The Jewish-supremacist ideology motivating genocide has widespread support among Canada’s elites.
Zionism is so rampant in Canada’s Jewish community that it has effectively become more important than Judaism, though many, if not most, Jewish Canadians say the two are actually one.
Many anti-Zionists dispute this assertion in theological terms, but I don’t care about these debates, in the same way that theological schisms in Christianity are of no interest to me outside of the odd late-night Wikipedia search.
I cannot stress how much I vehemently disagree with this kind of anti-intellectual statement. Both for Judaism/Zionism différence but also for the schisms of Christianity. This kind of know-nothing assertion would be instantly flagged as very very stupid if the writer was trying to flatten for example the differences between Sunni and Shia Muslims, or the difference between Palestinian/Muslim (Palestinian Christians exist).
The distinction between Zionism and Judaism is not cosmetic, it is the very heart of the matter. It is the key to defeating politically Zionism here in the West. And to make this conflation precisely when Canadian anti-Zionist Jews are actually taking on the fight at the highest levels of the national discourse is downright politically idiotic. (The NDP has a leader and an executive president who are both proud and very outspoken members of IJV.) At the same time, there is a very important shift in US centre-left Jewish discourse, which will unavoidably have an echo here because of course it will.
yup just go to North York in Toronto. Hell the other week 10k zionists had a little parade for themselves with FULL police escort/protection. Proudly marching on and cheering the genocide of the Palestinian people.
Police mobile units/trailers outside their schools? better believe it. wouldn’t want the zionists children harmed due to their parents actions. no other school has that.
I leisure walk around Toronto a lot. I’ve definitely noticed that every pro-Israel event has a MASSIVE police presence outside. Half the time I think it’s some sort of emergency at first from a distance.
What was the parade for?
it’s for Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walk_with_Israel it’s a pro-israel walk. they’ve been doing it for decades.
Only tangentially related but I learned recently that Kars4Kids is completely just an Israel scam that uses that money to send like 17-18 year old Jewish teens who are looking to take a gap year after graduating high school on a trip to Israel for free, I think also including their families?
So the “Kids” being helped from this charity are almost adults getting a free Israel propaganda vacation.
Like none of that money does jack shit to benefit the local communities where it’s advertised. I’ve heard that shit on the west coast of Canada for years! They make the Australian radio DJ’s say it!
Not just Jewish teens, but Jewish teens from one specific community in New Jersey, to be absolutely clear.
And yes they’ve been sued multiple times for this, and yes they’re somehow still allowed to advertise in several states and Canada for this.
So yes, they’re stealing Canadian’s money so that US Jewish kids from one specific community essentially get to party in Israel for free.
Yeesh! That really does make it even more ridiculous.
WTF. How is this allowed.
I’d say thats false, women in general and socialism are way way more dismissed and laughed at behind closed doors.
I wouldn’t call it a hate movement; it’s too inward-focused.
But like with any ultranationalist movement, it’s definitely heavily leveraged by those wanting to use it for their own hate-driven agenda. The two go hand in hand, but aren’t quite the same thing — dealing with each needs a slightly different approach, and getting rid of one won’t get rid of the other. THIS is the reason not to just label the entire zionist movement as hate/intolerance-driven Jewish supremacy. It’s only the diving board. Take it away and they’ll find something else.
Nationalism (no, not “ultranationalism”) is fundamentally hateful in its arbitrary assignment of an idealized group of people with a natural right to land. Zionism has been oriented around Palestinian dispossession and erasure since its emergence in the late-nineteenth and early-twentieth centuries, there is no “inward-focused” element here that somehow doesn’t make it an international ideological movement in Canada (which is also a genocidal, settler-colonial state with an interest in protecting Israel’s right to commit genocide). There aren’t any especially naughty Zionists that make the movement look bad, it is fundamentally a genocidal endeavour the same way every settler-colonial state is.
I really hope you have at least one reading on any of these topics to recommend since you’re making some pretty incredible claims here that defy most historical and decolonial scholarship on them.
therefore, white supremacists aren’t a hate group, as they are focused on white people…
You should probably read a few lines from Jabotinsky (a popular Zionist Nationalist). He uses blood and land tropes a lot.
