That’s heavily cursed, I’m on and off with how I feel about games straining their mechanics like that, using speedrun strat shit basically. I had already noticed that screen transitions reset your dash when I was in the cave though!
I AM FURIOUS & IN SHAMBLES THAT CHAPTER 8 REQUIRES SOME DUMBASS COLLECTIBLE FROM THE MAIN LEVELS FUCK COLLECTATHONS FUCK BBC MICRO DEVELOPERS FUCK FLIMBO’S QUEST fuckin crystal hearts…
dysphoria. I haven’t tried since early in my transition, but I can see that the creator is trans in this work. Perhaps I’m drawing false parallels, but it triggered my dysphoria the last time I played. It’s been over a year and I’m fairly comfortable in my skin at this point, so maybe I should give it another go.
Am I a dumbass or did I miss something? I could squint abd see it here or there, but having just hit credits I actually thought Celeste was gonna be More Trans than it was, Idk… The selfie bit at the bonfire is the only thing that sticks out in my mind atm.
Fwiw though I thought it was really pleasant, maybe you should =)
“When I wrote Celeste I sincerely still believed that I was cisgender, but I was nevertheless waist-deep in gender feelings (among other anxieties). When Madeline looks in the mirror and sees her other self; when she attempts to abandon her reflection, who then drags her down the mountain; when the two reconcile and merge to become stronger and more complete… that was all unknowingly written from a trans perspective.”
i personally think it’s more effective that way. there is a trans flag at the end as a little canon-confirmation which is nice. so madeline is trans in the text. but i prefer the beautifully crafted subtext arc over having text boxes where madeline like talks about trans stuff or whatever (although i totally understand wanting more overtly trans media, i think celeste stands on its own as almost perfect the way it is). i think the amount of trans love for the game affirms that it is effective allegory.
The fact that anyone still speaks about “queer rep” in terms of ‘canon’ really shows how far behind rep is. Not sending their best
I’m not exactly asking to be told HEY, THE CURTAINS ARE NOT JUST BLUE point blank, I mean if you’re a real dumbass like me the trans flag-coloured clouds spell it out plainly. It’s undeniably textual that Celeste is trans rep, that Madeline is A Gender®, but what exactly it has to say is so interprative that I wonder if it even has a deliberately intended message about the subject. The fact that the dev wasn’t even aware of being trans at the time makes me wonder further. I guess it doesn’t really need to have a “point”, but I guess I was expecting it to considering how hyped it is in this respect. Regardless though, the textual arc about overcoming anxiety and depression is flavoured really well by the trans subtext.
I’m not against heavily interprative stuff even though I’m really stupid, but I run into subjective issues I guess. This whole passage
When Madeline looks in the mirror and sees her other self; when she attempts to abandon her reflection, who then drags her down the mountain; when the two reconcile and merge to become stronger and more complete… that was all unknowingly written from a trans perspective."
from here took me a few tries to even understand ( ) and didn’t really resonate personally. I didn’t really note it the first time through because, Idk, that experience of denying yourself and having it set you back, not something I can say I’ve had. (I know, I’m so fucking lucky) It clearly hits home for a lot of people, I actually think my wife would really like/absolutely hate that read, but to me it was kind of like Oh, Okay, I get it now, in post.
The throughline to understanding everything I’m saying (aside from the fact that I’m fucking stupid) is that none of it is actual criticism. I don’t actually have any, really; I thought it was very pleasant, it is a nice arc, I like it and it’s cool that you can read it on multiple levels… but it was weird having all of this fly clear over my head, which I guess is the other edge of the “every trans gender is a lil different an experience” sword.
It’s definitely quite possible that I read too much into it. At the start of the game, I read that sign that says, “This memorial dedicated to those who perished on the climb” and it kinda hits cause I draw parallels to all the girls we lost along the way. Also, I see the mountain as an allegory to the difficult mountain we all climb that is our transitions.
Either way, my puppy wife dissuades me every time I want to play it. Probably cause she’d want to watch and she’s not very capable of dealing with such emotions.
the memorial makes me cry:( yeah i also read the game as broadly an allegory for transitioning and overcoming all the hurdles that come with it, persevering despite it all.
I agree with you I remember seeing the dev of Celeste transitioning some time after and I thought “yeah that makes sense.” I dunno why, Celeste is just a trans game
Y’know, I don’t think we’re ever truly done transitioning. We really just reach a point where we are happy with ourselves. When we can look in the mirror in the morning and see nothing special.
it’s so worth it!!! if you don’t wanna grind it out blindly i recommend just looking up a guide and you can load level checkpoints and blaze through grabbing the hearts. you don’t have to replay the levels in full, you can load a checkpoint, grab the heart, then exit to map. then after ch. 8 you can look into the B-sides… hehehe
Well maybe I’ll give it a go then, I do enjoy the game a lot, I did grab like three or four of the b-sides, Celeste is good at making me care about its challenges. I grabbed a lot of fruits just out of stubbornness, lol
Bully me for my videogame ineptitude:
I liked it, I thought it was cute and comfy, breddy gud =) I feel kinda weird that the gameplay and story exist almost on seperate planes though…
I see no ineptitude here, you beat it after all. I beat it a few days ago!
I wasn’t going to 100% it, but yesterday I was like “I could probably get all the strawberries” and here I am doing it now
Some of those lil fruits are for fuckers, I am really peeved that I missed every crystal heart thingy though
they’re like so easy to miss lol. the mechanics to get to the first one actually broke my brain a bit
how to get it
you have to use screen transitions to reset your dash and keep going up that way. I hadn’t even considered the possibility of that
That’s heavily cursed, I’m on and off with how I feel about games straining their mechanics like that, using speedrun strat shit basically. I had already noticed that screen transitions reset your dash when I was in the cave though!
