• idunnololz
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      246 months ago

      And always wash your hands after playing with your deck.

    • @MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world
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      256 months ago

      It’s still unlimited (with a minimum) for constructed as far as I’m aware, except EDH at exactly 100. You just have to be able to shuffle the entire deck unassisted without resorting to piles and stuff. It would also be a terrible strategy to dilute your best cards since there can only be four copies. I’m sure there’s some crazy gimmick deck that works with 250 cards that only Shaq can play.

      • @HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world
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        106 months ago

        So I use a shuffler after a bad accident and some nerve damage. Am I permanently banned from MtG tournaments or do I gotta take asscrack photos first?

        • @MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world
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          76 months ago

          The asscrack photos would probably help, but I’m sure they’d let you use a proxy shuffler who wasn’t otherwise playing in the tournament. Maybe that’s the loophole. Get into a terrible car accident, and hire a giant to shuffle for you.

      • @NECRO_PASTORAL@lemmy.world
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        66 months ago

        Well I guess I’m shaq. Well. On arena.

        If you take 4 60 card decks that all have synergistic opening lines… That’s 240. Add 10 one drop utility cards and boop you have a 250 card deck. I’ve done it in arena and they are very fun to play.

        • @MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world
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          16 months ago

          Could you use the handle Gheorghe Mureșan and exclusively use decks over 300 cards? You’d have to learn Romanian for the bit to work though.

    • Dr. Coomer
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      46 months ago

      By anything, did they mean in terms of card limit or literally anything? Cause if it was the latter, then I can imagine the chaos

      • 🇰 🔵 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️
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        I started off when the game was still brand spanking new; they had no limits on either deck size or what could be in it. Half the cards I own are now banned in tournaments because I haven’t bought new cards since high school (I graduated in 2003 for reference) and I had thought the deck size was limited, too, now but another poster points out that is still unlimited for the most part.

  • @roofuskit@lemmy.world
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    476 months ago

    Does it though? Nobody trying to actually compete is going to bring a super large deck. It’s only going to hurt your odds of drawing what you need.

    • @schmidtster@lemmy.world
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      156 months ago

      Why would the odds change if the ratio of cards are the same? You don’t just build a large deck with filler.

      • Sage the Lawyer
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        496 months ago

        According to a quick google, you can only have up to three of the same cards in a Yu-Gi-Oh deck. So you can’t keep the ratios the same.

        I don’t play Yu-Gi-Oh, but I play Magic, and it’s similar there, but you can have up to four of any card.

        I imagine most trading card games are like this, otherwise you could just make a deck of only the most OP card or something. Not exactly fun to build, or play, or play against.

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          When did magic introduce that rule it’s been ages since I’ve played, I also imagine that doesn’t apply to land, so you land to monster ratio wouldn’t change.

          And I believe those rules wree introduced to yugioh after this debacle, I could be wrong. But it’s not about the individual cards, you need monsters/traps/energy ratios. Those odds wouldn’t change.

          • @Vedlt@lemmy.world
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            126 months ago

            I started playing during revised, specifically with the Fallen Empires expansion, and thought that the 4 card limit had always been a part of the game. I looked at my Pocket Players Guide from around that time and could not find that rule. After a little bit of research I ran into this comment on reddit, https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2jxr9z/comment/clh3ip7 which seems to have an answer although their source linked no longer works. In 1996 the mirage rule book has the 4 card limit listed under “house rules” and in 1999 the Sixth Edition Comprehensive Rules Document has the 4 card limit listed as rule 100.2

            Again unfortunately the link to that document is broken so we can’t be 100% sure, but it seems the answer is sometime between Mirage in 1996 and Sixth Edition in 1999

            • @schmidtster@lemmy.world
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              The 1998 tournament guide I found doesn’t mention anything about card limits except for single cards and banned cards.

              Mentions the 40 card minimum for drafting.

              But that doesn’t line up with people saying ice age, since ice age is 1995(?). So it seems to be officially in 1999 and was a house rule somehow before that. Weird it being a house rule before official though…

          • HobbitFoot
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            76 months ago

            Four card limits were implemented in the 1990’s; I remember it when Ice Age was released.

            • @schmidtster@lemmy.world
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              66 months ago

              What year was that? I found a 1998 tournament pamphlet and nothing about 4 card limits and still had 40 card minimum.

              • Sage the Lawyer
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                46 months ago

                That might be a limited (sealed/draft) tournament, where you have to build your deck out of cards you get from packs at the start of the tournament. To this day, those tournaments have 40 card deck minimums and no 4 card limits.

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                  Pamphlet included all the types of tourneys, talked about single limit cards and banned cards as well.

                  I can’t find anything concrete online with a specific date or even pack release that coincides with it.

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            It doesn’t apply to just basic lands, yeah. But any special lands you can only have 4. It’s been a rule for as long as I’ve played (since 2017), but I do know it wasn’t a rule at the start of the game. I think they added it pretty early on though, as a response to people making decks out of just channel and fireball for instant wins.