I’ve read just enough to not want to ever read anything by the guy again. As I said, the two go hand in hand, and he’s a prime example of that.
I disagree with your framing because it makes it seem like Zionism isn’t inherently hateful, just some people coopting the ideology are.
But the very founders and people that created the ideology were hateful, as a matter of fact.
You’re framing an ethno-supremacist ideology that was created at the same time that other very hateful ethno-supremacist ideologies were created and trying to say it isn’t inherently hateful.
That’s like saying Naziism wasn’t inherently hateful, but people coopted the ideology. They’re literally of the same cloth, friend.
You’re framing an ethno-supremacist ideology that was created at the same time that other very hateful ethno-supremacist ideologies were created and trying to say it isn’t inherently hateful.
That’s exactly why I’m comparing it with every other balkan nationalism of the time. Take Greek or Bulgarian or Italian or Hungrian or Turkish or any other nationalism that was being conceived in, well, the age of nationalism, in the end of the 19th century, and they all share the same ethno-supremacist characteristics.
Xenophobia is hateful. Ethno-nationalism is xenophobic and about blood purity.
That’s usually what ethnonationalism means in the New World, where there are things like white nationalism etc. In the Old World, ethno-nationalism is a diverse set of ideologies. And the idea of “blood purity” is also not expressed as that radical or controversial in the many many states that follow a jus sanguinis system.
There is absolutely there a structure that makes it extremely easy to slide into hateful politics. Which is why I’m not defending ethno-nationalism, in fact I agree that it is an aberration that should be abolished. I am just pointing out that there is nothing particularly unique about jewish ethno-nationalism. It is currently undergoing a radical phase, but again that’s not historically unique to it. That’s literally how the Turks ended up genociding the Armenians. I am not normalizing or excusing, merely de-exceptionalizing. Nothing special about zionism. Just another shitty ethno-nationalism, same shit we’ve seen many times over.
Sorry, I also didn’t know I was responding to someone different in my prior comment and think we’re in agreement. There’s nothing inherently unique about Jewish ethno-nationalism.
I kind of agree. I don’t think Zionism is that much different from any other shitty nationalism, and I’m saying this from the point of view of the Balkans. Like the Zionist Jews are not doing anything particularly new that, say, the Croatian Ustasha, or the Serb Chetniks, or the Kemalist Turks, or the Bulgarian fascists, or our own nationalist Greeks, etc didn’t already do at some point in the last century or so. Even the settler aspect is not that unique, just look into how us Greeks colonized and cleansed Macedonia or what the Turks did to us and the Armenians and in northern Cyprus. The only difference is that they also have nukes, and a blank check from the Americans to do whatever the fuck they want.
I guess the other shoe has dropped hasn’t it?
Now the “anti-zionist” movement is finding ways to attack Canadian Jews. So now that anti-zionism is about attacking Jews no matter which country they’re from can we just call it what it is: antisemitism?
That’s what this article is dedicated to isn’t it? It’s dedicated to transferring hatred of Israel onto Canadian Jews. You can’t claim this is “just criticizing Israel” when you’re attacking Canadian Jews.
Zionism isn’t the most successful hate movement in Canada. Anti-zionism is. It’s duped a lot of people into a antisemitism. There’s nothing else this article can be considered to be. It’s not about the Israeli government, it’s entirely focused on stirring up hatred toward Canadian Jews.
Canada fought a war against antisemitic assholes. We won that war. It’s shameful that 2/3 of racially motivated crimes this year have been targeting Jews.
Y’all need to understand that you’re in a weird little bubble. Jews are welcome in Canada. Antisemitism is the tool of the enemies of Canada. We hanged antisemites at Nuremberg, you’d think that would’ve got the point across.
You aren’t Canadian if you support antisemitism. You are the enemy of Canada.
Man you guys just can’t help but play the victim at every turn, can you?
If you’re a supporter of zionism, you deserve to be criticized. That’s no different, than if you were a supporter of the KKK. Yeah, people are going to judge your ass for being a bigot.
Someone being against the state of Israel systematically stealing land, bombing women and children, and acting like a barbarous state that is wantonly breaking international laws, is not the same as someone hating someone for their religion.