Might give this a shot…
getting the moon berry is one of my proudest achievements in videogames lol
At least you finished the game. I can’t get myself to the finish line with it even though I love the game. Though I haven’t tried in a while.
Yeah =) Too tough, or just not motivated?
also
I AM FURIOUS & IN SHAMBLES THAT CHAPTER 8 REQUIRES SOME DUMBASS COLLECTIBLE FROM THE MAIN LEVELS FUCK COLLECTATHONS FUCK BBC MICRO DEVELOPERS FUCK FLIMBO’S QUEST
fuckin crystal hearts…
It’s actually because of
discussing dysphoria
dysphoria. I haven’t tried since early in my transition, but I can see that the creator is trans in this work. Perhaps I’m drawing false parallels, but it triggered my dysphoria the last time I played. It’s been over a year and I’m fairly comfortable in my skin at this point, so maybe I should give it another go.
more of same
Fwiw though I thought it was really pleasant, maybe you should =)
https://www.mattmakesgames.com/articles/is_maddy_trans/index.html the answer is that it was a subconciously trans story
spoiler cw: gender stuff
“When I wrote Celeste I sincerely still believed that I was cisgender, but I was nevertheless waist-deep in gender feelings (among other anxieties). When Madeline looks in the mirror and sees her other self; when she attempts to abandon her reflection, who then drags her down the mountain; when the two reconcile and merge to become stronger and more complete… that was all unknowingly written from a trans perspective.”
I know, it’s not exactly subtle, quoting self downthread
Also I think the word is “subtextual”. But for how much I hear its praises sung I was expecting any amount of text I guess…
i personally think it’s more effective that way. there is a trans flag at the end as a little canon-confirmation which is nice. so madeline is trans in the text. but i prefer the beautifully crafted subtext arc over having text boxes where madeline like talks about trans stuff or whatever (although i totally understand wanting more overtly trans media, i think celeste stands on its own as almost perfect the way it is). i think the amount of trans love for the game affirms that it is effective allegory.
stupid hateful bullshit
The fact that anyone still speaks about “queer rep” in terms of ‘canon’ really shows how far behind rep is. Not sending their best
I’m not exactly asking to be told HEY, THE CURTAINS ARE NOT JUST BLUE point blank, I mean if you’re a real dumbass like me the trans flag-coloured clouds spell it out plainly. It’s undeniably textual that Celeste is trans rep, that Madeline is A Gender®, but what exactly it has to say is so interprative that I wonder if it even has a deliberately intended message about the subject. The fact that the dev wasn’t even aware of being trans at the time makes me wonder further. I guess it doesn’t really need to have a “point”, but I guess I was expecting it to considering how hyped it is in this respect. Regardless though, the textual arc about overcoming anxiety and depression is flavoured really well by the trans subtext.
I’m not against heavily interprative stuff even though I’m really stupid, but I run into subjective issues I guess. This whole passage
from here took me a few tries to even understand (
) and didn’t really resonate personally. I didn’t really note it the first time through because, Idk, that experience of denying yourself and having it set you back, not something I can say I’ve had. (I know, I’m so fucking lucky) It clearly hits home for a lot of people, I actually think my wife would really like/absolutely hate that read, but to me it was kind of like Oh, Okay, I get it now, in post.
The throughline to understanding everything I’m saying (aside from the fact that I’m fucking stupid) is that none of it is actual criticism. I don’t actually have any, really; I thought it was very pleasant, it is a nice arc, I like it and it’s cool that you can read it on multiple levels… but it was weird having all of this fly clear over my head, which I guess is the other edge of the “every trans gender is a lil different an experience” sword.
Thank you for linking this though, very good article
CW: Allusions to self-harm
It’s definitely quite possible that I read too much into it. At the start of the game, I read that sign that says, “This memorial dedicated to those who perished on the climb” and it kinda hits cause I draw parallels to all the girls we lost along the way. Also, I see the mountain as an allegory to the difficult mountain we all climb that is our transitions.
Either way, my puppy wife dissuades me every time I want to play it. Probably cause she’d want to watch and she’s not very capable of dealing with such emotions.
the memorial makes me cry:( yeah i also read the game as broadly an allegory for transitioning and overcoming all the hurdles that come with it, persevering despite it all.
I agree with you I remember seeing the dev of Celeste transitioning some time after and I thought “yeah that makes sense.” I dunno why, Celeste is just a trans game
oh shit
When you climb the mountain are you then “done” transitioning?
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Y’know, I don’t think we’re ever truly done transitioning. We really just reach a point where we are happy with ourselves. When we can look in the mirror in the morning and see nothing special.
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Byeah, that’s a goodass read ngl =) what I was thinkin when I asked lol
…despite being at the happy-with-myself point I feel surprisingly very not-done
I have things I wanna do but shits been hard yknow
it’s so worth it!!! if you don’t wanna grind it out blindly i recommend just looking up a guide and you can load level checkpoints and blaze through grabbing the hearts. you don’t have to replay the levels in full, you can load a checkpoint, grab the heart, then exit to map. then after ch. 8 you can look into the B-sides… hehehe
Well maybe I’ll give it a go then, I do enjoy the game a lot, I did grab like three or four of the b-sides, Celeste is good at making me care about its challenges. I grabbed a lot of fruits just out of stubbornness, lol
nice! are you gonna do bonus levels/chapter 9? the post game is super fun:)
You fairly got through it, it didn’t seem like you were playing that long
I could see you improving
girrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl i have that many deaths by level 5
It’s a hard game, just getting through it makes you cool
tell me that while i die 60 times trying to clear a single series of jumps
I did that a lot too, anytime you have to platform against the wind it sucks