• 567PrimeMover
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    1386 months ago

    This is what I mention when I’m covertly pushing “radical” ideas such as 4 day work weeks. We have all of these technological advancements - Why can’t the workers see some of those benefits instead of them being funneled to the top in the form of extra profits?

    • @Wogi@lemmy.world
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      636 months ago

      The machine must be fed.

      The goal was never leisure. The goal was always profit. And so we feed the profit machine, and when we run out of resources, we’ll start throwing in sacrifices.

      Because the machine must be fed.

      • @gramathy@lemmy.ml
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        156 months ago

        If chatGPT was marketed towards workers filing reports for idiot bosses that won’t know the difference it would have been made illegal within the month

    • @Xanis@lemmy.world
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      356 months ago

      Stop pushing the idea of four day work weeks. Begin promoting the idea of three day weekends.

      I bet you’ll start getting different responses.

      • @DillyDaily@lemmy.world
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        56 months ago

        My organisation does 4 day work weeks. But we chain our staff so only some of us have a 3 day weekend. My day off is usually either Tuesday or Wednesday (by choice, I could take Monday if I wanted).

        It works for me because I have a normal weekend with my friends and family to do weekend stuff, and then my day off doesn’t really feel like a true weekend so I use it to catch up on errands, housework, medical appointments, etc. Meaning unlike most of my peers who have to do it all on the weekend, my real weekend is pure fun. I don’t do any serious housework on my weekend, I have a weekday where I work on myself and my home.

      • @PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee
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        56 months ago

        Honestly I just like the idea of it because if someone decides they really want to grind for a bit they can now take up a second up to full time job without worrying about most of the shit employers will give you for that.

        What I think should be the standard is a “full time” job being 18 hours in a week of work time, including commuting, with any time above every additional multiple of 18 immediately paying out as 2.5x the pay that’s been earned so far. Doesn’t just give people their free time back in spades, it also significantly discourages extorting workers for overtime instead of staffing adequately because now it’s literally more expensive to pay out any overtime at all than it would have been to just hire the additional worker at equal pay, and that effect ramps up exponentially too, by the time you’re at the soul grind of a 40 hour week you’ve already tapped your employer so hard it would have been cheaper to hire 5 additional workers than it was to make you work that 40 hour week.

      • 567PrimeMover
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        116 months ago

        Going to take this into account… I may have been approaching this the wrong way

    • @psud@lemmy.world
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      86 months ago

      Try 30 hour week. It’s superior to 4 “days” of random length. I had a couple of Philippines based contractors on my team who had 4 day weeks, but they still needed to work 40 hours

    • @Asafum@feddit.nl
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      We almost had a 4 day work week implemented at my job, but some Big Brain said “NO! We need to be shipping 5 days a week!”

      90% of the time we don’t ship things out on Friday…

  • Kbin_space_program
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    Because the Greeks you hear about were the aristocracy. You don’t hear how some estimates of the population breakdown were more than 80%-90% slaves.

    Just like how you hear of the 300 Spartans, but not the several thousand Thebians, most of whom were slaves, who also defended the pass.

  • @afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
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    706 months ago

    To be fair 1/3 of women don’t die in childbirth, 1/2 of children don’t die before they are ten, we have weed and booze they could never have dreamed of, freaken chocolate and aspirin, and you are highly unlikely to become a sex slave. It was paradise for a very small fraction of the population and rape/slavery/castration for the rest.

    Still I could go for an orgy and some figs if anyone is in the mood.

    • @Shareni@programming.dev
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      36 months ago

      weed

      Weed is better today, but you wouldn’t get arrested for it back then

      chocolate

      Ah yes, the industry that depends on child labor, human trafficking, and slavery…

      aspirin

      Chew willow bark

      It was paradise for a very small fraction of the population and rape/slavery/castration for the rest.

      Yeah, today you don’t buy agrarian slaves, instead you just magically get cheap bananas, chocolate, oil, lithium, etc.

      Out of sight, out of mind?

    • drphungky
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      126 months ago

      I am from now on referring to local produce clubs as “Strawberries As A Service”. Thank you.

    • This actually points to the root of the problem. You couldn’t do that kind of retail subscription nonsense in ancient times because the bookkeeping, identity management, and fraud prevention would have been a nightmare. Since we found out how to automate all of those problems away, here we are.

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        Sort of, my point is really that there are new kinds of work that were not really conceivable at the time, most of which has no direct influence on whether you’re fed, clothed, housed, and healthy. (Indirectly is another matter, North Korean’s wisest minds centrally decide what really matters and look where that gets them… Not a 3 day work week)

    • cannache
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      16 months ago

      Shit should be free, or cheaper at least, if you’re poor, trying to draw blood from a stone is how the poor stay poor and the elite fall to pieces and lose their entire hierarchy

      • 🐑🇸 🇭 🇪 🇪 🇵 🇱 🇪🐑
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        That’s actually exactly why it took the Romans so long to technologically advance. “The slaves do the job well enough”.

        The idea of water powered mills and general aqueducts were mind-blowing to them and took a while to catch on. It seemed utterly unfathomable when everyone relied so much on slaves

        • @MoonMoon@lemmy.world
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          Which is similar to my theory of why the industrial revolution took place in the west. High populations in the east meant that labor was always cheaper and more efficient than trying to get compliacted machinery to do the job. It’s why a lot of manufacturing still happens in the east, because machines can’t do everything and the best robot is still a human being with a good jig.

          • @afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
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            36 months ago

            And within the West it was in the places without slavery. As countries gave up their colonial slaves, serfs, peasants, etc. they started advancing. The countries that reverted back via fascism and the like saw themselves broken.

            A slave works to the point where they are no longer whipped. An employee, in theory at least, is rewarded with higher pay for being more productive. Sometimes I wonder if anyone has researched the industries that pretty much pay everyone the same minimum wage and their output over time. I go to client sites and some of them everyone is paid terribly and the efficiency is staggering low.

  • @pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
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    406 months ago

    When I went freelance, it was hard not having a boss at first, now I’m totally into it. It took around a year for me to get everything to where I felt good about it. I think a lot of people don’t realize that the uncomfortable feeling of not having a boss usually doesn’t last forever. The people who liked working from home probably get it. We are taught to have bosses from a very early age.

  • @Vlyn@lemmy.zip
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    346 months ago

    I mean the rich people are eating figs, on their yachts, on their way to their winter home, to go skiing with their family.

    Yeah…

  • @Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
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    186 months ago

    I mean, precisely because of that people indeed now do have fig orgies outside. Just don’t count workers as people.

  • PopcornChickn
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    166 months ago

    WE BUILT THIS CITY

    WE BUILT THIS CITY

    WE BUILT THIS CITY ON GRIM AND TOLL.

    • @ByteWizard@lemm.ee
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      16 months ago

      LoL. Currency has nothing to do with scarcity.

      Currency is an invention of necessity. It permits bartering at a much greater scale. It’s been a feature of pretty much every society, ever.