            And, sure, you could keep the ratio of card types the same, but while I don’t play Yu-Gi-Oh, I have to imagine there are some cards better than other cards. So to make a deck that big, you’d have to include cards that just aren’t as good. Playable, sure, but I can’t imagine it finding its best cards consistently enough to be competitive.

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              The point of a large deck (different school of thoughts for large decks) is to drag a game out and wear the opponent or their deck down. A lot of the cards would be considered filler to someone who wants certain monsters. The point of a large deck isn’t certain cards. It’s the ratio between types.

              So yeah you don’t get your pretty little dragon card, but it doesn’t matter, that’s not the strategy.

              This yugioh one in particular was about shuffling the deck, it had to be done properly or would be disqualified for not shuffling properly. So all he needed was one card that caused shuffle and it would take 30 minutes to properly shuffle. Lots of cards trigger shuffle, just need the ratio of types to stay alive till than.

              If people didn’t surrender, they would probably win, but at what time cost.

              • Sage the Lawyer
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                I guess I don’t really understand Yu-Gi-Oh all that well. I know in Magic there’s a bit of a meme deck based around the card Battle of Wits, which basically says if you have over 200 cards in your library at the start of your turn you win the game. But it was never truly competitive because other decks would run it over before they could find and play one of those 4 cards in their 300 card deck or whatever. The synergies in other decks were just too strong for it to survive long enough. People occasionally got lucky enough to place well in a tourney here and there, but it was never a meta deck in competitive play.

                Kinda figured that same problem would exist in Yu-Gi-Oh but yeah, I don’t really know enough to say.

                I see what you’re saying about the shuffling, that would be annoying as hell. Do Yu-Gi-Oh rounds not have time limits?

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                  46 months ago

                  A Battle of Wits deck is different than what the Yu-Gi-Oh deck was trying to do.

                  Battle of Wits, while goofy, is a legitimate win condition and the player is trying to win the game by playing a card.

                  In contrast, the gigantic Yu-Gi-Oh deck isn’t trying to win, but force a draw by taking up the round’s time by constantly shuffling the deck. It would be like a Magic deck built around playing Shahrazad until an opponent quit or time was called. You aren’t playing to win, but draw.

          • @Chocrates@lemmy.world
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            26 months ago

            I started playing magic around 2004 or 2005 and I believe it was in the rules then. And no, basic land cards don’t abide by the 4 copy rule, but any non basic land does

          • @AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
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            I will admit that I didn’t start playing M:TG until Revised came out, but the limit of 4 of one type of card (excluding land) has always been in the rules. My brothers and I would make ridiculous decks at first, but we always only had four of any given spell card.

            IIRC the minimum deck size was 40 or 60 cards

            • @schmidtster@lemmy.world
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              No it hasn’t always been in the rules, we used to play in official tournaments with loaded decks, I think someone abused it with a certain rare card now that I’m trying to remember.

              • @averagedrunk@lemmy.ml
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                26 months ago

                Black lotus, channel, fireball. That was the crazy meta abuse with a 1 turn kill. By the third turn you’d have to have a terrible draw in order to not win.

                I thought, though I could be wrong because it was a thousand years ago, that the 4 card rule came between beta and unlimited, but it could have been unlimited and revised. I started with beta and it definitely wasn’t in effect then. Folks coming at you with a hand full of lotuses, dark rituals, moxes, and fireballs.

              • @Ledivin@lemmy.world
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                It was a rule since very, very close to the beginning. We’re talking 4th or 5th set ever released. I’m not sure what official tournaments you were playing it, but they were either ignoring the rules or they were in the first year or two of the game being released.

          • FfaerieOxide
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            When did magic introduce that rule it’s been ages since I’ve played

            It’s been the rule at least since Ice Age all cards sans basic lands had a 4-cap limit.

            I recall, it was a dude what had a deck containing nothing but Fireball, Channel, and Black Lotus so there must have been a time that sort of behavior flew.

            so you land to monster ratio wouldn’t change

            Which is fine if you’re a Timmy sleeving fungible bears I suppose.

        • @schmidtster@lemmy.world
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          66 months ago

          The point of a large deck wouldn’t be for specific cards. It would be for actions. You just need proper ratios of cards to be able to play while waiting for one of many cards to trigger the action. This one was shuffle. Plenty of cards can trigger a shuffle.

    • @SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml
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      I played Magic back in the day and the goal was to play the smallest deck possible.

      Although I do have to say this guy would have easily beaten my millstone/control deck. I would have just resigned as soon as he sat down.

      • Dangdoggo
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        The deck was a miller, basically every card was centered around forcing the other player to draw. Most cards that make your opponent draw also have you draw, but with a 2222 card deck you just draw and draw and draw, until they had no more cards to draw, then they lose.

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    Dude on the right looking like Data in The Long Goodbye.