Updated: Israel denies involvement in deadly Gaza hospital blast, says explosion caused by Islamic Jihad

  • ilmagico@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Even without knowing who did it, if Israel had stopped occupying Palestinian land, killing and displacing civilians as it’s been doing for decades, we probably wouldn’t be here today, or at least, maybe I could feel sorry for them. I’m not justifying Hamas’ recent attack on civilians, it was horrible, but Israel had it coming.

      • blitzkrieg@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        There are no civilians in Israel except those who haven’t reached the age where they have to join the IDF.

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          1 year ago

          Christ this is grim. Forced conscription means anyone is fair game? Not having a decision is basically the same thing as having one, so morals have no say in this discussion.

          You sound like a fucking cartoon villain, think about that.

      • ilmagico@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        I didn’t say civilians, mind you, I said “Israel”, but let’s talk about the civilians: they voted for this government over and over for decades (minus the brief pause last year), and similar ones before, so at least the majority of them bears some responsibility as well. I’m only sorry for that minority of Israeli that wanted peace and voted for someone else.

        • ParsnipWitch@feddit.de
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          1 year ago

          So all Palestinians who want a pure Muslim country and support the different extremist groups in Palestine have it coming as well?

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            1 year ago

            considering that Hamas had to fight a civil war to actually get control of Gaza and the Netanyahu government has been supporting Hamas to weaken the less radical PAs ability to actually negotiate a solution, no, the Palestinians actually have less to do with keeping Hamas in power, as compared to the Israeli government

        • blazeknave@lemmy.world
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          Actually you, again, literally said the thing… you referred to the civilians. They are the victims from the Israeli perspective. But tell me, what did I miss?

          So all Americans should have their kids raped and murdered in front of them bc Trump or the decades of conservatives before him elected by half the population at best?

          Minority in Israel? You ever talk to Israelis? Nobody under middle age votes this way and most of the older people I know are the same.

          You’re an ignorant fuck.

          Btw did you see who actually blew up the hospital? Apologize cunt.

      • blazeknave@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        No, history began with the British exit, and also omits a dozen wars of aggression against Israelis and Hamas’ charter that states their mission is the eradication of all Jews everywhere… Oh, right, Arafat was a peacemaker of course too.

      • ilmagico@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        I mean, they both had their fair chances of accepting a peace deal, but for some reason that didn’t work out. Anyways, there’s ony one of the two countries currently occupying territories of the other, and that’s where my bias come from, but yeah, they’re both murderers.

        • orrk@lemmy.world
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          1 year ago

          not really, unless you mean the Camp David talks that demanded the Palestinians have less autonomy than Poland under the USSR

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            1 year ago

            I mean that’s exactly my point: they were not able to negotiate a peace deal in good faith, which means they preferred war instead. Note I’m not familiar with that specific episode. I was thinking e.g. the assassination or Rabin by one of his own people

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            1 year ago

            Whoever told you that lied about something you could easily falsify and already knew that you wouldn’t check

            Consider what that says about how they view you.

            • orrk@lemmy.world
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              ima be real with you here, don’t you have a flat earth convention to go too? blunt absolutes are rarely conducive to understanding reality

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                1 year ago

                I’m not the one who brought up blunt absolutes.

                The person who lied to you is who you should be upset with, not me.