The Hamas-run Health Ministry in the Gaza Strip says at least 500 people have been killed in an explosion that it says was caused by an Israeli airstrike.
Updated: Israel denies involvement in deadly Gaza hospital blast, says explosion caused by Islamic Jihad
The whistle tells you the direction the rocket came from relative to the position of the camera. We know the rocket had to pass over the camera position before striking the hospital, and from that you can extrapolate where it came from.
None of the videos purporting to show a misfired rocket align with the one verified video showing the strike. The video posted by idf of what they claim is the rocket barrage responsible for hitting the hospital was shown to have been taken after the hospital strike (and has since been removed from their post).
There is a lot of finger pointing and blame going on right now. I’m less inclined to believe the side misrepresenting evidence, but neither side can be trusted on their word alone. This means we need evidence, which is in short supply at the moment.
The first and immediate “irrefutable proof” video Israeli twitter shared, was quickly removed as it was shown to not have the correct timestamp. After that we’ve seen videos of previous Hamas’ rocket barrages from years passed bandied about. Then we have these apparently legit videos that clearly depict something travelling at high speed with an explosion far beyond what Hamas’ rockets do.
So we’re supposed to believe that a hospital (which had been given warning knocks), was coincidentally where the most powerful Hamas rocket blast ever just happened to occur, with a defective rocket nonetheless, traveling at a high enough velocity to sound exactly like a long distance missile hit. All the while the “irrefutable evidence” for this keeps changing by the hour.
Oh yeah and someone contracted by Israeli government for media relations was also immediately confirming the Israeli strike on the hospital, and then took the post down shortly after.
Al Jazeera’s shown time (Mecca) and Gaza share the same time zone at this time of year. However, I maybe got the time of the attack wrong, it’s unclear.
Misfires happen, but “rocket falls short of target on empty field” isn’t a news story; you’ll never hear about it. You’ll only hear about them when they result in tragedy.
A hospital that’s still standing with a bunch of burnt cars in the parking lot, while some people claim “80% destruction” and “500 dead” after taking a photoshoot in a corner of the parking lot, surrounded by like a dozen dead kids.
First of all, even USA has independently confirmed this is not Israel’s fault. Whether you believe them or not, is kind of pointless. But 500 people there were not. It’s a parking lot with 7 cars destroyed. If there were 500 people jammed there scenery would look entirely different. And am not saying there are no injured, but that number of 500 was pulled out of the ass at the moments notice to point a finger at Israel as soon as possible. Hamas loves doing that and they’ve done it in the past.
The “precise” number that’s been circulating is 471. People have been taking shelter at hospitals all over the Gaza Strip due to the air bombardment and evacuation order. So a whole lot of people in/around a hospital courtyard here, not that unreasonable. Shoulder to shoulder, that’s about a square of 22 x 22 people, a crowd of people.
Prove it. You’re defending Hamas, a literal terrorist organization known for attacking its citizens. They blow their citizens up and blame Israel, then the Arab community unites to call for death to Israel. This is exactly what they do. Are you a sheep, so easily herded? Pull the wool from your eyes.
Thanks for that absolutely irrelevant fact. Civilians die in war. One side of this war is a democratic government, the other is a literal terrorist organization. Are you defending terrorists today? Is that what you woke up to do on the internet?
So when the Hamas murders children in Israel they are terrorists but when the IDF does the same thing in Gaza it’s “civilians die in war”. You either have to be really stupid or cruel to make this argument work in your head. Probably both.
Yes, now you’re getting it. One is terrorism, the other is defence from that terrorism. The destruction of Hamas is the fastest way to stop the death of innocents on both sides. Israel could have accomplished this by destroying all of Gaza, but instead they show restraint in trying to minimize civilian casualties, and they will risk the assured death of even more of their own citizens by invading to root out Hamas.
You do realize Hamas is the result of Israeli apartheid and occupation? They even helped create it. Israel has been bombing Gaza for years and Hamas doesn’t seem to get any weaker. Your argument is just a way for you to keep moving the goal posts towards complete genocide.
You do realize Hamas is responsible for their own actions? It doesn’t matter what Israel did, Israel can have peace with Palestinians at least in principle. With Hamas, there can be no peace. Quit justifying terrorism as being caused by actions outside their control. It is completely in their control how they respond and they chose to respond with terrorism. What happens now is justified self-defense.
