Remembering to look for and ignore folks with that telltale indicator has made the fediverse so much more enjoyable.
You know what’s funny is .ml was one of the first instances I signed up for. I thought it stood for machine learning or something to do with programming.
I knew it was a leftist instance. I went into it (naively) excited to engage with a more thoughtful leftist internet space, considering it was a bunch of reddit exiles who were upset about heavy handed Reddit censorship. I was quite disappointed to learn quickly that it was just more of the same tankie brain rot, with more of the same tankie censorship you can find in a thousand different tedious places.
Even then I stuck with it for a bit. And then I learned that the head admin was potentially the most fragile person on the Internet, who literally will not post outside his own instance because he cannot handle any internet where he does not have (what he believes to be) a “win argument” ban button. It is literally so cringe, I cannot stand to be associated with it, and I don’t understand how other people tolerate being associated with his antics.
MLs are essentially incapable of arguing in good faith. You know how Christians quote to bible to “prove” their religion is true? MLs are the political version of that.
I opened a thread just yesterday and the top comment was “I recommend you read this article if you want to know what Noam Chomsky is really like”. It was upvoted. I like to learn things, and don’t really listen to a lot of Chomsky. So I started reading.
It was the most uneducated, biased, ragebait crap I’d ever seen posted to the fediverse. I started mentally building my reply about how “people are saying” is the worst kind of fallacy, and providing a quote from someone else with a different opinion doesn’t count as opposing evidence. I actually got a little upset, disillusioned even, wondering how anyone could fall for this idiotic “argument”. I didn’t agree or disagree with any point, but it was just so poorly made.
I went to reply, thinking I should provide some warning, then I noticed I was in an ml community. I’m mobile, so it sometimes doesn’t show the community until I’ve clicked (I know I can change that in the settings). I considered posting anyway, but it felt so fruitless. It feels like they’re either sheep or assets. I moved on. I feel better getting to let it out here instead.
Honestly I will half agree with you. Really we should be providing primary sources if we want to prove anything.
Not because I don’t believe socialist news sources are inaccurate it’s just that liberals are not going to believe it.
As someone leaning ML, this makes me feel like I haven’t argued with my own side in a while… Or I am less ML than I think I am…
I have an ML account and usually just jump back and forth between .world local posts and .ml local posts and I swear I’m not seeing all this hostility people talk about anywhere
I haven’t read a single exchange with a .ml tankie that hasn’t been utterly juvenile roleplay nonsense with no desire to engage with reality, I don’t give them any amount of my attention or even irritation, if kids wanna do roleplay stuff between games of Hearts of Iron 4, they can, but other instances should ban roleplay outside of their specific circle-jerking forum.
… we don’t?
I literally can’t do what the meme suggests, because I’ve already blocked all users from that instance automatically.
You might try slrpnk.net for what you were looking for. I guess you know that by now, but in case anyone else is reading and thinking similarly.
excited to engage with a more thoughtful leftist internet space
considering it was a bunch of reddit exiles who were upset about heavy handed Reddit censorship
Lmfao. What’s leftism to you?
Tankies are lefties alright. Just braindead ones
What do you consider a non braindead leftist?
As long as you avoid campism and are ready to criticize the USSR and Maoist China for what they did wrong you’re not braindead
Reasonable. Although it seams at this point tankie is just a blanket derocatory term to anyone who supports communism. I was a bit concerned that you were calling all communists braindead, although its good that you aren’t.
Nah nah. I’m not that braindead 😅
Braindead is when you deviate one millimeter from western capitalist state propaganda
You can deviate without lapping up Kremlin propaganda
Five communists got enjailed in Ufa last week for reading Lenin. Being pro-USSR and anti-USA+EU doesnt equate with being pro-Russian Republic
You were defending the Russian republic just two days ago need i remind you
I’ve got an ml account too, but at the time I think world was normal. I think world has also gone the Reich way.
there some .ml accounts that just talking about tech, i assume that what it is originally for, but it was co-opting by hard left politics at some point.
wait, what does it stand for?
Technically it is the top-level domain name for Mali.
I’m fairly certain that the Lemmy devs chose it because of their two favorite socialists/communists: Marx and Lenin. But I can’t find a reference to that right now.
