A slim majority of voting Democrats defied leader Jeffries, backing failed Massie amendment to cut $3.3 billion

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      Plus all of the Republicans.

      (Yes, I know the fascist fucks are a lost cause and that’s why they don’t get mentioned, but we should still maintain the expectation anyway.)

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        nothing to apologize for, not mentioning republicans in these situations leads directly to .ml style dumbdumbitis

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      If the Senate flips in the Midterms, one of the first things they need to do is replace Schmuck as leader, then investigate him. He couldn’t have done a worse job as Senate minority leader if he’d been paid, and they should make sure that wasn’t the case.

      He doesn’t get to do the worst job of any minority leader in history, and just walk away with over $200 million in insider trading, and who knows what other corruption, without explaining himself. He needs to leave in humiliating fashion, explaining to America how he thought supporting Israel and Insider Trading was more important to him than getting health care for Americans, or even preserving the shitty system we had.

      Ending the government shutdown last Fall, and surrendering our health care, just as the pressure was starting to work, was one of the worst government betrayals I’ve ever witnessed. How the MAGA comedy duo of Schmuck & Jeffries weren’t forced to resign in humiliation is beyond me.

      He needs to leave in public disgrace, that’s what he’s EARNED.

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        Idk about worst minority leader in history…Dennis Hastert did all of that, plus fucked kids.

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        The insider trading thing got explained by Mike Johnson -

        Since members of Congess only make 174,000 / year they need to insider trade stocks to make enough money…

        Because being a politician isn’t seen as a public duty anymore but a full time career

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    I heard an interesting theory from a YouTube video creator who made political videos (can’t recall who)

    But the gist was this.

    Democratic reps and congressmen take turns voting against the people’s wishes. So that no single one has a long track record of going against the people. Just a handful of times.

    With, of course, the majority vote being orchestrated behind the doors.

    This is how so many of Trump’s cabinet picks had Dems voting for them but a different Dem every time.

    So no single Dem could be called out for “always voting with Republicans”.

    I think this woman who theorized this is on to something. Wish I could remember who it was. But yeah I think she’s right. It’s all orchestrated.

    The Dems are intentionally losing bills and budgets that the people want.

    They have been, and are currently, working with the “opposition”. Because most of both sides are actually all working for Israel’s goals And billionaire’s goals.

    Certainly Not ours.

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      I’ve heard this from a lot of leftist streamers and youtube creators as “rotating villain” theory. It’s basically proven, as only when a majority is gained do congress people start flaking off of what should be an obvious win. Leiberman, Sinema, Cuellar, Fetterman, Manchin, etc.

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        Yes, those people were notoriously loyal otherwise…

        Or maybe these same people all tend to come up on close votes and we don’t pay attention to who voted for or against the housing reform bill that just passed because they didn’t matter this time.

        Either name a dem that voted against the housing reform bill or drop “rotating villain” as the always go-to theory.

        It’s a good thing to keep it mind, but it generally isn’t applying in this political environment.

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      Oh, yeah, that’s an old strategy. If you’ve got a Dem Rep in a purple district, they can’t vote for that Commie bill, or they’ll lose their seat to a MAGA. There may be a few of them, so when it comes time for the vote, they let a few cross over, so they don’t get slammed in the election for being too liberal.

      But they should still pass their bill by a vote or two. When they are letting enough cross to sink a bill, or to vote for the other side? That’s political party treason, and the party needs to explain themselves.

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      I don’t know what youtuber you saw say that, but it sounds like something that the Drey Dossier might make a video about. Any chance it was them?

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        It might have been. I believe I saw the video around when the Epstein votes were being done. I mostly remember the content and not the person. I remembered it was a youngish woman. But that’s the limit of my recollection of the person.

        But sounds like a few other people have noticed this trend. Another comment says it’s called “rotating villain”.

        I remember when the Republicans were voting on releasing the Epstein files there were people saying that the Republicans were rotating people who voted yays and nays because a lot of Republicans citizens were also demanding the release of the files so they had to pretend to support it.

        I think this is around when I saw the video that said Dems do something similar.

        Sorry my memory isn’t better. It’s definitely been a while since I saw it.

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          Understandable. I hadn’t heard this idea before today but I will admit, whether true or not it certainly makes incredible sense.

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      Might be their strategy, doesn’t matter for me. Democrats who even voted no once to Bernie’s stop arms sails is clearly victims of lobbying and did so to preserve their positions. So they can’t be trusted no matter how many times they vote yes to stop arms sales. This is the level at which people should held them accountable.

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        Wasn’t an influencer and they had examples. It was someone who made YouTube videos about political content. Not all women making videos are “influencers”.

        I don’t think it’s far fetched to consider the corp Dems are using a playbook. They have a strategy. They don’t just wing it.

        Wasn’t it revealed recently that booker was a guest to some Republican billionaires meeting at a hotel or something?

        They are all in it together.

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          Yes, anyone making a video on social media is an influencer, especially if they make content meant to influence. Political influencers are influencers. Influencers you agree with are influencers. Anyway I didn’t realize Booker was all Dems. Was he a guest at a Republican billionaires meeting at a hotel or something? You can’t take a half-beat to confirm before accusing? This is exactly what I’m talking about; Second or third hand conjecture used to demonize an entire party that encompasses three fourths of voters rather than doing the legwork of looking at readily available information. Now think, who does this behavior benefit? And it’s not just you, this is all political discourse at the moment. It’s no wonder foreign state actors spend millions under the table on American influencers to control narratives.
          There are absolutely Dems who need to GTFO. We can look at their actual voting records, which are generally pretty consistent, to see who’s controlled and who isn’t. Anything less is counterproductive at best and the reason conservatives are actively dismantling are government and civic protections as we bicker over trivialities in actuality.

