on earth that would allow a neighboring country to continually launch rockets at it for decades and take no retaliatory action whatsoever, like Israel is somehow an outlier. Is there honestly a realistic expectation that this time would be different if Palestine was given the full Two State system under the original borders? 5th or 6th times the charm on that one? Maybe this time there wouldn’t be another full scale war from all surrounding neighbors, but does anyone actually expect Iran to stop funding or conducting terror attacks on Israel through Palestine, Syria, or Lebanon?
The people don’t necessarily. The Zionists and Hamas both want genocide, yes.
There isn’t one, but there also isn’t a country that would allow another country to occupy its internationally recognized lands, kills its citizens for no reason, displace it’s people to make room for the other nation to colonize it, and build walls to keep them from moving freely.
Hamas is not innocent, but Israel sure as hell isn’t either. They’re both terrorist organizations, but one has a lot more international support for basically no reason.
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If I come at you with a knife, do you have the right to defend yourself?
You come at me with a knife, so I lob a pipe bomb at you, blowing you up along with the family right next to you having a picnic.
Did you warn them to get out of the way?
Yup, warned them good… right as a threw the pipe bomb. Oh, and there’s another family by the way out who won’t let them pass.
You’re defending killing civilians. You are no better than the goons in hammas.
The absolute irony… You are the one defending killing civilians. That’s what Hamas does and did to Israel. What Israel does after is self-defense, and I don’t really care about playing terrorist peek-a-boo. If you don’t want to die, get out the fucking way so Israel can destroy Hamas. It’s the fastest way for the Palestinian people to have peace.
Lol. Sure sure. You think killing civilians to get to terrorists is appropriate. Ergo, You’re also a terrorist.
Fastest way to peace? Faster way to create more people who want to take revenge on Israelis, more like.
But keep telling yourself that you have some moral high ground.
“If you don’t want to die, leave the place where you lived for thousands of years and let us occupy it” you mean?
I love how you ignore any nuance of geopolitics. I’d love to live in a world as black and white as yours. It’d be so simple to know “the bad guys” from “the good guys”. Hint hint, both sides in this conflict suck. Not every israeli is IDF. Not every palestinian is Hamas. You can’t tell 1 mill people to evacuate a metropolis, use in 6 days as much bombs as the US did in Afghanistan, lock out any humanitarian aid and call it “self defense”.
After? After what? This didn’t just start. You’re totally out of your depth here dude.
Israel warned these people they were going to kill them real well. I’m glad they issued the warning…
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67114281
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