Marx was a socialist political philosopher, that helped define the social end goal of communism. Lenin was a militant revolutionary that thought he could ignore Marx’s slow natural social evolution to communism. And force it under authoritarian boot heel. He was aspirationally communist at best, but not communist. His ideology has failed to achieve it everywhere it was tried. Generally, creating a new class of Petit Bourgeoisie or even collapsing into open fascism.
Other than that you are correct. Lemmy.ml hexbear.ml and lemmygrad.ml all chose the Mali TLD because of the abbreviation.
Just like .TV domain is actually Tuvalu but Twitch and other livestreaming sites use it as abbreviation. These countries actually make a lot of money from selling top level domains like that.
Yes though I thought I remembered reading something a few years ago about them reclaiming them. But hard to turn down money.
Other than that you are correct. Lemmy.ml hexbear.ml and lemmygrad.ml all chose the Mali TLD because of the abbreviation.
it’s hexbear.net
Have you read either Marx or Lenin?
A more important question is, did you think critically about what you read. And compare it to actually historical outcomes. Not just take it as dogma. Why do you think the Soviet people ultimately rejected the party Etc. At least symbolically. Why did former vassal States often demolish former Soviet monuments. Did they not read enough Lenin. Or had they lived it.
Unlike the states built around Lenin’s ideology. I believe people should absolutely be allowed to read about opposed ideologies and even organize around them. If they reject you, generally that means you aren’t filling their needs or are being a net burden. Though I also generally reject the idea of, or need for the state entirely. Far too much concentration and corruption. Whether it’s technically left or right.
I did think critically about what I read, and it’s astounding how many predictions that they made came true. For instance the monopolisation of whole sectors of industries was a really specific prediction to make in Marx’ time when nearly every town had their own manufacturers but look at us today with the global food supply controlled by only a handful of corporations.
And the majority of its citizens did not reject the Soviet Union. It was dissolved against the will of the people. Why do you think the CPRF is the second largest political party still today? Why did other communist parties fare so well in the elections after the dissolution? Why did NATO need to systematically destroy Yugoslavia if the people largely disagreed with the system?
Also, I’m gonna be very honest with you here, your statements about Marx and Lenin when you clearly didn’t read them make you look rather silly. As an example, it is widely accepted that abandonment of vanguardism caused the collapse of the SU. Therefore it was in fact abandonment of Leninism that caused the collapse. Vindicating Marxism-Leninism. If we’re talking about comparisons to historical outcomes… And his view on the “free press” still hold up today, in particular when viewed from the side opposing the gaza genocide.
Leninism is the only noncapitalist ideology actually practiced, so I wouldn’t really call it failed. China, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba and Venezuela are the most prominent examples of course.
I can only recommend, once again, Comrade Cowbees introductory reading list. In particular Marx as viewed by Lenin himself.
Lenin was a militant revolutionary that thought he could ignore Marx’s slow natural social evolution to communism
Huh, I never thought I’d encounter an actual Menshevik on Lemmy.
Please tell me through materialist historical analysis: without a strong vanguard party pushing for rapid collectivization in 1929 in pursuit of industrialization, and the rapid industrialization (15% GDP growth per year) between 1929 and 1941, what would have happened to all peoples standing between Berlin and the Urals?
That is such a simplification that it is probably wrong.
Marx did not really concern himself with the ultimate goal of communism. His great achievement was his analysis of capitalism. Marx did not describe a slow evolution toward communism, but rather a process in which the contradictions he identified in capitalism culminate in revolution. No evolution! The few times he commented on communism, he described its prerequisites. He writes in the Communist Manifesto “In depicting the most general phases of the development of the proletariat, we traced the more or less veiled civil war, raging within existing society, up to the point where that war breaks out into open revolution, and where the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie lays the foundation for the sway of the proletariat.”
Lenin’s approach was enormously successful in some respects. After the October Revolution, the USSR underwent unprecedented industrial development, which greatly improved the living conditions of most people. In general, the argument that “it has never worked before” is very problematic. For some strange reason, communist countries have always found themselves under massive attack from capitalist countries. For example, by Hitler’s Germany or the US. Inconceivable sums of money were invested by global capital and its states to show “that communism does not work.” If it really hadn’t worked, none of that would have been necessary. That still applies today. Lenin was a right-wing, authoritarian communist and was rightly criticized for this by people like Rosa Luxemburg. But economically, things were improving so rapidly that capitalist states became increasingly concerned. The fear was so great that capitalists in the US even agreed to the New Deal. Something similar happened in Europe.
