Nah there are plenty of communists and fascists on other Lemmy instances as well. We call people liberals when they do liberal things like voting for a capitalist who implemented neoliberal policies
You’re never going to find a perfect candidate. Trump wants to be an isolationist, sort of how the US was prior to WW2 but he’s also an assclown.
Harris at least can speak in complete sentences so the bar is pretty low around here.
If there’s a third party that isn’t just some joke then I’m all for it but the system is what it is and currently Harris is the best option for me out of the two.
That said, you’re not gonna find anyone in any kind of official capacity in the USA who is going to side with anyone cozied up with Irans government.
we aren’t looking for a candidate. We aren’t voting because we have a principled stance against this government and both of its parties. Not because we’re demanding some sort of “perfect candidate.”
So I said “a capitalist who implemented neoliberal policies” and you thought I was criticizing Harris? I was talking about how Trump is a liberal. Maybe ask why you would mistake one for the other.
We don’t need perfect, just good (ie communist) although right now I’d settle for a non-warmonger anti-imperialist Liberal who didn’t support genocide, but none such options are available because we live in a genocidal war nation.
Unless you think Trump is like, a fascist (which I would entertain but you said you voted for him so I sincerely hope you don’t think that) he’s still within the bounds of liberalism. Free markets, liberty as individuals, private property, etc.
I would contend that Fascism is a subtype of Liberal. You go down far enough the neoliberal path and you are suddenly fascist, there’s 0 hard dividing line
I think that’s fair, I think there are enough distinctions (its strong nationalism and backward- looking revanchism aren’t innate to liberalism, I think there are real points of conflict where libs would usually depart from fascism, absent a threat from their left) that I would accept someone categorizing it as a form of liberalism or as a separate ideology if they support their view. I think for libs though it’s best to try and be charitable if it’s a distinction they recognize.
The original fascists invented austerity and deregulation and privatization. The Nazis and Italian fascists were the pioneers of these policies, unwinding the regulations and social policies of the social Liberals that came before them.
They are functionally indistinguishable from the “economic Liberalism” described elsewhere in this thread and “Libertarianism”. It’s all the same thing in different degrees.
American Liberals are extremely nationalistic, chauvinist, revanchist, warmongering and imperialistic. Your point of difference doesn’t even apply
I think American liberalism is distinct from other countries’ in that way, yes. My experience is that it’s not normal elsewhere. I think the free market strives to transcend national prerogative as well, that’s why Mises and Hayek were so keen to set up organizations like the IMF and WTO to enforce market order on nations without their interests getting in the way. Libs frequently support a “world system” over national interest in other countries.
As I said though, I can buy an argument in either direction, since fascism is so slippery as a term and the common usage of these ideas varies pretty widely. Maybe that’s too accommodating on my part. I dunno. I take your point though.
Homie look at all the European “liberals” clamoring over themselves to arm and fund Nazis to kill Russian orcs. They only pretend to be above that shit, when rubber meets the road they all fall in line.
If all it takes to make a Liberal into a fascist is a scratch, they were always a fascist with a thin coat of paint.
For sure, liberals will always side with fascism when threatened, they are far more compatible with it than communism. And since being scratched is inevitable they will always have a fascism problem.
Brother I am over 40 years old and not concerned about being a “winner”. I have a good life with kids, home and wife. I remember being pissed off at the world when I was much younger but grew out of it. Hope you all the best.
I feel very, very sorry for you, then. If you were younger I’d have more hope you’d look back on what you are right now and be glad you’re not like that anymore.
I remember being pissed off at the world when I was much younger but grew out of it.
Not caring about human suffering isn’t the same thing as “growing out of it.”
Hope you all the best.
Passive-aggression is not the sign of emotional health.
I have a good life with kids, home and wife. I remember being pissed off at the world when I was much younger but grew out of it. Hope you all the best.
I feel sorry for your kids. Having a parent who doesn’t care about the world they will grow up in must suck.
Guess what buddy. I am close in your age and still pissed because I have not hardened my heart to injustice and haven’t given up on caring about others in order to silence my conscience to enjoy a comfortable lifestyle at the expense of millions of others. You just keep making yourself sound like a sociopath.
Everything that I just posted is more than enough to prove that China is a workers state and will continue to improve itself and its people. I have more things to post if you need futher convincing like this
“I’m not a liberal I voted for a liberal”
Convincing argument, now face the wall
Ah so everyone who isn’t on hexbear is a liberal I guess.
Nah there are plenty of communists and fascists on other Lemmy instances as well. We call people liberals when they do liberal things like voting for a capitalist who implemented neoliberal policies
You’re never going to find a perfect candidate. Trump wants to be an isolationist, sort of how the US was prior to WW2 but he’s also an assclown.