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            I guess your definition of influencer is different than mine. I think of influencers as a face selling products and lifestyle crap. Basically advertising.

            But your definition expands to include pretty much anyone making any commentary on anything. Even local news reporters.

            Here is the Booker incident I am referring to. https://www.wired.com/story/leak-exposes-members-of-peter-thiels-secretive-dialog-society/

            And I’m sure there are a handful of good Dems. I can think of a few. But like 80% of them are corrupt and need replaced.

            If the majority were working for the people we wouldn’t be in this shit show we are in now.

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              I think your narrow definition is part of the problem. There’s much more to sell than products and lifestyle crap. It’s why two certain countries have been funneling billions of dollars to social media political commentators. Because they’re influencers. It’s why governments are fighting so hard to gain control over those platforms, because every single video on them is meant to influence.

              I don’t know if you are familiar with Nick Powers but he is another leftist political commentator, but cites sources and had a site where you can see not only every source he uses for every video, but gobs of free spreadsheets that are completely transparent about their sources and allow anyone to keep track of both federal and state bills and who votes which way on each one. It is an amazing resource and he consistently uses it to debunk other influencers (emphasis on other) on both the left and the right. He is transparent about entities that try to pay him to speak on certain narratives or use certain soundbites and calls them out when used by others, and always asks viewers to do their own research despite the fact that his work is heavily sourced. And he is fully transparent about his position as an influencer. Anything less from any popular content creator should be seen as clear propagandizing. But yes I agree that Booker sucks, we just need to make sure we are basing him sucking on fact and not conjecture, you dig? If the majority were working for the people we wouldn’t be in this shit show we are now, I completely agree. And by majority I include the people, who are constantly working against their own best interests.

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                I’m just saying your argument is that anyone who could influence is an “influencer”.

                I’m not saying you are wrong but that we definitely have different definitions.

                I mean you could even extend that to saying a history teacher is an influencer.

                I think that definition is too loose but I acknowledge that there is no specific defined cultural definition so it’s up for personal interpretation.

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                  Technically yes, but also no. We’re talking about two different thresholds.

                  I wouldn’t call a history teacher an influencer just because they influence people. The definition is much narrower. Their influence must be online and at scale. If someone consistently posts content online and has an audience in at least the thousands, they’re an influencer, regardless of whether they’re obviously selling a product.

                  The influence itself is the commodity. Advertising is only one way to monetize it. We’ve seen adversarial governments spend billions under the table paying popular Instagram and TikTok personalities to shape public opinion, and governments around the world are fighting over control of these platforms precisely because people with large online audiences can influence beliefs and behavior at scale. That’s what makes them influencers. It isn’t my definition, it’s what the term commonly refers to. Thinking someone has to be in your face marketing to you to be an influencer only serves to make influencers more effective at shaping public opinion.

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            Almost the entire party (ok 2/3s) did vote no to some of Bernie’s stop arms sales to Israel motions. So I think it is ok to demonize them when majority of the party seems to be in there for their own interests.

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    As a JEW I’m TERRIFIED now! I CANT believe Lawmakers think it’s OK to NOT send our Tax Dollars to a Foreign Country I’ll NEVER Visit so they can have things I’ll NEVER Have while SABOTAGING the Iran Conflict by CONTINUALLY Shooting babies in the Face! I’m TERRIFIED!

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    Cue 6 op eds explaining how some Jewish person is vaguely scared because of this vote, meanwhile no op eds from the genocide victim families

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    defied Jefferies

    Bullshit

    In a lengthy statement the day before the vote, Jeffries said that the amendment was “overly broad” because it would limit “funds for longstanding initiatives,” including refugee resettlement and peacebuilding, and that it would “restrict our country’s ability to confront Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations.”

    Jeffries said he would not whip other members to vote against the amendment and acknowledged that urgent changes were needed to American policy toward Israel.

    He didn’t think it was pro-Israel enough, but wouldn’t organize Dem votes against it.

    Don’t let neoliberals pretend to be progressive

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      Party members voting independently with their brain, what a quaint concept. Stalin and Mao would have never let that slide.

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        They both had the single party cooperation the oligarchs have in modern America…

        You get that right?

        Stalin and Mao lied about being communists and had an oligarch class like we do right now?

        Anyone that doesn’t like those two, should be the most pissed off at our current polticial environment

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    that result tells us again, that Israel controls the usa. Its ok to fund genocide. your tax dollars at work.

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      Thinking that Israel controls America is like thinking the knife controls the serial killer because he spends money on sharpening it.

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        That’s incorrect. This has been going in for ages. The lobby and Moussad are powerful. Vote out every one who said no or present and charge them with treason.

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          This has been going in for ages.

          Yes, because America has America has had strategic interests (read: reasons to do imperialism) in the Middle East for ages.

          The lobby and Moussad are powerful.

          Yes, because they’re allowed to be powerful. There’s a reason no other country gets to manipulate American domestic politics this openly, not even longtime American allies in NATO. If money and a good intelligence agency were all you needed to control the strongest military power in the world everybody would be doing it. The fact of the matter American elites need a reliable thug in the region to do their dirty work for them and Israel does that job well enough that American elites feel the need to protect it from popular backlash. Compare how mainstream media talked/talks about Trump getting bribes from the Gulf States to how Israel’s antics get reported on and you’ll see what I mean; if Israel wasn’t valuable to the people running the show they’d have tossed it overboard a long time ago.