ML does not stand for Marx and Lenin, but for Marxism-Leninism. A propagandistic self-description of the system of the Soviet Union under Stalin. Another word for it is Stalinism.
Nah, they chose it because the ccTLD along with few others had been free for a long time. I was there when lemmy was just a few months old.
Someone made up these reference about marx/lenin claim and was perfect for wankies to circle jerk and the tankies didn’t refute it or went along with it, so it stuck.
Before that the free domains were mostly used for spam/phishing (because it was free and being similar to .mil), some called it machine learning, my links, my library and so on. US military sent lots of emails to this cctld because of unchecked typo.
Except lemmy (& maybe reddit? to detract people from the fediverse), the .ml domain is not considered marxlenin anywhere else.
https://dev.to/bauripalash/lets-get-your-own-free-domain-5f16
https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/18/us_military_mali_email_typos/
Moron liberation
Marxist Leninist
They use it to mean Marxist Leninism, although it also does mean Machine Learning and Mali
Mutilated Leprechauns
You just reminded me of Ween’s masterpiece album, ’ The mollusk’
Maoist Lemmy
Now we just need Posadist Lemmy
Yep. I made an account there. Got banned for having an opinion that was in direct conflict with the propaganda shared there.
deleted by creator
Similarly I also thought that, but chose the national instance instead.
My .ml experience:
- Have a different opinion
- Get banned for rule 2
- See what rule 2 is
- Respect other opinions
I’m pretty sure I’m banned from .ml.
Badge of honour.
I’m jealous. I have them defederated but I wish I could disconnect from all their users.
Yep. They’re afraid factual reality might infect their little flock of frightened chicks so they inoculate the entire hen house with “Rule 1” bullshit. Meanwhile, they have no problem allowing vitriol and hatred to spew from their own loyalist goons. And those goons are able to take advantage of the free speech that all the other instances practice because they know that lemmy admins are flaccid an ineffective tools.
.ml needs to be defederated. Let them cry about it in their own little echo chamber.
I’m not even a particularly principled commenter.
Pretty much all I do is shitpost.
from the modlog it looked like you got a 4 day ban for citing a work of fiction as fact and crashing out in the replies when challenged on it
I had asked for a source that the book is fiction and got no answer except a quote from his ex-wife.
Another user definitely pointed out evidence for why the gulag archipelago is fiction you just seemed to not want to engage with it. I had that exact conversation with an ex-friend of mine and I had to tell him why Solzhenitsyn is a piece of shit and unreliable for the truth. This video sums him and that book up perfectly.
The .world experience:
- Have different opinion
- Provide evidence for said opinion
- Get a spam of 15 different accounts calling you anywhere from 7 different slurs to Russian troll/bot
- Get banned for “tankie”
- See how Zionists don’t get banned despite defending an ongoing genocide
“evidence”
A 150 page conspiracy theory ain’t a prove. Also defending Israels crimes against humanity is not the same as advocating for a reasonable solution.
“Conspiracy theory” for libs is anything that deviates from western state propaganda.
To paraphrase Michael Parenti: teachers and farmers, when they unionize they meet in rooms, and discuss their interests, goals, their plans and their actions to reach these goals, what propaganda they need to create, this is obvious to everyone. But when I suggest that the rich and powerful do the same, they call me a conspiracy theorist.
Lol tankies will take everything from Putin and xi and eat it up like it is the eternal truth.
If you can’t admit that, then you are not better than the consumers of said “western state propoganda”. At least they get to think for themselves.
“Michael Parenti = le evil Asiatic country!!!”
I dunno that dude.
My problem is not with “evil asian countries”
Tankies love the russian and Chinese governments and take everything they say at face value. (.ml instance owner is pro-russia iirc). They are not socialist or communist, but authoritarians. Support for them is what irks me, not the socialist ideals.
Ok, I’ll try and explain the way I see it using an example.
We, in the west, live in a bubble of western propaganda, the same way people in Russia live in a bubble lf Russian propaganda and people in China live in a bubble of Chinese propaganda. Let’s even disregard for a moment the fact that the USA, through arts, films and music, being the largest economic and therefore cultural hegemon of the past century up to today, has influence over everyone else.