If you can’t see the difference between these two things, I really don’t know what to tell you.
Who’s “you guys”? I’m not Jewish, I just had grand parents that fought a war against antisemitc assholes. Because I’m Canadian. You’re not attacking a Jew like you obviously want to. You’re attacking a Canadian with Canadian values.
If you’re a supporter of zionism, you deserve to be criticized. That’s no different, than if you were a supporter of the KKK. Yeah, people are going to judge your ass for being a bigot.
If’ you’re attacking Jews b in Canada because of some internet bullshit rationalizations, then I’m judging your ass for being a bigot. Because you are. You’re an antisemitic bigot. Hating people simply because they share the same religion as some people on the other side of the world that are doing things you don’t like is bigotry.
Canada is a multi-cultural country and we don’t discriminate based on race, colour, or creed here. And that’s what this article is pushing for. Jews can feel a connection to their religion and where it originated from. That’s their creed. They should not be attacked for their creed. That’s being anti-Canadian. And being Canadian, I take that personally.
Go move to the US if you want to be an anti-Canadian bigot.
Man you like putting words in my mouth huh?
Who am I attacking? I’m saying that if you support zionism (not Jews), then you should be criticized. There. Really simple right? zionists believe that their theft of land from people, and continued theft of land is okay. Want me to come into your house and take it over? What, that’s different? That’s about the same amount of ‘right’ that zionists have to Palestinian land.
If you support bigots on the other side of the world and their actions, guess what, you’re no different than them.
This is comically simple. You’re looking for a reason to attack people who don’t like zionists.
You’re constantly connecting Canadian citizens to something happening on the other side of the world based solely on religion and ethnicity. That’s racist as fuck.
Want me to come into your house and take it over?
Are you threatening me? You spend some time on the internet looking at images of a war and then you think that gives you the right to go after Canadians that have a different religion than you. That’s how things work when you’re in a hate group. They constantly expose you to content that make you angry to keep you angry because that makes you easy to control. You’re angry at people on the other side of the world but you can’t do anything. Then they direct your anger towards people in your own country.
That’s where you cross the line from being another idiot on the internet just going along with the crowd and hating some country everyone else is hating to being a bigot that hates people in your own country because of their religion and ethnicity.
I want there to be peace in the Middle East. If this site were filled with people being racist towards Palestinians I’d be telling them they’re bigots. But this particular website is filled with people bigoted towards Jews. So I’m telling you that you’re a bigot.
If you attack Canadian citizens whether they be Jewish, Muslim, or whatever religion or ethnicity, I’m going to stand up for those people against the bigoted assholes. Because that’s what Canada is to me.
If you’re against Canadian Muslims, you’re against Canada. If you’re against Canadian Jews, you’re against Canada. I don’t care about the bullshit rationalizations your little hate group has filled your head with. If you’re against Canadian Jews you are anti-Canadian.
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I attack anyone that attacks Canadians. That includes attacking Canadian Jews. I don’t care about any of your bullshit rationalizations you have for attacking my fellow Canadians. An attack on any Canadian is an attack on me.
When will you hate mongers learn that your hateful actions will only end badly for you? Read a fucking history book. Hateful people are stupid and that’s why they always lose.
An attack is an attack on you huh? 🤣
Sure dude. I’m hateful because I speak out against Palestinians being systematically murdered. And I’ll gladly call anyone out who supports such actions as you clearly do.
Your fake outrage is why the state of Israel (notice how I am stating a country not a religious belief) has such a shit reputation around the world.
Grow the fuck up.
Zionism isn’t a religion. Zionism != Judaism. Zionists != Jews. People are responsible for their own political beliefs and advocacy. They aren’t an immutable trait. Conflating Zionism and Judaism is anti-Semitic. Painting all critics of Zionist ideology as anti-Semites is, in itself, anti-Semitic.
By pretending all criticism of the Israeli government is directed at Jewish people in general, you are playing into the hands of both Netanyahu, and white supremacists. People who support genocidal regimes deserve criticism. Just as Muslims would rightly be criticized if they proclaimed their support for ISIL/ISIS, and Christians for any number of heinous crimes committed under Christian auspices, so too Jewish people are not immune from criticism for supporting genocide, purely on the basis of their religion or ethnicity.