Forreal though, you’re just shifting the goalposts like crazy. They weren’t defending hamas, they were calling the IDF liars. Which… yeah, this claim is a pretty reasonable thing to be skeptical about since they were touting that the hospital was hamas HQ and they ordered the evacuation of gaza city earlier this week?
Well you just shift more goals than the FIFA groundskeeping staff, dontcha.
For anyone curious about what this person is doing:
They start by putting words in the mouth of the other user, in a way that could broadly be interpreted as inline with their position but a lot more extreme. (ex: calling isreal a liar. I didn’t, I just implied they are clearly too biased to be a reliable source, close but more extreme.)
From there, they quickly move on to another more extreme claim that might not even be slightly related to the initial users point. The aim with this step is to force acceptance of the initial false claim they made, by blitzing you with a much more extreme claim. If you defend yourself here, it tacitly implies acceptance of the first claim, because you naturally jump to defending yourself from the most extreme claim first. (ex: Saying I’m not denouncing hamas. Of course I am, fuck hamas, they’re terrorist monsters. I dont have to say it in every comment though, especially if its not the topic at hand)
Then at the end they drop a false equivalence on us, tied to the acceptance of the false claim at the start. In this case the equivalence is that by not supporting something you clearly are tacitly approving of that thing. (btw: “which side you’re supporting” coward, just accuse me of supporting hamas. Oh, right, you won’t, because I didn’t/don’t, and you know it…)
Ironic? yes! The explotation of a social rule for their benefit and then rigidly applying that rule to someone else is a classic troll move!
Of course this is bullshit, and it’s bullshit that hinges on you having juuuust enough of an emotional reaction to their attempt that you don’t notice the whole thing hinges on you falling into the trap of accepting something is what you said when you, in fact, said no such thing.
And yes, I am arguing past them. It’s another classic troll move gleaned from my days as a shithead child on 4chan. But I like to think I’m not a shithead any more (might be lying to myself…). I’d also like to think that maybe reading this will keep someone out there from falling for this kind of bullshit in the future.Who knows.
Anyways, isreal sucks. So does hamas, but I just want to be clear how absolutely much isreal is just absolutely noshing down on a colossal plate of homoerotic dicks because of this. Both of them are, of course, but to be clear that “both” very much includes isreal as one of the two. The other one is hamas. But the dirst one is Isreal.
All that to say both sides suck, but Israel was first. It’s absolutely irrelevant. Israel can offer peace all day but there will never be peace with a terrorist organization that demands the compete destruction of all Jews. Hamas was responsible for invading Israel and what they did to it’s people there. Israel is completely justified in defending themselves from an existential threat, no different than you or I. If you fail to recognize those facts, yes, it’s tantamount to supporting terrorism.
I’m defending Palestinians who have in no way elected Hamas, and who are killed by an elected government because some random terrorist organization happens to be residing in the same literal prison they are trapped in by the same named elected government.
Figurative prison. Gazans can leave Gaza, it’s just hard and they generally don’t want to (sort of the main point of this entire conflict is that both parties are passionately attached to the land). Those who emigrate generally head to Europe, as they are not welcomed in nearby nations.
They can’t really though. To Israel they can only if Israel issues them permits. So they can’t. Israel bombed their airport in 2001, so they can’t fly. The border crossing with Egypt is not always open and also subject to Egypt letting them in. Also, they don’t have passports that are recognized by any nation. So they really have very few options.
Your defense is useless. Insofar as Israel should stop killing innocents, you have no solution to letting terrorism fester at their borders. No solution to the 1000s of rockets launched at them. No solution to the constant threat of invasion and brutalization of their citizens. You have to say that you support Palestinians, because there’s nothing you can say to stop an organization that demands nothing less than the death of all Jews. So, who do you care to support? Will you allow the Israelis to die because that means Palestinians don’t suffer? Or will you allow the Palestinians to die so that Hamas can be destroyed?
This community doesn’t care. They are anti-semitic. Any excuse to openly call for death to Israel will be taken advantage of. The facts are irrelevant.
That’s one of the most frustrating things about discussing this. Racists and antisemites are running free and forcing us to be wary. You’ve got people saying it’s okay for Israel to kill kids, but wrong of Hamas to. You’ve got people refusing to condemn Hamas for their attack, and instead blaming it all on Israel.
This issue has way more extremists than usual, and it’s exhausting.
The HAMAS-RUN Health Ministry in the Gaza Strip says at least 500 people have been killed in an explosion that it says was caused by an Israeli airstrike.