When Russia started the war against Ukraine, the Russian propaganda gave as a casus belli to its population the “information” that Ukraine was genociding Russians in Eastern Ukraine. These affirmations stem from the Ukrainian civil war happening since 2014, in which the government and some pro-Russian rebels were fighting in eastern Ukraine, so the Russian government leveraged this and the fact that Russian as a language was removed from the studying plans in Eastern Ukraine, and made big claims of genocide of Russians, propagated all over Russian media. To many Russians within this bubble, all the reputable news sources, journalists, institutions and human right organizations, were giving this information, so they naturally believed it, and if people contradict this, they’re genocide deniers!
As a westerner: what should I do? Take the genocide claims at face value because otherwise I’m a genocide denier? No. I should look at the situation, look, importantly, at independent journalistic work and material evidence coming from the region, and reach a conclusion based on evidence and not on “claims”. There are plenty of Russian testimonies in Russian TV of how they were tortured in Ukraine, how they weren’t allowed to speak their language, how they were bombed for years by Ukraine… But those are just that, testimonies without material evidence. So, do I believe the claims? No, I don’t, I don’t believe Russians were being genocided in eastern Ukraine. I believe that Ukraine, much like my own country of Spain in Catalonia, was violating the right to self determination of people in Eastern Ukraine, and Russia amplified these claims by a factor of 10 and called it a genocide. I’ve seen with my own eyes with the information, independent journalistic work, and video and photographic evidence, what genocide looks like as is being carried out In Palestine, and nothing like that has been proven for Russians In Eastern Ukraine.
I can now repeat this analysis for the western claims of genocide of Uyghurs in Xinjiang by the Chinese government, and reach the same conclusion that nothing remotely like in Palestine is happening, so there is no Uyghur genocide. Is this “taking Chinese propaganda at face value”?
A .ml admin even defended North Korea.
See how Zionists don’t get banned despite defending an ongoing genocide
Are they really Zionists, though? I’ve been accused multiple times (twice yesterday and once today) of allegedly supporting genocide. I can actually point out people in the comments here crying Nazi at everyone they disagree with.
This whole “you genocide sympathiser!” shit is getting old. It’s cheap mud-slinging without basis.
Yes, there are Zionists in Lemmy. Anyone believing that Israel as an ethnostate in stolen land has the right to exist is a Zionist. Plenty of people believing that
Not in my experience. Those are few and in between, and highly downvoted. The rest of the time, it’s empty accusations to try to win an argument by vilifying and poisoning the well. The times I’ve been accused have never been in earnest or good faith.
To .ml users, being for a two state solution or even a one state Bosnia and Herzegovina type solution, while acknowledging that there is a genocide against Palestinians going on, still makes you a Zionist. Even being non-Zionist stills makes you a Zionist in the eyes of a .ml user.
Well people who make the same excuses as fascists and make excuses for crimes against humanity deserve to be banned, regardless if they are Marxist-Leninist or nazi.
i’d insert
- see what rule 2 is
- wonder why that applies
“Different opinion” lol complete bullshit as usual
Actual .ml experience (from a guy who has different opinions):
- have a different opinion
- some marxist-lenninist (or multiple) replies with a massive paragraph with several citations with primary sources proving your opinion incorrect
- realise you were wrong the entire time
- become a marxist-lenninist
Also like come on, I’ve seen you around on .ml and all you want is to stir things up and ignore the evidence that other people provide, or say it’s just wrong without providing any alternative sources.
I have found that ML’s tend to refuse to accept alternative views when supported by similar sources. Almost as if they are not interested in political philosophy or discussion but rather have just memorised doga and get worked up when you push passed their talking points.
Most of the time when this happens it is because you are using western media as evidence. Western media often has tons of mis/disinformation so it’s best to stick to primary sources or sources that reference primary sources.
If I’m wrong I’m happy for you to provide an example, I’m sure there are some because not all .ml people are reasonable, just like not everyone on any instance.
My actual .ml experience:
- share a different opinion from the groupthink
- multiple tankies reply in unison at the beat of a drum, dropping high school memes and insults, misinterpreting what’s being said and refusing to listen or even bother to prove anything wrong
- try to defend myself
- get site-banned by admin
🤷♂️
I’m genuinely interested, can you provide a link if that example is still up?
I agree that insulting you is not a good resolution or a nice thing to do.
