Data centers will consume 70 percent of memory chips made in 2026 - supply shortfall will cause the chip shortage to spread to other segments
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Soon enough, you might not even be able to buy a calculator.
    • Pechente@feddit.orgEnglish
      80·
      8 个月前

      Can’t happen soon enough. Few people want AI and now it will fuck over a bunch of people very directly. No idea how long the investors can keep inflating this bubble now.

        • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayBannedEnglish
          3·
          8 个月前

          also the fact that teh AI, like palintir can be programmed to be biased against “dissent” like protesters against israel, or palestine targets, or against the state, rather than “domestic terrorists”

      • sorghum@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        283·
        8 个月前

        Local and self controled AI has some really cool applications. When I can afford it, replacing my home security cameras with something that stays local and not sent to the cloud is on my list of things to do. When I do that having a local AI do image recognition and tying it into my home assistant setup will be a cool project.

        • floofloof@lemmy.caEnglish
          27·
          8 个月前

          Yeah you need hardware for that. They’re making it so we can’t get hardware and we can’t self-host.

          • sorghum@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            62·
            8 个月前

            You don’t think China sees the vacuum left from the current players exiting consumer markets? The protectionism playbook that the US has run is catching up to bite us in the ass, which will be accelerated now that China has EUV.

            That and I expect used enterprise hardware to continue to be sold. I have an old hotel check-in computer as my current router running OPNSense.

            • Womble@piefed.worldEnglish
              5·
              8 个月前

              China “has EUV” lithography in the same way ASML had it in 2001:

              ASML built its first working prototype of EUV technology in 2001, and told Reuters it took nearly two decades and billions of euros in R&D spending before it produced its first commercially-available chips in 2019.

              They are still an awful long way behind the west in this regard.

              • wia@lemmy.caEnglish
                1·
                8 个月前

                China isn’t pioneering the technology. They aren’t operating in a vacuum. They won’t have to wait 20 years to make it all work.

                • Womble@piefed.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  7 个月前

                  Sure, it probably wont take then as long, but its still misleading to portray “China reaches milestone a western company did a quarter of a century ago” as being equivalent to catching up.

        • morto@piefed.socialEnglish
          6·
          8 个月前

          There’s the ai that works well, has many useful applications and reasonable hardware requirements, and there’s the generative ai fucking everything and not giving us a proportional return in usefulness

        • Munkisquisher@lemmy.nzEnglish
          5·
          8 个月前

          Do it! It’s super easy with Frigate addon for home assistant. There’s nice blueprints to handle the mobile notifications when you are out.

      • phx@lemmy.worldEnglish
        14·
        8 个月前

        I haven’t yet seen where use of AI hasn’t made things worse.

        • Agents: Every instance of AI for “customer service” I’ve run into basically just closed cases for invalid reasons, spouted bullshit, and was used to block interacting with a real human, trapping users in infinite loops (thanks eBay) or disconnecting on them (thanks PayPal)

        • Security: M365 seems to be relying heavily on this now, which means that the same phishing email which was successfully blocked last week will randomly get through a few times this week for no apparent reason

        *Coding: sometimes useful, but also points to do stuff like reference functions that don’t actually exist in the API/language being used

        • spamfajitas@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          22·
          8 个月前

          I no longer deal with spam calls all day long because they get routed to Google Assistant/Gemini first and the AI agent filters the call for me. It has been pretty great like 99% of the time, I fully expect Google to kill it somehow.

      • CosmoNova@lemmy.worldEnglish
        111·
        8 个月前

        They already planned and built many data centers by then and will use them. It‘s going to be cloud services all the way. Desktops or even capable phones will be a thing of the past as everyone expects you to source out computing power to a subscription service. We will own nothing. It‘s peak capitalism.

      • paraphrand@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        8 个月前

        I feel like some sort of scheme will be invented to fuck your average person over when that time comes.

        • Virtvirt588@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          8 个月前

          100%, as long as the bootlicking governmental oppressors exist, they will totally suckup to their corporate friends to aid them out of the 10 mile deep hole they helped construct.

    • fartographer@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      8 个月前

      RAM will be cheap! So will the dollar… Maybe I can get a good deal on upgrades to my server by reclaiming the gold in the contacts?

      • zbyte64@awful.systemsEnglish
        6·
        8 个月前

        IDK, a lot of that data center AI hardware is built to self-destruct after a few years. It’s going to take time for the factories to retool before we see prices drop back down.

    • Cocodapuf@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      8 个月前

      So when that happens… Is there gonna be like a memory auction? Will I have to buy a whole ai training rig just to get the RAM?

      I’ll just take your best guess.