Harris at least can speak in complete sentences so the bar is pretty low around here.
If there’s a third party that isn’t just some joke then I’m all for it but the system is what it is and currently Harris is the best option for me out of the two.
That said, you’re not gonna find anyone in any kind of official capacity in the USA who is going to side with anyone cozied up with Irans government.
So I said “a capitalist who implemented neoliberal policies” and you thought I was criticizing Harris? I was talking about how Trump is a liberal. Maybe ask why you would mistake one for the other.
We don’t need perfect, just good (ie communist) although right now I’d settle for a non-warmonger anti-imperialist Liberal who didn’t support genocide, but none such options are available because we live in a genocidal war nation.
It has a definition I’m not sure why that’s such a difficult concept.
Unless you think Trump is like, a fascist (which I would entertain but you said you voted for him so I sincerely hope you don’t think that) he’s still within the bounds of liberalism. Free markets, liberty as individuals, private property, etc.
I would contend that Fascism is a subtype of Liberal. You go down far enough the neoliberal path and you are suddenly fascist, there’s 0 hard dividing line
I think that’s fair, I think there are enough distinctions (its strong nationalism and backward- looking revanchism aren’t innate to liberalism, I think there are real points of conflict where libs would usually depart from fascism, absent a threat from their left) that I would accept someone categorizing it as a form of liberalism or as a separate ideology if they support their view. I think for libs though it’s best to try and be charitable if it’s a distinction they recognize.
The original fascists invented austerity and deregulation and privatization. The Nazis and Italian fascists were the pioneers of these policies, unwinding the regulations and social policies of the social Liberals that came before them.
They are functionally indistinguishable from the “economic Liberalism” described elsewhere in this thread and “Libertarianism”. It’s all the same thing in different degrees.
American Liberals are extremely nationalistic, chauvinist, revanchist, warmongering and imperialistic. Your point of difference doesn’t even apply
I think American liberalism is distinct from other countries’ in that way, yes. My experience is that it’s not normal elsewhere. I think the free market strives to transcend national prerogative as well, that’s why Mises and Hayek were so keen to set up organizations like the IMF and WTO to enforce market order on nations without their interests getting in the way. Libs frequently support a “world system” over national interest in other countries.
As I said though, I can buy an argument in either direction, since fascism is so slippery as a term and the common usage of these ideas varies pretty widely. Maybe that’s too accommodating on my part. I dunno. I take your point though.
Homie look at all the European “liberals” clamoring over themselves to arm and fund Nazis to kill Russian orcs. They only pretend to be above that shit, when rubber meets the road they all fall in line.
If all it takes to make a Liberal into a fascist is a scratch, they were always a fascist with a thin coat of paint.
For sure, liberals will always side with fascism when threatened, they are far more compatible with it than communism. And since being scratched is inevitable they will always have a fascism problem.
Voted for Biden in 2020. Trump was a loser and I voted for a loser.
You think that by setting up your circus tent wherever you think the winner will be that you’ll somehow be a winner too, but it isn’t working.
Brother I am over 40 years old and not concerned about being a “winner”. I have a good life with kids, home and wife. I remember being pissed off at the world when I was much younger but grew out of it. Hope you all the best.
I feel very, very sorry for you, then. If you were younger I’d have more hope you’d look back on what you are right now and be glad you’re not like that anymore.
Not caring about human suffering isn’t the same thing as “growing out of it.”
Passive-aggression is not the sign of emotional health.
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If they have any conscience they’ll just hate dipshits like you even more.
I feel sorry for your kids. Having a parent who doesn’t care about the world they will grow up in must suck.
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Guess what buddy. I am close in your age and still pissed because I have not hardened my heart to injustice and haven’t given up on caring about others in order to silence my conscience to enjoy a comfortable lifestyle at the expense of millions of others. You just keep making yourself sound like a sociopath.
You having fun alternating between two rich fucks who want to suck your soul out? When will you learn neither is on your side?
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https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/
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Literally what other country puts billionaires on death row???
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-07-23/china-executes-14-billionaires-in-8-years-culture-news-reports
??? Are you just randomly assuming the party is filled with billionaires “just because” Here is a video breaking down the government of China since you clearly skimmed throught that article if your coming away with these weird takes.
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat
Everything that I just posted is more than enough to prove that China is a workers state and will continue to improve itself and its people. I have more things to post if you need futher convincing like this
Everyone who isn’t a communist is a Liberal, yes.
So is hexbear a communist thing?
Everyone on hexbear is also a liberal. Everyone other than me, that is.
Ah so this whole time it was a term of endearment