I sincerely can’t find it. I know it’s a huge thing over there to “ask for links or it didn’t happen”, but I changed accounts and even unblocked the instance while trying to look it up. I think my entire post history got scrubbed along with the ban, which I find hilarious, because how do I prove it happened if the admins deleted the whole thing? lol
I agree it does happen a lot and it is frustrating, the deleting posts, mostly because I am genuinly curious as to what happened.
Every time I enter a conversation all the posts are already deleted so I cannot know if the comments where reasonable or not.
“ask for links or it didn’t happen”
I dont really disagree with this there is a lot of misinformation around and its important to provide reputable sources in order to backup your claim.
- Tell them BYD is using slave labor
- they tell you no
- reply with linked sources
- banned
All i got was a quote of his ex-wife and an evaluation of another book. So please stick to the facts.
Honestly these kinds of posts don’t bother me. I’m usually on here answering people’s tech questions or trying to provide useful resources to people. If they don’t see it because they have ml blanket blocked then that’s their loss.
Yeah, there are plenty people who ended up there early when they’re weren’t many other options. Or just didn’t know. Though it’s your loss as well. Cut off from several instances for the behavior of others. It definitely sucks.
Sure, but seeing posts like this encouraging discounting other people based on the instance they signed up on doesn’t make me want to switch instances so I can spend more time with them. Posts like these make it harder to care about what I’m missing tbh.
If we’re missing more animosity like this thread then we’re probably not missing much at all.
Cut off from several instances
which instances?
Cut off from several instances for the behavior of others
Name them please. Because as far as I know, its a few small ones with barely any traffic?
one of the best parts about lemmy.ml is no cm000spam
Wish we could get rid of the diva and cowbee spam here as well
you could simply block me if you’re tired of my insights 😇
I’m not constantly spinning up new accounts like cm so it would probably be the last you see of me
No no. That would be a concession
What is this in reference to?
This:
Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
Some highlights from the link:
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
Seems pretty reasonable really.
That said, about this:
or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
I’m not sure fair or unbiased really have meaning as terms. I think its more that they seem strong handed and are alleged to have opinions based on propaganda rather than fact.
I definitely think the main developer publicly having those opinions is awful though. Projects have had drops in support for less.
I definitely think the main developer publicly having those opinions is awful though. Projects have had drops in support for less.
To be clear, it’s the fact that they run what many on the outside perceive to be “the flagship” instance. Had they run an instance in the same manner, but with their admin profiles and identities disconnected from their dev accounts…we wouldn’t be here right now.
Then it would be easy to dismiss the Triad when advocating the Threadiverse to mainstream users as just “random instances that many others block”, just like hex and grad
there’s a user (cm0002) who is so fervently anti-communist that they’ve spent years at this point having a vendetta with lemmy.ml/grad/hexbear.
for the longest time they were taking anything posted to a .ml community vias rss feed and reposting it on .world/or other instances out of spite
they also churn through accounts, so people who block them get to re-block them on every new account they spin up
who is so fervently anti-communist
Nope, Anti authoritarian as per the Wikipedia definition for Tankie:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.
for the longest time they were taking anything posted to a .ml community vias rss feed and reposting it on .world/or other instances out of spite
Still ongoing, with reasoning supplied here:
Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
Some highlights from the link:
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
they also churn through accounts, so people who block them get to re-block them on every new account they spin up
I had my unrelated reasons, as I’ve specified before, though trolling .ml for a lil while was a fun side effect I’ll admit
I mean, you can say that, but its not really their loss, because you’re asking them to accept a lot more than just you.
It’s a package deal, and that package deal includes a boatload of clueless tankies who will happily copypasta the most outlandish ideas from their troves of propaganda to explain why actually brutal dictatorships are model societies for the left to ascribe to.
When I say I don’t usually engage with these types of posts, it’s because I remember several others like it that I chose to ignore. Checking OPs history, it seems they posted every other one that I remember. I don’t count it as a loss at all if people like this make their own decision to block ml because I’d rather not see this kind of drama all the time. It doesn’t matter to me if they see it as a loss or a gain, I’m still gonna be here engaging with and helping people who need help in various communities. To me it’s not a loss if someone isn’t able to receive my help if they decide that it’s not worth it to them - that’s their decision to make, and I’d rather not worry about people who are going to behave like OP.
The constant handwringing and wishing about ml users suffering more from being blocked because you don’t like certain users honestly reeks of a sore ex who wants to twist the knife. If ml bothers certain users (I’m looking at OP especially) then just block ml and stop posting about it repeatedly (looking at you OP).
