Donald Trump has said that he will not become a dictator if he becomes US president again except “on day one”, after warnings from Democrats and some Republicans that the US was in danger of becoming an autocracy if he wins the 2024 election. Fuck, well at least he’s honest on this statement

  • Bappity
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    7 months ago

    if the US actually re elect him they’re fucked

    • enkers
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      7 months ago

      Yup, and Trump doesn’t have a choice. It’s looking more and more likely that he’s going to lose a lot of money and potentially face jail time. His only way out is to seize power. Since he’s backed himself into a corner, he’ll try everything to steal the next election, including another coup attempt.

      I don’t personally think it’ll work, but on the slim chance it does many of us will be facing an existential threat which will require swift action. He’s already publicly stated that he sees leftists as vermin which need to be eradicated, and I, for one, don’t want to give him the chance to act on that threat.

      • @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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        617 months ago

        Yeah and Donnie’s definition of leftist is anyone that isn’t actively deep throating his boot

      • deweydecibel
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        7 months ago

        Of course he has a choice.

        He can choose facing the consequences of his actions.

        If that’s unappealing, he can also choose to, let’s say, “pull an Epstein”.

        Let’s not give him the benefit of saying this is the only “strategy” he has left, because that implies you can’t blame him for trying. Like any reasonable person in his position would do the same thing.

        And that’s complete nonsense. He’s not an animal stuck in a bear trap, he’s a human being, who has been very open about his penchant for fascism long before he was charged.

          • @hydrospanner@lemmy.world
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            27 months ago

            Nobody said otherwise.

            If somehow, Trump managed to off himself despite constant monitoring by his secret service detail, what a shame that’d be.

            I might have to take a day off of work just to celebrate.

        • enkers
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          I’m speaking pragmatically. Perhaps ‘choice’ wasn’t the best word.

          He can choose facing the consequences of his actions.

          If that’s unappealing, he can also choose to, let’s say, “pull an Epstein”.

          I find both of these alternatives extremely unlikely, but here’s hoping.

      • @DogWater@lemmy.world
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        27 months ago

        The leftists need to learn how to use guns and own them. SocialistRA and liberalgunowners are communities that welcome leftist gun enthusiasts and new comers who want to learn for whatever reason.

        • @Honytawk@lemmy.zip
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          107 months ago

          There are plenty of “leftists” who own guns in the US.

          They just don’t flaunt it around like the rightards do.

          • @DogWater@lemmy.world
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            17 months ago

            As evident by the 2 orgs I Listed in my comment. I’m aware, but most of the left aren’t gun owners, like 70%. I’m obviously not talking about the ones who already are.

      • kpw
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        -107 months ago

        Hard to say what would have happened, but I feel like I was pretty much unaffected as an European the last time.

        • @Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world
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          237 months ago

          It is difficult to say because you do not observe the counterfactual. I would definitely say we would have progressed more on climate action if HRC had become president. Also, the culture war issues would have definitely played out differently. The Trump presidency also emboldened Putin, which may have affected the situation in Ukraine. But again, in foreign policy so many things happen simultaneously that it’s often difficult to pinpoint direct causes.

        • I live in europe currently, and there’s been a hard right turn here since trump seriously got on the scene. In france Macron only beat the female french trump by a small margin. In Italy, they’ve elected a hard right person as their leader, In switzerland, the right wing party is in power. Trump was the first domino to fall and now we’re going to be seeing shit like that all over.

          but yeah, I was pretty much not directly affected by any of that shit that happened stateside.

        • K[r]ukenberg
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          37 months ago

          If that is the objective truth, then count yourself lucky for being a white, ethno-european, climate denier.

          • kpw
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            17 months ago

            Yeah, probably wasn’t great for climate action, but that’s true for all conservative politicians not just the crazy ones. How did Trump affect whites and non-whites living in Europe differently?

            • @rambaroo@lemmy.world
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              37 months ago

              Stuff and reasons, basically. But actually the worst thing he could do is try to leave or undermine NATO, and ditch Ukraine

      • Nougat
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        227 months ago

        The right wing in America has been sliding further right for a long time, and tending to drag the left along with it. (Nobody is under the impression that the US “left” isn’t actually center-right.) In the last decade, that rightward silde has accelerated. Trump, being the presumptive Republican nominee for president, is the “best” that the lunatic far right - not America - can push forward.

        The Democratic party, representing the left center-right, is no longer allowing itself to be dragged further right. And there remains a fairly large proportion of people who still call themselves Republicans who oppose the burgeoning fascism. Those are the people who feel politically homeless right now; they just need someplace to go and someone to vote for. Liz Cheney is floating a third party run, and I think she’s easily able to consolidate “sane conservative” support.

        I was predicting that the Republican party would split back in 2015. I had no idea they would drag on like this for so long.

        • prole
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          87 months ago

          The right wing in America has been sliding further right for a long time, and tending to drag the left along with it.

          See: Overton Window

      • @grue@lemmy.world
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        137 months ago

        We were fucked 24 years ago.

        Exactly: that’s when the first coup (the Brooks Brothers Riot) succeeded.

    • cannache
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      -57 months ago

      Let’s not demonize Trump man, he really brought what a lot of people thought would be a culture war into an economic war, which you may think is bad, but it’s actually brought a more muted epiphany for many across both sides that for many people jobs are very important to their lives, unlike in EU where places like Scandinavia, Spain or Greece see culture wars as mud to be stepped on and brushed off but economic sanction is a more realistic declaration of conflict of interest