Look, I get it. Jeff Bezos will keep hoarding. That makes sense in that selfish, nihilist worldview. What I can’t understand, is why all fucking people are voting against their own fucking self interests to allow this bullshit. If people didn’t just vote against their fucking better interests we would be in a much better situation.
If people didn’t just vote against their fucking better interests we would be in a much better situation.
Red-staters seem perfectly fine with punching themselves in the face if it means they can stumble back and bloody the noses of the durn libburuls standing behind them.
Religion is why people vote the way they do. They vote republican because that is what there are taught. They do it for Jesus, fetuses, and more money for their overlords.
So you think that if Sanders becomes the leader of the democratic party (he won’t), all of the lobbies and all of the billionaires interests that are behind both Democratic and Republican parties, are gonna suddenly disappear? Unfortunately that’s not how it works.
Voting for the democratic party would alsocbe against your self-interest as member of the working class, just as much as republican. You need to realise the US is a one party system, Democratic and Republican are two branches of the same party.
What’s your strategy? Sanders hasnt become the DNC leader yet, so I reject your premise that it can’t work. We’ve seen how the GOP party can change, for the worse. The billionaires will exist in whatever you’re proposing, right up until they don’t exist, so that’s not any kind of counter argument to improving the DNC.
They are not the same party. Wake the fuck up. Maybe you could say that two years ago, but gestures broadly.
What are you gesturing at specifically? Obama put kids in cages too. Obama bombed the middle east too. They are literally the same party, one is served with mayo the other with ketchup, but both are the same dish. The both serve the same ruling class.
I’m not interested in debating against willful ignorance. You’re literally making a false equivalence logical fallacy. Obama didn’t dismantle our institutions. Obama didn’t separate kids from their parents and intentionally not leave a paper trail so as to effectively make the kids orphans. Obama didn’t execute citizens under the guise of immigration enforcement. Obama didn’t commit blatant fraud and quid pro quo. Obama didn’t attack lgbtq+ rights and pick some of the worst people to put in every position of authority – supreme court, all departments, etc. Be angry if you want, but don’t be ignorant. Obama isn’t the best of the DNC party; we need better, but willful ignorance won’t get us there.
Obama hasn’t been on a ballot since 2012. What the fuck are you going on about? He didn’t commit any war crimes in 2008 when I voted for him, and he was the incumbent in 2012 with pretty much no serious competition. I wasn’t going to vote for Mott Romney – are you implying you think Mitt Romney was the better choice? Wake the fuck up you tool. Look around. I’m not defending Obama or Biden, but you’re an idiot in absolute terms if you think DNC is the same as the GOP.
Al Gore might have done us some real good. We don’t have to go back too far to see the DNC has put up good people.
You’re partially incorrect, or at least obfuscating things to support your point. It’s much more complicated than how I believe you’re expressing it.
The human race has an oligarch problem and the U.S. has a two party issue and happens to be were capital has been concentrated for the past ~60 years.
Simply look at past policy decisions, who is repealing precedent, international relations, environmental protections, Supreme Court decisions (and their written opinions) over the last two presidential terms is enough to show the difference between the two parties.
Our problem doesn’t simply lie in our political structure (which is a mathematical guarantee of our government system). There are solutions on the table and the only viable pathway to meaningful change without violence is through voting in the U.S. or you know prolonged violent conflict. My point being the U.S. has a problem with their policymakers and representation for sure.
But let’s be clear here the human race is experiencing oligarchical pressure in so many places more than just the US.
Same for if neoliberals gave up the delusion that chasing conservative voters is going to get them a higher turnout. But I have no doubt they will continue to try the same thing and punch left when they fail.
[edit: looks like I read too much into the comment I was replying to - I’ll leave the below for the sake of honesty, but I was unfair, and I won’t defend my hostility or uncharitable read (at least in this case lol)]
If only we got more of those DNC ghouls in office they could have slowed down some of this a bit!