So you won’t trust Israel but you’ll trust Hamas? Lmao.
I don’t see you protesting the deaths of Israelite? You know, that thing Hamas did that started the current events? Also, you realize you’re taking anti-Israeli propaganda at face value? That’s what al Jazeera is now. As others posted, there’s videos of the rocket misfire.
Who stands more to gain from this? A terrorist organization known for attacking its own citizens and blaming it on Israel? Or a nation that will receive universal condemnation for such an event?
Fuck Hamas, and fuck the Israeli government. Let’s wait for more reporting to verify who killed 500 people in a hospital (fuck whoever did that). But in the meantime maybe don’t be claiming anti semitism when people ask for genocide to stop?
Did you say that because you were reading my other comments? How about you read the one where I link to people calling for death to Israel because of this event. What else would you call people who openly eat anti-Israeli propaganda and call for their death?
If anyone has love for Jewish people, for any people, they should condemn Israel. You are wrong. This attitude has helped allow the slaughter of thousands of innocent people over decades. To condemn Israel is to have humanity. To support the Palestinian people’s struggle for freedom is to support justice. I love Jewish people, I’ve studied the Holocaust, I’ve spent massive time studying Nazism, modern movements and the history. The actions of the Israeli government and the IDF must be stopped by all means necessary.
No, I love Jewish people too but I support Israel’s right to defend itself. The Palestinian people can’t go free so long as there exists among them organizations that long for the destruction of Israel and all Jews. The quickest path to freedom for Palestine and the fewest loss of innocents is the elimination of Hamas. Sorry, but that’s how this works. If there is cancer in the body, you kill good cells to kill the cancer. You must, or else you yourself will be destroyed. I don’t celebrate the deaths of innocents on either side. But I am at least aware that with Israel, there is the possibility of peace. With Hamas, there can never be.
Good that you studied the Holocaust. Because this is how Nazis justified their genocide and it’s also how Hamas and similar groups justify their violence:
If there is cancer in the body, you kill good cells to kill the cancer.
The Hamas-run Health Ministry in the Gaza Strip says at least 500 people have been killed in an explosion that it says was caused by an Israeli airstrike.
Who needs journalists when you have Hamas to report for you. That’s apparently acceptable for this community of news.
The IDF has now said that the blast was caused by a failed missile launch from Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
There’s video of the failed launch here
Watch 19:59 to 20:01 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtruJztXE5w
Also, from Al Jazeera broadcast https://twitter.com/OrianShamriz/status/1714365814160175213?t=WqGUoKEcSpLYf14JOjk_3A&s=19
That seems to just be a live webcam feed.
Yeah I fucked up so I edited in the time stamp
Watch 19:59 to 20:01
Is that 19:59 minutes in or at the time 19:59?
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My dude live streams work in negative timestamps (T- from live feed), those numbers are useless.
The second video is also not useful without a geographical reference. It’s literally a video shot in the dark of a missile launch.
A much closer video shows an incoming whistle, not an outgoing sound: https://twitter.com/i/status/1714366113818038412
My dude I meant the timestamp from within the Livestream in the top right of the left cam. Local time, not minutes elapsed
A rocket misfiring and hitting a elsewhere in the city (as shown in my video) would make an incoming whistle.
Apparently this guy thinks the missile was launched from inside the hospital or something.
The whistle tells you the direction the rocket came from relative to the position of the camera. We know the rocket had to pass over the camera position before striking the hospital, and from that you can extrapolate where it came from.
None of the videos purporting to show a misfired rocket align with the one verified video showing the strike. The video posted by idf of what they claim is the rocket barrage responsible for hitting the hospital was shown to have been taken after the hospital strike (and has since been removed from their post).
There is a lot of finger pointing and blame going on right now. I’m less inclined to believe the side misrepresenting evidence, but neither side can be trusted on their word alone. This means we need evidence, which is in short supply at the moment.
The first and immediate “irrefutable proof” video Israeli twitter shared, was quickly removed as it was shown to not have the correct timestamp. After that we’ve seen videos of previous Hamas’ rocket barrages from years passed bandied about. Then we have these apparently legit videos that clearly depict something travelling at high speed with an explosion far beyond what Hamas’ rockets do.
So we’re supposed to believe that a hospital (which had been given warning knocks), was coincidentally where the most powerful Hamas rocket blast ever just happened to occur, with a defective rocket nonetheless, traveling at a high enough velocity to sound exactly like a long distance missile hit. All the while the “irrefutable evidence” for this keeps changing by the hour.
