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- texas@lemmy.world
A nearby school has just finished construction and is planning to open next week. However, it’s already been struck multiple times by bullets escaping a shooting range a mile or so away. They’ve released notices telling people to avoid one side of the building due to the stray bullets and adjusted activities to the late evening when the range is closed.
After asking the range to improve it’s quality so that this doesn’t happen, the shooting range apparently told them to pound sand. Now there’s a big lawsuit trying to force this shooting range to actually stop the bullets being fired so they don’t kill children because they refuse to do anything.
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That’s pretty fucked up. I’ve been to a shooting range in my state and it I think they designed it so it’s impossible for bullets to escape. I mean, maybe if you wanted to shoot through the roof you could manage it.
Outdoor range. Berm stop. Sounds like they just need to raise the berm height and kick morons off the range who shoot too high.
Kinda hard to prove if someone shoots high unless they do it constantly. I think the better option is the range paying for a physical barrier, essentially creating a berm in between the school and the range but much much closer to the school.
Nah, fuck that, the bullets need to come to a full stop inside the shooting range. You wanna run a business on giving people a place to shoot? It’s your responsibility to make sure nobody outside the range is getting shot.
The gun range was there first. It was up to the city planners not to put a fucking middle school in the firing line of a gun range.
And the gun range is perfectly free to remain there and keep operating. This isn’t some sort of nuisance like noise, it’s a potential case of manslaughter. Owning land and operating a business there doesn’t entitle you to externalize the risk of death to people on land you don’t even own. If things outside the range are getting shot as anything more than a freak occurrence, that’s a failure of the business to plan for what is then clearly a very predictable outcome. I don’t give a shit if beyond the range is untamed wilds, a conference of CEOs, a school, a hospital, whatever. None of that changes the fact you don’t have the right to pepper the land beyond yours with lead.
My god, the point is protecting kids not fucking litigation - pull your head out of your ass and think for a second.
Yeah, no shit, that’s why I didn’t say anything at all about litigation and only commented on how the firing range needs to ensure bullets stop inside their land. If you wanna give me grief for my comments, at least bitch about the things I actually said.
Having a business model that involves stray bullets regularly leaving the premises is an interesting thing to defend.
Bullets go far, boom boom out of gun - rifle go boom and bullet go very far.
Long distanced outdoor shooting ranges aren’t uncommon or unheard of. Whoever put the school here is a moron.
Nah, this is a problem for the range to solve. If the bullets can travel for miles, they need to own miles of land. Or build facing a hill.
No, they need to stop the rounds within their boundary. Who else is in danger because of this, it won’t be just the school.
Having stray rounds frequently leaving their premises is totally unacceptable, and they need to cease operating until the problem is solved.
The shooting range has been there since 1980 - congratulations on being dead wrong.
It hasn’t been an issue before this, it wouldn’t have been an issue if they hadn’t put a school downrange.
So they’ve been doing dodgy shit since then, that’s not a defence. They need to stop discharging fucking projectiles from their property.
This isn’t a noise problem, where “I was here first” is a legitimate defence. The range needs to cease operating until they can find a solution.
Lol just because this the first you’ve heard of it doesn’t mean it didn’t exist as a problem prior. Bullets leaving the range is a massive issue whether there’s a school or an empty field.
You got a link to a story or something?
Of course a school in Texas would have an Imperial Star Destroyer…
Ew. FOX.
I first thought this was an onion article.
Shooting range just leaks bullets and is allowed to continue to exist? What?
Seriously, what the fuck.
The entire god damn point of a shooting range is to be a safe place to shoot a weapon.
It’s failing at it’s one job.
There’s an injunction now to keep them from using firearms capable of reaching the school.
Murrica
Article instead of an anecdote?
Can you not simply shoot into the shooting range to stop all the shooting out?
While nothing is too crazy to be true these days, this sounds wild even for God’s Own Country™.
Most American school ever
The new school doesn’t show up on Google maps yet, but here is the distance between the range and school site.
Damn yeah thats just directly north downrange lol
I don’t understand how this wasn’t a problem before the school… That shooting range is just pointing at an apparent neighborhood with a small berm at the end of the lanes and then, just pasture?
Oh, well, this is Texas, they probably think catching a few strays will toughen them up. The Texas government hates its own people almost as much as they hate people from everywhere else.
I think the houses are far enough off the direction of fire that they haven’t been hit, whereas the school is in the line of fire.
Or they’ve just been lucky?
Oh wow, the range directly faces the school.
Yeah, that’s terrifying.
Source?
That’s just an US school being christened.
'Murica!
How’s all that freedom and winning going?
Theyre tenderizing the meat before they go for the full course.
I really have a hard time believing this even just from a ballistics standpoint, bullets are not lasers and from a mile (ish) away there is absolutely no way they could be hitting unless they were aiming specifically for it. Bullets travel in a massive parabola so the shooter would need to be aiming so far above any kind of target that this is incredibly unlikely
It’s likely that the trajectory is common for bullets that just barely go over the berm. It sounds like an incredible coincidence of math.
Yeah, shots hitting the berm just right can deflect like that, and there’s also situations where bullets can ricochet or get deflected during normal shooting in a manner that could cause them to travel that far.
If it’s happening with any regularity though, I would say there’s either a design issue with the range, or the people there are assholes
I would hazard a guess that yes, the range needs to raise the berm height and ban shooters who regularly shoot over it.
The .338 Lapua is a round designed for long distance shooting and at a mile its bullet drop is 32 yards or 96 feet. That’s almost like a raindrop in a windstorm, and it means you’d have to aim so absurdly high over a target it would be intentional. There is no just slipping over the berm, unless the berm is within a few hundred feet of the school.
What about 9mm (most common)?
And lots of shooters are TERRIBLE.
And with FRTs becoming more common, bad shooters are becoming even worse shots. (The rapid firing walks the impact of successive shots higher)
I want to say smaller bullets tend to suffer more from drag and so can’t go as far. It’s not that drag is heavier, but that it’s heavier in proportion to the mass of the bullet.
I wouldn’t be concerned about a handgun cartridge vs. a long range sniper cartridge with roughly 10x the muzzle energy.
I think the point I’m trying to make is that the super long range rounds can make it that far down range but most “common” rounds would need to be fired at like a 45° angle to even have a chance of making it that far.
A common 9mm round has a bullet drop of about 11 feet or 3.35 meters at 500 yards and at 1000 yards it has a drop of 368 feet (~120 yards) or 112 meters and the school is over 2,000 yards away.
I’d recommend looking up slow motion videos of long-range target shooters because the bullet arc almost looks like a banana and it’s honestly fascinating.
Regardless can we all fucking agree that there should not be a shooting range within a mile of a school?
It isnt within a mile of the school if you look it up on the map.
Instead how about not within a 1mile range AND nothing should be downrange of one for well over 10miles unless properly blocked by a catch wall, or massive mount of dirt or something.
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Gun owners are, by definition, myopic and irresponsible. They like to do pranks, like celebratory gunfire. This kind of gunfire kills people all the time. You’re more likely to die catching a bullet this way, than people who get shot on purpose. That’s because the bullet moving downward is likely to strike the head, shoulders, or (if you’re lucky) feet.
Bullets like this are fatal even if fired miles away and slowed to terminal velocity. The average gun owner may not realize that bullets are purposefully designed to move through air quite efficiently and do damage to anything they strike.
Stray bullets fired from long distances are absolutely fatal.
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