Couldn’t be that the “other party” just absorbs every complaint, atrocity, demand for real change and delivers none. It’s probably those annoying leftists who are messing up progress!
FWIW I vote as often as I can. It’s not hard for me to tell who is more evil and what levers are available to me at the moment (I also don’t disparage others with thoughtful reasons to do otherwise).
Your take sucks and smells like a real Reddit-ass analysis of why things are going badly.
Okay, I’ve read through your other comments and you’re right, I misunderstood and misrepresented your POV, I apologize.
For the record, just like there is a large contingent of online “leftists” who don’t do much but whine, there’s an accompanying group of folks who also habitually just whine, but they whine in the ways I attacked you for doing, some flavor of “if they’d only have voted (for Harris/Clinton/etc) then we’d all be at brunch!”
But that’s not what you said, and given your other comments, you probably don’t like those folks either. So yeah, I saw what looked like that and had an allergic reaction lol.
And yeah, I understand how I could have been misconstrued as advocating “blue-no-matter-who”. So to be absolutely clear: fuck Harris, Biden, Obama, both Clintons, and all the other neoliberal asshats who helped suppress actual progressives from having power within the Dem party and in The US more broadly.
I don’t know what argument you’re responding to. Talk about projection.
Anyway, you probably just saw my username and assumed I’m “one of them”. So let me say this real clear for all the bigots on Lemmy: we don’t get to decide where we are born, and we are not inherently responsible for the actions of our governments. Get it through your thick dumb skulls.
Look, I get it. Jeff Bezos will keep hoarding. That makes sense in that selfish, nihilist worldview. What I can’t understand, is why all fucking people are voting against their own fucking self interests to allow this bullshit. If people didn’t just vote against their fucking better interests we would be in a much better situation.
Red-staters seem perfectly fine with punching themselves in the face if it means they can stumble back and bloody the noses of the durn libburuls standing behind them.
thats because people are temporarily embarrased billionaires thats why.
Religion is why people vote the way they do. They vote republican because that is what there are taught. They do it for Jesus, fetuses, and more money for their overlords.
Which party can you vote that will redistribute wealth?
Democratic party is much closer to being taken over by a populist socialist. So DNC with emphasis that primaries need to by the real battleground.
And once we’ve won those primaries, then the DNC will be aligned with our fucking self interests.
So you think that if Sanders becomes the leader of the democratic party (he won’t), all of the lobbies and all of the billionaires interests that are behind both Democratic and Republican parties, are gonna suddenly disappear? Unfortunately that’s not how it works.
Voting for the democratic party would alsocbe against your self-interest as member of the working class, just as much as republican. You need to realise the US is a one party system, Democratic and Republican are two branches of the same party.
What’s your strategy? Sanders hasnt become the DNC leader yet, so I reject your premise that it can’t work. We’ve seen how the GOP party can change, for the worse. The billionaires will exist in whatever you’re proposing, right up until they don’t exist, so that’s not any kind of counter argument to improving the DNC.
They are not the same party. Wake the fuck up. Maybe you could say that two years ago, but gestures broadly.
What are you gesturing at specifically? Obama put kids in cages too. Obama bombed the middle east too. They are literally the same party, one is served with mayo the other with ketchup, but both are the same dish. The both serve the same ruling class.
I’m not interested in debating against willful ignorance. You’re literally making a false equivalence logical fallacy. Obama didn’t dismantle our institutions. Obama didn’t separate kids from their parents and intentionally not leave a paper trail so as to effectively make the kids orphans. Obama didn’t execute citizens under the guise of immigration enforcement. Obama didn’t commit blatant fraud and quid pro quo. Obama didn’t attack lgbtq+ rights and pick some of the worst people to put in every position of authority – supreme court, all departments, etc. Be angry if you want, but don’t be ignorant. Obama isn’t the best of the DNC party; we need better, but willful ignorance won’t get us there.
Obama is a war criminal, period. I don’t give a fuck he didn’t attack lgbtq. You voted for a war criminal, period.