Oh yeah and someone contracted by Israeli government for media relations was also immediately confirming the Israeli strike on the hospital, and then took the post down shortly after.
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The time on Al Jazeera’s broadcast doesn’t seem to match the time of the attack.
Discrepancies are due to time zones.
See also this (entire) thread:
https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1714390274900734049
Al Jazeera’s shown time (Mecca) and Gaza share the same time zone at this time of year. However, I maybe got the time of the attack wrong, it’s unclear.
Time zones would be in full hour differences, not a little over half an hour.
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Misfires happen, but “rocket falls short of target on empty field” isn’t a news story; you’ll never hear about it. You’ll only hear about them when they result in tragedy.
IDF stated that over 450 missiles from the past week launched towards Israel crashed inside Gaza. That’s a 5-10% failure rate which seems reasonable.
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A hospital that’s still standing with a bunch of burnt cars in the parking lot, while some people claim “80% destruction” and “500 dead” after taking a photoshoot in a corner of the parking lot, surrounded by like a dozen dead kids.
It’s a tragedy. It’s also BS, just which way.
Of course they will do that, while for the past days requesting evacuation of the same hospital and suddenly today it’s a misfire?
Did you see the impact? It burned 7 cars. If that caused 500 casualties, I’ll eat my own underwear.
I saw this impact are you doubting that could kill 500 people?
Yes. You need to Google and see just how big of a surface 500 people takes and how densely they would have to be for this explosion to kill them.
No google needed. My hobby is to do this
Plus there’s video of the aftermath. I’ve seen it. But, you think none of those people whipped out their phones?
First of all, even USA has independently confirmed this is not Israel’s fault. Whether you believe them or not, is kind of pointless. But 500 people there were not. It’s a parking lot with 7 cars destroyed. If there were 500 people jammed there scenery would look entirely different. And am not saying there are no injured, but that number of 500 was pulled out of the ass at the moments notice to point a finger at Israel as soon as possible. Hamas loves doing that and they’ve done it in the past.
The U.S. is independent from Israel in about the same way China is independent from North Korea. “Confirmation” isn’t worth a cent, we need proof.
Yeah, better trust Hamas which made the statement 1h after the blast. Fast counting that is.
The “precise” number that’s been circulating is 471. People have been taking shelter at hospitals all over the Gaza Strip due to the air bombardment and evacuation order. So a whole lot of people in/around a hospital courtyard here, not that unreasonable. Shoulder to shoulder, that’s about a square of 22 x 22 people, a crowd of people.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/10/18/world/israel-hamas-war-biden-gaza/heres-the-latest-on-the-war?smid=url-share
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Prove it. You’re defending Hamas, a literal terrorist organization known for attacking its citizens. They blow their citizens up and blame Israel, then the Arab community unites to call for death to Israel. This is exactly what they do. Are you a sheep, so easily herded? Pull the wool from your eyes.
Israel has killed 36x as many children as Hamas. https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
Thanks for that absolutely irrelevant fact. Civilians die in war. One side of this war is a democratic government, the other is a literal terrorist organization. Are you defending terrorists today? Is that what you woke up to do on the internet?
So when the Hamas murders children in Israel they are terrorists but when the IDF does the same thing in Gaza it’s “civilians die in war”. You either have to be really stupid or cruel to make this argument work in your head. Probably both.
Israel has the luxury of using plausible deniability as an excuse when accused of targeting civilians.
Yes, now you’re getting it. One is terrorism, the other is defence from that terrorism. The destruction of Hamas is the fastest way to stop the death of innocents on both sides. Israel could have accomplished this by destroying all of Gaza, but instead they show restraint in trying to minimize civilian casualties, and they will risk the assured death of even more of their own citizens by invading to root out Hamas.
You do realize Hamas is the result of Israeli apartheid and occupation? They even helped create it. Israel has been bombing Gaza for years and Hamas doesn’t seem to get any weaker. Your argument is just a way for you to keep moving the goal posts towards complete genocide.
You do realize Hamas is responsible for their own actions? It doesn’t matter what Israel did, Israel can have peace with Palestinians at least in principle. With Hamas, there can be no peace. Quit justifying terrorism as being caused by actions outside their control. It is completely in their control how they respond and they chose to respond with terrorism. What happens now is justified self-defense.
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If I come at you with a knife, do you have the right to defend yourself?
Wait I’m lost which one is which again?
