I’ve heard it explained that “hey” used to be more of an urgent way to get someone’s attention, rather than a casual “hello” like it is now, so it sounded rude to some older folks.
I’ve heard it explained that “hey” used to be more of an urgent way to get someone’s attention, rather than a casual “hello” like it is now, so it sounded rude to some older folks.
I’m glad that the attitude that if you don’t speak “correctly,” then you are not worth engaging with is dying out.
Well, on the grammar front, anyway.
I’m glad the “not worth engaging with” attitude is dying out, but I do still think it’s important to push for people to communicate accurately and effectively, which includes understanding and following grammatical rules when needed.
Language and vocabulary are essential to how we think and collectively problem-solve.
Yep, I get the “Language is constantly evolving” argument, but if I have to read your sentence three times just to parse it because you were too lazy to press a few keys, I’d consider that disrespectful to whomever is reading your comments
The people who insist on communicating incorrectly are intentionally choosing either to be stupid or to fuck with people.
Either way, I’m still not interested in interacting with them.
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This but unironically /s
No seriously, I have no clue what you were talking about but it’s very normal for any social group to develop a unique way of language that you have to learn when you want to engage. It’s not as if farmers wouldn’t use terms lay people don’t understand
Everything I said is actually kinda sensible and as a sentence made sense. Obviously it uses too much slang at once and no one would make a sentence purely made of slang like that, but theoretically it’s a valid sentence with modern slang.
I’m old as hell. I solely learned this just to mess with the young ones lmao.
Language is evolving, and part of evolution is killing off unfit new phrases
But you make that decision based on social status not based on what the person is saying. If your manager wrote emails badly you would put in the effort to understand them. Not trying to pick on you, we all do this. My point it isn’t really about correct vs incorrect it is our tolerance for the how much effort we are willing to put in to understand.
That is only because they pay me to read their shit emails.
If it is after hours, I treat them exactly the same as I would every other badly written thing.
Sorry, I missed your comment. I would beg to differ, I would certainly correct my boss if his emails were incomprehensible, absolutely.
Maybe it’s living in a more equal society, I dunno. I wouldn’t be hauled up on it; he might be a bit pissed off, but couldn’t do anything about it
The point of language is to communicate information.
If the information was successfully relayed, the language exchange was successful.
If the person knows you MEAN “hello, I would like two of these items here, thank you good sir. hands cash and cashier says thank you You’re welcome. Have a pleasant day, sir” when you SAY “Sup, two please. Thanks man. No problem have a good one.” then you have successfully languaged.
So when my wife with a plethora of issues involving word recall says some insane thing because she can’t remember the right words, as long as I understand what she means, her language did it’s job.
There’s got to be movement on both sides to a common understanding. If one side won’t budge, then fuck 'em.
People using they/them pronouns:
I think it’s all about context. Sometimes things are formal, sometimes things are informal. The ability to participate in either situation is important.
I just wish (and this is the English major in me) that more people would worry a little over their grammar usage and at least run their postings by others to see if they sound correct - I’ve seen so many easily-correctible errors and such word-pretzel-tying knots when people are just trying to say something very basic. Good grammar actually makes you easily understood.
To add to this: strong language skills are also what allow you to understand those without them.
I think the common conclusion of “Well, you understand them, don’t you?” is flawed because it still relies on the receivers to have a strong grasp of language.
I agree it shouldn’t really matter how “correctly” you speak if you make your point known. But I do kind of hate to see people misspelling or using grammar badly when writing these days - it does create a stumbling block, and I think it keeps them from getting their work more widely read or published.
Does it really create a stumbling block though? In a lot of the threads I see it being pointed out in, everyone does understand the OP. The people pointing out the grammar seem to be more derailing to the conversation than anything.
Plus I can’t say I agree with whatever you mean by “getting their work more widely read or published”. A lot of famous books that you’re expected to read in school are already past modern English.
Well, honestly there have been times I could not understand what someone was trying to say because their grammar was horrible. Even in short sentences describing a posted video, and I’m like, “how could they possibly make this sentence more difficult to understand!”
I worked in publishing and you wouldn’t believe how many new manuscripts were turned way because of simple mistakes like saying “there” instead of “their” or “your welcome” instead of “you’re welcome.” For someone who proofreads texts, it really IS a stumbling block.
But for ordinary conversation, proper grammar isn’t really as important. The reason it counts so much in writing is because bad grammar makes you sound uneducated and unsure of yourself, and it just lacks the quality of being well regarded.
Isn’t this conflating professional publishing with…general speaking though?
You have to understand as a publisher that there’s different standards between doing your job and talking to people everyday.
That tactic was used to silence valid points.
Defense on form over substance.
Nowadays most people got half a brain to see through it
I think they are finding that they will be lonely if they want to continue to follow that path.
It should of died out long ago and on the side of academic linguistics did, but on the internet sadly not so much
Are you trying to wind me up mate 🥲
Why do you want to hurt us so?
Because these who feel hurt by this deserve to be hurt. No tolerant for intolerance
There’s descriptive and there’s prescriptive linguistics. The first is the scientific endeavor of finding out and explaining how a language works. The second is the realm of anal politicians from the colonialist era who used language as an oppression tool to suppress local cultures and force the hegemonic culture upon indigenous people to make it easier to dominate, eradicate and subjugate them. Currently regarded as one of the defining elements of Genocides. For examples see, Spanish, French, English, Russian, German, Dutch, Portuguese, Mandarin … well you get the idea.
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