Get the “ but we’re liberals 🤓” joke out now.

Obviously we’re very far left and vocal about being anti establishment, some things I’ve seen posted here, whilst I won’t admit I agree with :) are pretty sus from a feds perspective. If the site was raided and if people were subject to arrests, what do you think they would be charged with? We’re obviously on a list of course but the same can be said about all people tbh so I don’t really care about that, but since the political sphere in the US is becoming more mask off fash from both parties especially the drump comment about “enemy within” what do you think the future is? Also what crime is committed exactly? Might be a weird example but places like Georgia are racially targeting rappers by using their lyrics as evidence that they have committed crimes, couldn’t something similar happen here on this space? Does anyone have any examples of what the crime committed would be exactly or does it fall under freeze-peach.

I think it’s already been alarming for years but even more so with the multitude of arrests of people in support of Palestine including students who were just present at protests. I’ve seen people on here say we have to be organized etc in order for feds to take an initiative, but who knows exactly.

I just wanna know what crime and what jail I’ll be sent to if it all comes to that

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    Delinquency of minors, terroristic threatening, supporting terrorist States, conspiracy to riot (any posts detailing what to do during protests, sit-ins, building occupations), being/supporting communists/communism (pretty sure there’s still laws all over the books from the red scare days that could be used) just off the top of my head.

    Doubt most of the charges would stick but that won’t matter as anybody who gets scooped up is likely to be broke enough that having all your computer gear (cell phones, router, computer, laptop, tablets) disappeared, missing enough days of work to be fired, expected to pay whatever “fees and penalties” can be thought of, flagged in some background check databases as a “person of interest” or something can go a long way in making life unpleasant without being thrown in the hoosegow.

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      You can beat the rap but you can’t beat the ride.

      I think they’ve been using this as a tactic for the last decade or so. It doesn’t matter if they get convictions if they can ruin your life with pre-trial detention, probation, forcing you to attend hearings far from home, character assassination, subpoenas, stealing everything you own and holding it as “evidence”. They don’t need to convict you to break you.

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    As it stands, nothing on Hexbear breaches the letter of the law in western countries.

    But, the reality is that they can arbitrarily arrest those they want to, and the consequent charge and punishment will be equally arbitrary and dependent on what made “push come to shove”. Any previous examples will be equally arbitrarily charged and sentenced. So the only realistic answer is:

    • Crime you’ll be charged with: Anything
    • Punishment: Anything between no punishment and death.
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    imo the site would just be shut down in some way. Many of the state’s domestic repressive functions are more easily carried out by non-state actors. Like FICO score or getting categorized as ‘extremist’ in an HR consulting database. This sort of thing materially pushes people into situations where they’d be arrested for something more mundane.

    Other than that, there are other forms of carcerality or social ostrisization if people fall outside of social norms in real life. So maybe in IRL we say “hey isn’t making kids say the pledge of allegiance every day sorta weird and bad?” and someone responds that it would be unamerican not to and that their dad died in iraq or something and that the pledge honors them… and etc etc… suddenly vaguely left people irl who were gonna join the DSA but didn’t ever get around to it are indistinguishable from maoist guerillas because US body politic is ridiculous.

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        I’m pretty sure I’m on multiple lists. Hexbear would just be another one to add to the pile. This list includes:

        • Looking at a copy of the Anarchist’s Cookbook from my local library.
        • Downloading songs off Napster/Limewire
        • Downloading and reading the Unibomber manifesto
        • Buying all three volumes of Kapital and the Communist Manifesto.
        • Owning a Koran
        • Relatives involved in local gangs
        • Association with drug addicts
        • Relatives who are Feds (I know…ew)
        • Basic understanding of how to make a nuclear bomb
        • Basic knowledge of making chemical weapons (like nerve gas)

        I’m sure there’s more. Those are just the ones I can think of when younger me was a dumbass thinking a firewall was as much security you would ever need back in 2005.

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    Our made up internets number will be tared by the Committee for un-Amerikkkan Activities, Who will falsely accuse us of being Russian / Chinese / Iranian [insert who isn’t worshiping amerikkka today] haxors, before promptly being proven wrong.

    pooh-wtf They will send your ISP a letter, expressing their displeasure. Who will then send you a letter expressing their displeasure of recieving a letter of displeasure.

    hahaha Of which we will have a hearty laugh - and toss in the trash after posting our pleasure of their itterative letter of displeasure reflecting how much of a thorn we are to Wall Street’s puppets.

    They would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for you meddling bears. sicko-hexbear-crowd

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    Extremely unlikely purely due to the optics and inevitable pushback. Simply isn’t worth it for any government to go far because it will explode in their faces.

    What they will do is what they’ve been doing. Make protesting more and more illegal and then when people go from rhetoric (which they don’t care about… they just don’t. Everyone here chirping is powerless) to actual action and get arrested under newer more draconian laws, the prosecutors won’t have anything to pin most people with, but oh oops look this guy posts two years ago he thought it would be funny to bring soup cans to a protest. If you have a shitty lawyer… might just be fucked. Probably get charged with some bullshit about attempting to incite a riot. Maybe Stephen “Adolf” Miller will get some executive orders pushed through instructing the FBI/ATF/NSA (whoever else) to broaden the definition of terrorism to include being vocally anti-Israel or anti-police so when you get picked up protesting your life gets stamped out.

    As far as some sort of goonsquad Gestapo going door to door arresting the best posters… never say never, etc. but that’s one of the most unlikely events, imo. The feds love and have a history of “let them cook…” then they throw everything you ever said ever in your face in court. Make some prominent “examples”, the chirping quiets down, they got what they wanted.

    • As far as some sort of goonsquad Gestapo going door to door arresting the best posters…

      It’s also a waste of resources. Even if you were summarily executing anyone who uses the word “problematic” or “imperialist” online, the amount of people and material resources needed to get that done is huge, with relatively no pay-off. Any frothingfash who’s already on board with anything fascist the government does will not care too much, and it’s likely many other, less radicalized people won’t like it when friends and family are disappearing constantly into black vans.

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        Depends if you mean fake news or “fake news”.

        One of these results in you being a sort of shadow chief of staff (Bannon style until he felt out of favor).

        One results in, well…

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    The real answer is, whatever they want to…

    If they can argue you’ve crossed the line, they’ll get you on some sort of domestic terrorism charge.

    If they can’t, they’ll get you for drugs or another crime, and planting evidence isn’t above them if they need to.

    Maybe they’d even fear for their life during those arrests or you just become another “street crime” statistic and they don’t need to get officially involved.

    They could also black van you if they can get away with it, at which point they don’t even need to pretend anything.

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    Meh, Feds going after this site but not 4ch?

    I guess depending on which country you live maybe if you post here your intentions to give lots of kisses and hugs to your local president or something and then actualy go and do it, perhaps that sort of attempt could lead to an FBI intervention. Otherwise I seriously doubt anyone cares.

    Someone should check on Mr Roger’s and see if he is still keeping track of this website for his “research”(the guy with the only result for HB on Google scholar)

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      The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.

      نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.

      volcel-police