Forreal though, you’re just shifting the goalposts like crazy. They weren’t defending hamas, they were calling the IDF liars. Which… yeah, this claim is a pretty reasonable thing to be skeptical about since they were touting that the hospital was hamas HQ and they ordered the evacuation of gaza city earlier this week?
When you’re quick to call Israel liars while careful to avoid denouncing Hamas, it becomes clear which side you’re supporting.
Well you just shift more goals than the FIFA groundskeeping staff, dontcha.
For anyone curious about what this person is doing:
They start by putting words in the mouth of the other user, in a way that could broadly be interpreted as inline with their position but a lot more extreme. (ex: calling isreal a liar. I didn’t, I just implied they are clearly too biased to be a reliable source, close but more extreme.)
From there, they quickly move on to another more extreme claim that might not even be slightly related to the initial users point. The aim with this step is to force acceptance of the initial false claim they made, by blitzing you with a much more extreme claim. If you defend yourself here, it tacitly implies acceptance of the first claim, because you naturally jump to defending yourself from the most extreme claim first. (ex: Saying I’m not denouncing hamas. Of course I am, fuck hamas, they’re terrorist monsters. I dont have to say it in every comment though, especially if its not the topic at hand)
Then at the end they drop a false equivalence on us, tied to the acceptance of the false claim at the start. In this case the equivalence is that by not supporting something you clearly are tacitly approving of that thing. (btw: “which side you’re supporting” coward, just accuse me of supporting hamas. Oh, right, you won’t, because I didn’t/don’t, and you know it…)
Ironic? yes! The explotation of a social rule for their benefit and then rigidly applying that rule to someone else is a classic troll move!
Of course this is bullshit, and it’s bullshit that hinges on you having juuuust enough of an emotional reaction to their attempt that you don’t notice the whole thing hinges on you falling into the trap of accepting something is what you said when you, in fact, said no such thing.
And yes, I am arguing past them. It’s another classic troll move gleaned from my days as a shithead child on 4chan. But I like to think I’m not a shithead any more (might be lying to myself…). I’d also like to think that maybe reading this will keep someone out there from falling for this kind of bullshit in the future.Who knows.
Anyways, isreal sucks. So does hamas, but I just want to be clear how absolutely much isreal is just absolutely noshing down on a colossal plate of homoerotic dicks because of this. Both of them are, of course, but to be clear that “both” very much includes isreal as one of the two. The other one is hamas. But the dirst one is Isreal.
All that to say both sides suck, but Israel was first. It’s absolutely irrelevant. Israel can offer peace all day but there will never be peace with a terrorist organization that demands the compete destruction of all Jews. Hamas was responsible for invading Israel and what they did to it’s people there. Israel is completely justified in defending themselves from an existential threat, no different than you or I. If you fail to recognize those facts, yes, it’s tantamount to supporting terrorism.
I’m defending Palestinians who have in no way elected Hamas, and who are killed by an elected government because some random terrorist organization happens to be residing in the same literal prison they are trapped in by the same named elected government.
Figurative prison. Gazans can leave Gaza, it’s just hard and they generally don’t want to (sort of the main point of this entire conflict is that both parties are passionately attached to the land). Those who emigrate generally head to Europe, as they are not welcomed in nearby nations.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/poor-living-conditions-trigger-mass-migration-from-gaza/3009581#:~:text=GAZA CITY%2C Palestine,livelihood in the seaside territory.
They can’t really though. To Israel they can only if Israel issues them permits. So they can’t. Israel bombed their airport in 2001, so they can’t fly. The border crossing with Egypt is not always open and also subject to Egypt letting them in. Also, they don’t have passports that are recognized by any nation. So they really have very few options.
Yes that’s why I said it is difficult, but possible.
Your defense is useless. Insofar as Israel should stop killing innocents, you have no solution to letting terrorism fester at their borders. No solution to the 1000s of rockets launched at them. No solution to the constant threat of invasion and brutalization of their citizens. You have to say that you support Palestinians, because there’s nothing you can say to stop an organization that demands nothing less than the death of all Jews. So, who do you care to support? Will you allow the Israelis to die because that means Palestinians don’t suffer? Or will you allow the Palestinians to die so that Hamas can be destroyed?
Terrorist is only when those without power use violence I guess. What about all the dead Palestinian civilians?
They’re both terrorist organizations. One is just more well armed with more international support.