      • Goodeye8@piefed.socialEnglish
        9·
        8 个月前

        Unless you’re planning on buying the whole rack you’re not scooping up anything, except maybe the hard drives. The memory and GPUs are not consumer grade hardware. Some of the GPUs you technically could hook up to your PC, for example the Nvidia A6000, but its launch price was ~$4500 so even on the cheaper end you’re shelling out probably $3000 for a card that (out the box) is marginally better than the 4070ti. Most of the GPUs and pretty much all of the memory is not compatible with your standard consumer grade MoBos.

        • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          12·
          8 个月前

          Yeah I was a bit ironic, like just wait plebs you might get to buy the used hardware when I’m done with it.

  • forrgott@lemmy.zipEnglish
    38·
    8 个月前

    Watch this not ever really even touch the mobile phone market. The only computer they want you to have access to is the one they fully control…

  • gdog05@lemmy.worldEnglish
    34·
    8 个月前

    Data centers will consume…

    No, data centers that are slated to be built say they’ll consume. If they don’t get built because they run out of funding or the bubble bursts, then they won’t consume. They’re trying really fucking hard to make fetch happen.

    • theparadox@lemmy.worldEnglish
      37·
      8 个月前

      They use a different kind of RAM.

      It’s the capacity to make RAM and the materials required to make RAM that is going to datacenters.

    • bthest@lemmy.worldEnglish
      61·
      8 个月前

      No but anyone with a a cheap vintage military rifle with 2000 yard/meter iron sights could reek havoc by lobbing a few bullets at a data center like a mortar from extreme range. Probable wouldn’t do any critical damage but eventually someone would realize that those loud cracks are bullets and they would have to evacuate every time, forensic teams would have to come in a scour the entire place for bullet fragments and impacts. It would be a massive expensive pain in the ass. The security and insurance cost would be insane. That might put some cold water on the market.

      They would have to start building these things inside the restricted Nevada test range if enough people took up this new hobby.

        • bthest@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          8 个月前

          Yep, I’m from NC too. When shit gets real it’s going to be normal to not have water, power, cellphones and internet because we sold all of our critical infrastructure to parasites who extort us but won’t spend a dime on redundancy. People really underestimate how quickly and easily this country could be shut down when the critical boiling point is reached.

  • 0x0@lemmy.zipEnglish
    141·
    8 个月前

    Big brands already said Fuck you consumer, we’re gonna sell to the big boys.
    It only saddens me that when the AI bubble bursts people will still buy stuff from the likes of Micron when they start supplying the plebes again.

    • ksh@aussie.zoneEnglish
      3·
      8 个月前

      Don’t bank on the bubble bursting. The real customers big paying customers are not retail but governments who would like live fine tuned summaries of all their citizens. AI is a dual use technology.

  • dylanmorgan@slrpnk.netEnglish
    131·
    8 个月前

    Except there are zero contracts in place to actually build those data centers, nor is there enough power generated to run them. I really wish tech journalists would do the background to determine if what these documented liars are saying is even possible, never mind likely.

  • GMac@feddit.orgEnglish
    81·
    8 个月前

    Can we all buy cheap hardware when the bubble bursts and the billionaires decide not to pay the electricity bills for these ridiculous datacentres?

    • Rothe@piefed.socialEnglish
      16·
      8 个月前

      Unlike with the GPU shortage, where the cryptomining gpus could be used by regular consumers, the datacenter ram and so on is not usable on personal computers. It is all going to be e-waste, and we will still have a shortage after the bubble burst.

      • Pika@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        8 个月前

        is datacenter ram really not usable on personal PC’s? I figured it was the same as consumer ram but with ECC features, but I haven’t gone out of my way to try and buy any.

        • ozymandias117@lemmy.worldEnglish
          9·
          8 个月前

          They’re using the new SOCAMM standard, which current consumer hardware can’t use.

          It’s a different physical interface.

          Whether it will end up coming to consumer grade motherboards… 🤷‍♂️

          • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zipEnglish
            2·
            8 个月前

            If it’s just a physical connector and doesn’t require a special CPU, then I could see motherboard makers making that switch if there’s a glut of the memory available.

      • RamRabbit@lemmy.worldEnglish
        41·
        8 个月前

        While it won’t be usable by consumers, lots of businesses will happily scoop up a rack for their own servers. Not only will a ton of demand vanish, but a ton of supply appears at the same time.

      • GMac@feddit.orgEnglish
        2·
        8 个月前

        Well that sucks. I assumed the ram, ssds, hdds could be recycled into useful forms.

      • sobchak@programming.devEnglish
        1·
        8 个月前

        It’s possible someone would make it usable. A long time ago, I bought a laptop CPU that was soldered onto a board so it would go into a normal desktop socket. Guessing there was a glut of laptop CPUs at the time.

      • eli@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        8 个月前

        Yeah and the e-waste centers will clean up the hardware and resell it.

        It’ll be a flood into the market. Supply and demand and all that.

    • PortNull@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      1·
      8 个月前

      Even if we would get and be able to use any hardwareit would have been ridden hard. Expected remaining lifespan may be low