Is neonazi infiltration of leftist spaces under the cover of anti-Zionism a problem? Of course, and it’s one that requires constant vigilance to detect and defeat. But that’s not what I see you doing daily, across the fediverse. Instead, you habitually conflate criticism of Israel’s genocidal actions with attacks on Jewish people in general, and by doing so, you only further the agenda of those who want everyone to make the same associations.
He’s not here in good faith man you know that.
Maybe, maybe not. I don’t know how to make that determination definitively, nor is it clear to me that it matters one way or the other. There seems to be plenty of evidence to suggest that many people would make the same arguments that they do. Normally, I just downvote their shit takes, and go on with my day, but occasionally I feel moved to comment, and so I have.
Read the article. It’s claiming that all Canadian Jews are Zionists.
By pretending all criticism of the Israeli government is directed at Jewish people in general,
I’m not pretending, Read the fucking article. It’s saying that Canadian Jews are all Zionists.
Synagogues are getting shot at all the time in Canada. There were three of these events that occurred the week the Ayatollah was killed. It’s pretty obvious the “anti-Zionists” are targeting Jews in Canada. It’s not me thinking Canadian Jews are the same as Israeli Jews, it’s the “anti-Zionists” that think this.
Read the article. It telling the anti-zionist crowd that it’s ok to target Canadian Jews. The majority of racist attacks in Canada target Jews. Antisemitism is very real in Canada and it’s being perpetrated by people that claim to be “anti-zionists”. And now people are rationalizing why attacking Jews in Canada is perfectly acceptable because “they’re all zionists”.
This is just how hate groups work. There’s a target for hate, say a black man that raped a woman. We all agree that’s terrible. Then the target of hatred becomes broader. Maybe it’s all black criminals. Then it becomes broader, maybe it’s black people that dress a certain way or talk a certain way. Then eventually it’s just hating black people.
That’s what’s happening here. You start out “just criticzing Israel”. Then you’re hating some people in the IDF committing war crimes, then it’s all of the IDF, then it’s all Israelis. Now you’re explanding to hating Jews in Canada. If you’re hating Canadian Jews, you’re not “just criticizing Israel”, you’re being straight up antisemitic. Especially considering the context of that racist violence that’s happening to Jews in Canada already. You’re throwing more fuel on the fire of antisemitism.
Try as you will to rationalize your way out of this, I don’t care. If you’re pushing narratives that result in violent attacks against Jews in Canada, you’re an antisemite. Go to the US and live among the bigots there, you don’t belong in Canada.
I read the article. It’s not the best prose, but it’s well-sourced, and I didn’t detect any falsehoods. The article doesn’t excuse or condone, and least of all does it encourage, violence toward Jews. It simply describes, among other things, prevailing attitudes toward Israel, and the actions thereof, among Canadian Jews.
Accurately describing the attitudes held by Canadian Jews toward Israel does not constitute anti-Semitism. Identifying as a Jew does not give anyone a free pass to support genocide without being subject to criticism.
Claiming that criticism of Zionism will inevitably lead to anti-Semitism is transparently fallacious. Zionism is a political ideology, not a religion or an ethnicity. Based on the available data, conflating Zionism with Judaism will only serve to increase anti-Jewish sentiment in Canada, and presumably elsewhere. If that isn’t your goal, you’re going about things the wrong way.
Cry about it
Jews are welcome in Canada. I shed no tears over the violent deaths of Zionists.
Neither of these statements is antisemetic.
So when someone shoots at a synagogue in Canada is that antisemitic?
When someone writes an article rationalizing violence against Canadian Jews is that antisemitic?
When someone spread that article, is that antisemitic?
How was anything I said antisemetic?
I’m asking you some questions. Why won’t you answer them?
I’ve seen your other comments in this thread, you’re not acting in good faith.
I know you’re not acting in good faith. You’re not answering the questions because you know a) shooting at synagogues is antisemitic, b) rationalizing why it’s ok to shoot at synogogues is antisemitic and c) spreading these rationalizations is antisemitic.
You’re part of an antisemitic movement and you’re too much of a coward to face up to that fact.
What part of this article is antisemetic?