Prove it. You’re defending Israel, a literal terrorist state…
Such a stupid argument. Israel’s kill count is much higher. Which one is worse?
This community doesn’t care. They are anti-semitic. Any excuse to openly call for death to Israel will be taken advantage of. The facts are irrelevant.
Being against the genocide of gazans isn’t anti-semitism. God damn it this is basic shit, how many times does this shit have to be explained.
And if you’re taking the IDF’s word at face value… lol
That’s one of the most frustrating things about discussing this. Racists and antisemites are running free and forcing us to be wary. You’ve got people saying it’s okay for Israel to kill kids, but wrong of Hamas to. You’ve got people refusing to condemn Hamas for their attack, and instead blaming it all on Israel.
This issue has way more extremists than usual, and it’s exhausting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtruJztXE5w
Here’s a live cam shot of the misfire. Watch 19:59 to 20:01
Current speculation is that it hit ammo stores in or near the hospital, which is a common Hamas war crime.
Also from Al Jazeera https://twitter.com/OrianShamriz/status/1714365814160175213?t=WqGUoKEcSpLYf14JOjk_3A&s=19
The timestamp for the misfire panel is a half hour prior to the hospital being hit.
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From the article:
The HAMAS-RUN Health Ministry in the Gaza Strip says at least 500 people have been killed in an explosion that it says was caused by an Israeli airstrike.
So you won’t trust Israel but you’ll trust Hamas? Lmao.
You’re right, I was hasty. I’ll reserve my judgement for when there’s better information out there. Hamas is absolutely not to be trusted either.
Thank you for saying that.
Much better to take a literal terrorist organization’s word at face value despite video evidence to the contrary, of course.
Who? The Israeli government? I don’t believe anything they or hamas say on face value.
I don’t see you protesting the deaths of Israelite? You know, that thing Hamas did that started the current events? Also, you realize you’re taking anti-Israeli propaganda at face value? That’s what al Jazeera is now. As others posted, there’s videos of the rocket misfire.
Who stands more to gain from this? A terrorist organization known for attacking its own citizens and blaming it on Israel? Or a nation that will receive universal condemnation for such an event?
Fuck Hamas, and fuck the Israeli government. Let’s wait for more reporting to verify who killed 500 people in a hospital (fuck whoever did that). But in the meantime maybe don’t be claiming anti semitism when people ask for genocide to stop?
Did you say that because you were reading my other comments? How about you read the one where I link to people calling for death to Israel because of this event. What else would you call people who openly eat anti-Israeli propaganda and call for their death?
OH NO!?! CONDEMNATION?!? THE HORROR!!
Condemnation is fine, but you better have your facts correct before you go making a mistake.
If anyone has love for Jewish people, for any people, they should condemn Israel. You are wrong. This attitude has helped allow the slaughter of thousands of innocent people over decades. To condemn Israel is to have humanity. To support the Palestinian people’s struggle for freedom is to support justice. I love Jewish people, I’ve studied the Holocaust, I’ve spent massive time studying Nazism, modern movements and the history. The actions of the Israeli government and the IDF must be stopped by all means necessary.
No, I love Jewish people too but I support Israel’s right to defend itself. The Palestinian people can’t go free so long as there exists among them organizations that long for the destruction of Israel and all Jews. The quickest path to freedom for Palestine and the fewest loss of innocents is the elimination of Hamas. Sorry, but that’s how this works. If there is cancer in the body, you kill good cells to kill the cancer. You must, or else you yourself will be destroyed. I don’t celebrate the deaths of innocents on either side. But I am at least aware that with Israel, there is the possibility of peace. With Hamas, there can never be.
Hamas doesn’t exist in the west bank, so why are people there getting killed?
This rhetoric… I’ve seen it before. I can’t believe my eyes.
Good that you studied the Holocaust. Because this is how Nazis justified their genocide and it’s also how Hamas and similar groups justify their violence:
Israel ambassador to the UN literally gave the cancer analogy a couple hours ago IIRC. Didn’t say “kill good cells” though.
Maybe if the IDF wasn’t busy blowing up journalists (again) we could get some credible information.
From the article:
The Hamas-run Health Ministry in the Gaza Strip says at least 500 people have been killed in an explosion that it says was caused by an Israeli airstrike.
Who needs journalists when you have Hamas to report for you. That’s apparently acceptable for this community of news.
It’s everybody else that is wrong, not me! /s
Appeal to majority fallacy. Though yes that guy is full of it.
Clearly you are very stupid.