Obama hasn’t been on a ballot since 2012. What the fuck are you going on about? He didn’t commit any war crimes in 2008 when I voted for him, and he was the incumbent in 2012 with pretty much no serious competition. I wasn’t going to vote for Mott Romney – are you implying you think Mitt Romney was the better choice? Wake the fuck up you tool. Look around. I’m not defending Obama or Biden, but you’re an idiot in absolute terms if you think DNC is the same as the GOP.
Al Gore might have done us some real good. We don’t have to go back too far to see the DNC has put up good people.
You’re partially incorrect, or at least obfuscating things to support your point. It’s much more complicated than how I believe you’re expressing it.
The human race has an oligarch problem and the U.S. has a two party issue and happens to be were capital has been concentrated for the past ~60 years.
Simply look at past policy decisions, who is repealing precedent, international relations, environmental protections, Supreme Court decisions (and their written opinions) over the last two presidential terms is enough to show the difference between the two parties.
Our problem doesn’t simply lie in our political structure (which is a mathematical guarantee of our government system). There are solutions on the table and the only viable pathway to meaningful change without violence is through voting in the U.S. or you know prolonged violent conflict. My point being the U.S. has a problem with their policymakers and representation for sure.
But let’s be clear here the human race is experiencing oligarchical pressure in so many places more than just the US.
If leftists didn’t refuse to vote “on principle” we would be in a much better situation.
Same for if neoliberals gave up the delusion that chasing conservative voters is going to get them a higher turnout. But I have no doubt they will continue to try the same thing and punch left when they fail.
I’m sure they will. We shouldn’t vote for them. And if more leftists voted, they wouldn’t win as often.
[edit: looks like I read too much into the comment I was replying to - I’ll leave the below for the sake of honesty, but I was unfair, and I won’t defend my hostility or uncharitable read (at least in this case lol)]
If only we got more of those DNC ghouls in office they could have slowed down some of this a bit!
Couldn’t be that the “other party” just absorbs every complaint, atrocity, demand for real change and delivers none. It’s probably those annoying leftists who are messing up progress!
FWIW I vote as often as I can. It’s not hard for me to tell who is more evil and what levers are available to me at the moment (I also don’t disparage others with thoughtful reasons to do otherwise).
Your take sucks and smells like a real Reddit-ass analysis of why things are going badly.
I never said anything about voting for Democrats. You made a lot of assumptions just to come here and argue with me.
And there are no thoughtful reasons not to vote. Just excuses that try to launder laziness into righteousness.
Okay, I’ve read through your other comments and you’re right, I misunderstood and misrepresented your POV, I apologize.
For the record, just like there is a large contingent of online “leftists” who don’t do much but whine, there’s an accompanying group of folks who also habitually just whine, but they whine in the ways I attacked you for doing, some flavor of “if they’d only have voted (for Harris/Clinton/etc) then we’d all be at brunch!”
But that’s not what you said, and given your other comments, you probably don’t like those folks either. So yeah, I saw what looked like that and had an allergic reaction lol.
Anyway, my bad, cheers.
Ty!
And yeah, I understand how I could have been misconstrued as advocating “blue-no-matter-who”. So to be absolutely clear: fuck Harris, Biden, Obama, both Clintons, and all the other neoliberal asshats who helped suppress actual progressives from having power within the Dem party and in The US more broadly.
Preach!
How many of the people who didn’t vote were leftists not voting on principle?
It’s amazing how easy it is to “win” an argument that exists only in your imagination
I’m so fucking glad that I don’t live in 'Murica.
I don’t know what argument you’re responding to. Talk about projection.
Anyway, you probably just saw my username and assumed I’m “one of them”. So let me say this real clear for all the bigots on Lemmy: we don’t get to decide where we are born, and we are not inherently responsible for the actions of our governments. Get it through your thick dumb skulls.
Your opinion on “leftists” is telling
That’s why I think you’re stupid.
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