To me it’s not a loss if someone isn’t able to receive my help if they decide that it’s not worth it to them - that’s their decision to make
You specifically said
then that’s their loss.
though. Like they’re missing out.
The constant handwringing and wishing about ml users suffering more from being blocked because you don’t like certain users
That seems like you’re going out of your way to ascribe malice to people who don’t want to be inundated with a certain type of tankie as if their goals are to hurt people as opposed to not be annoyed by their feeds.
honestly reeks of a sore ex who wants to twist the knife. If ml bothers certain users (I’m looking at OP especially) then just block ml and stop posting about it repeatedly (looking at you OP).
You can’t think of any reasons someone might not want to block but might still complain?
I mean here you are simultaneously advocating for not throwing out the baby with the bathwater when it comes to ml users, but then in the same breathe, you are saying people should simply block ml if they have complaints.
It doesn’t seem consistent to me.
More than that, people can choose which instance they want to be on. You could switch to a different instance at any time, and many people have accounts on multiple instances.
With no public vote scores etc, all you lose is a post history that is spotty anyways due to how many posts get deleted on lemmy.
To me it’s not a loss
I think it’s a loss to other people
These are not mutually exclusive and not contradictory at all
That seems like you’re going out of your way to ascribe malice
Do you not see the post at the top of this thread??
You can’t think of any reasons someone might not want to block but might still complain?
Imo this is not complaining, this is shit stirring. This meme isn’t even acknowledging that there are multiple types of people on ml, but advocates for treating everyone the same. Do you not see an issue with that?
I mean here you are simultaneously advocating for not throwing out the baby with the bathwater
This is your assumption. All I’ve said here is that I don’t care, I’m only commenting because this is the 3rd shit stirring post made by this OP, and I consider it a loss to those who block ml, but not to me. I’ve glossed over multiple posts like this from OP in the past so I clearly do not care if people view ml like this, it only reinforces the fact that I’m not missing anything by not being able to engage with people who are this immature.
These are not mutually exclusive and not contradictory at all
I mean the first one said its not a loss generally, not specifically but I can accept that you meant it differently than typed.
Imo this is not complaining, this is shit stirring. This meme isn’t even acknowledging that there are multiple types of people on ml, but advocates for treating everyone the same. Do you not see an issue with that?
I don’t think this has the full context.
You can’t really conveniently sort tankie from non tankie.
ml is a self choosen label though, so people can choose not to use it.
This is your assumption.
How is it an assumption at all? You literally say it again here where you advocate for not treating everyone the same.
All I’ve said here is that I don’t care
You’ve spent multiple comments expressing that lack of care… which doesn’t make it seem like you don’t care, but instead makes it seem like this bugs you because you feel its unfair, and you’ve said as much here.
it only reinforces the fact that I’m not missing anything by not being able to engage with people who are this immature.
But you are engaging with them… I am very confused. The people you are seeing the memes of are the people you are engaging with. The others, they probably aren’t posting about this and simply have it toggled off.
Mightn’t this be a case of the loud ones being the people who are complaining vs the silent who simply have moved on?
Anyhow, I just think its impossible to ignore that certain servers obviously follow some cultural trends. Some are even enforced by said servers and its communities. Many really, when you think about it (Its kinda what rules do to some extent).
but I can accept that you meant it differently than typed.
I did not mean it differently than typed. I said “to me it’s not a loss” and I mean that. To me it’s not a loss, to them it is.
ml is a self choosen label though, so people can choose not to use it.
And people can choose to treat people the same based on that label, and I can choose to think it’s immature. And at the same time I can not care if people choose to cut themselves off from ml.
You literally say it again here where you advocate for not treating everyone the same
No, I advocate for not dismissing people solely based on their chosen instance without taking into account their actual views. I do not advocate against blocking ml entirely, because I don’t view being cut off from people who make those types of assumptions as a loss for me.
You’ve spent multiple comments expressing that lack of care… which doesn’t make it seem like you don’t care, but instead makes it seem like this bugs you because you feel its unfair, and you’ve said as much here.
Only because you and other people have spent multiple comments not understanding me so I’m only repeating myself. I’m only commenting because this is the third shit stirring post by the same user, and I only chimed in to another ml user that I’m not bothered if people decide to block ml because it’s a win to me to avoid immature people and in my view a loss to others because I spend most of my time on lemmy giving tech support to others.
But you are engaging with them… I am very confused
No, I engaged with someone else on ml, and then you couldn’t resist engaging with me. I don’t see what’s confusing about this. I don’t think I’m missing anything by not being able to engage with this post. Yet it’s here, so I’m engaging with it. That doesn’t mean I value this engagement or would miss it at all. Let me again repeat that my preference is to ignore these types of posts, which is why I refrained from commenting on the other similar posts OP has made in the past. It’s kind of silly to assume that engagement means you necessarily value the content.
Do you similarly think engaging with a racist by arguing with them means you must also value their content or presence? Of course not. Chiming in to say that I would not miss them, but also disagree with their views, is not contradictory.
Anyhow, I think I’ll go back to ignoring these types of posts. I think this kind of blanket assumption about people based on their instance is a net negative to the community. That said, I don’t think it’s at all inconsistent to both view OPs attitude as immature while simultaneously not caring if they decide to block ml, precisely because being blocked by immature people is not a net negative to me.
Merry Christmas!
quality advice masquerading as a meme
The best jokes have a lot of truth to them!
I was wondering why so many tankies dominated that instance.
ML meaning “Marxist-Leninists” makes so much more sense now.
What a bunch of assholes.
it actually stands for country of Mali but tankies are right there engaging in imperialism and failing to see the irony lol
The best part. ML losers got the domain because “paying 5$ a year for TLD is capitalism!” and then in 2023 free .ml domains were discontinued because surprise surprise - it was a stupid idea lmao
What a bunch of mega losers lemmy.ml is.
Using cheap/free options to get an open source non-profit social media app off the ground is imperialism now 😭
Poor Mali deserves reparations for the domain name we ripped from their children, all posts shall now start with a land acknowledgement 😂
God you guys are hilarious sometimes
TLD is 5$ per year - the decision is purely vanity and nothing about this is smart or practical.
Fuck! So .ml is not abbreviation for “Monster Lovers”?
No but we can make it mean that 😎
just a different type of monsters!
I call them mega losers
Hell yeah dude, you’re 12
The tell-tale indicator is the post itself, not the instance.
I’ll make my own judgments, thank you.Says the .World-ers
.world has its share of awful and part of why I rock piefed, but I chalk a lot of that up to essentially being the default instance.
.ml was the “default” when I joined. Been eyeing mbin, had an account on kbin too, but sadly it went offline.
There is some slight irony to the idea that hardline .ml users consider themselves champions of the proletariat, while so vehemently disagreeing with the “normie” instance where most of the people are.
.world is far from perfect though, I’ll agree. I’m mainly just here because Lemmy.ml (the first instance recommended to me) rejected my application, while .world (the second one recommended to me) allows everyone.
“The masses are the real heroes, while we ourselves are often childish and ignorant, and without this understanding, it is impossible to acquire even the most rudimentary knowledge.” - Mao Zedong
idk what the instance fuss is about and i dont care
edit 8 days later: i get it now. .ml mods can suck my dick
Whinging about lemmy.ml yet again are you? Speaking of making the fediverse more enjoyable, it’s a good idea to ignore folks who love to stir the pot and create fediverse drama.
My last .ml meme was 2 months ago. I guess I should be proud that it bugged you enough to burn into your memory like that?
But yeah, warning new fediverse users that there are awful places and the whole fediverse ain’t like that, well, that seems a polite way to improve the user experience and help new folks.
I love my city but I also generally warn visitors about our open air shooting gallery a few hundred meters away from the entertainment district for much the same reason.
Now I’m curious about the conversation on the internet with a lemmy.ml user you had.
Because you compare that to a shooting.
Kinda weird.
Haha, sorry, shooting gallery is, admittedly old, slang for an area where people do drugs without consequence. Comes from when heroin was the big scourge.
In Vancouver, Hastings is a super sketchy area that breaks your heart to see (and sometimes, your bones. An elderly friend is in one of the social housing projects there and was hospitalized awhile ago after some asshole shoved her to the ground and stole her purse.) But it is also right next to one of the nicer touristy kind of areas so you’ll occasionally see very bewildered tourists or young folk new to the city terrified and out of place.
Solid rule: verify the source before the outrage. Saves your blood pressure and your feed.
I really need to get off .ml
Whenever braininabox shows up, you know it’s about to get a little Rule 2 in here
This is politics imo. Where’s the corn?
