Side view for more comparison:
Top right: clearest case IMO. nose clearly bears no resemblance to his actual nose, whereas large hooked noses are the most common physical anti-semitic stereotype.
Top left: huge lips is another classic Nazi stereotype. Big ears arguably also, but he does have pretty big ears. The drooping eyes are a more subtle stereotype, but given that his actual eyes are narrow, not drooping, that’s pretty suspicious IMO. Contrast top-right, which caricatures his real eyes.
Bottom left: fucking cursed, but I can’t see anything anti-semitic
Bottom right: unhinged, but again not anti-semitic that I can see. There have been some depictions of jews as snakes, hence having forked tongues, but they’re not super common that I can see so it’s a bit of a stretch.
for the bottom right: the tongue is not forked on the actual ghost, they added that intentionally
OK but saying a politician is a snake or devil of some kind isn’t unusual, so unless we can find some anti-semitic trope it’s based on, I don’t see it.
Ironically, the most common example I know if is Farage as depicted by Martin Rowson!
What the fuck does antiseptic even mean? Does it mean he is going to gas all Jews in the UK?
The four cartoon pics straight up look like they were drawn by A. Wyatt Mann.
Edit: THREE cartoons and a PHOTO MANIPULATION, thank you for correcting fuckin pedant, feels like I’m back on Reddit thanks
Given that the bottom left is not even a cartoon but a photomanipulation I don’t think you’ve looked at them carefully enough that anyone should take your word for it.
You’re right looking at pictures requires an extensive investigative study it can’t be just done at a glance.
No, extensive is not necessary, obviously. But it looks like a glance is not sufficient.
If you disagree you can say what’s wrong with the others. It’s a lot more productive than just talking vaguely.
I was saying they all look racist but you come in hostile so how bout you productively fuck off. Sorry my shitpost comment I made while I was on a walk about how some images are racist and look like a racist guy’s comics didn’t meet your exhaustive observational standards. I sure will sit down and REALLY study a post’s images and my comment before make any more posting lest I offend your delicate sensibilities more.
Or most likely I’ll glance at your poop brown tag you’ve earned now and extensively think “lul that guy’s a full on dingus from reddit”
I was saying they all look racist
But are still not saying how.
Or most likely
Oh no, however will I cope? The approval of people who add nothing to discussions was all that was keeping me going :'(
Do you even know who A. Wyatt Man is? It’s an internet comment not a fucking research paper. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, stay ignorant, I’m not here to hold the hand of some fired up toxic asshole. If someone asked half-respectfully, I could elaborate.
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Thank you, herr FishFace.
Other images make the nose appear more hooked
But surely anyone’s nose will appear more hooked when widely grinning like that because it’ll slightly raise the points where your nose attaches to your face.
True
And if you have a lick of sense and any kind of historical awareness, this fact won’t make you exactly reproduce overt Nazi caricatures.
It’s alarming to me how many people here have no fucking clue how clear-cut antisemitic the top right one is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Merchant
as a jew it’s actually shocking to read the top level comments on this post. practically every one is either dismissing it or subtly anti-semitic. i think i might actually hate it here on lemmy
Further down you can at least see that one person actually learned and concluded that they’ve ostensibly been too sheltered to learn about this until now.
Ok, young people exist, but so many of them just loudly proclaiming they see nothing wrong is just alarming, no matter if they’re just clueless or Nazis rubbing their hands like their favorite caricature.
Yeah, someone pointed it out to me. I kind of see it now
What the actual fuck. Nevermind the antisemitism for a second, why are they even bashing politicians based on appearance in the first place? British media is unhinged.
It’s a standard thing they do to anybody vaguely left wing.
If your election promise isn’t to go visit all the billionaire media owners and personally suck them off, you’re not going anywhere in the UK.
Yeah if you published something like that in Sweden you’d get pitchforks shoved up your ass.
I’m amazed their officers haven’t been fire bombed yet. If their hacker journalists had an ounce of talent they would be humiliated working there.
Right. I don’t know how indicative of the climate in the uk this is, but with this and the comments, I’m freaking out a little bit rn.
Comments are all like “this is a proud British tradition and I don’t see anything wrong with it, plus fuck all politicians let’s bully every single one of them so only the worst narcissists survive.”
Like Margaret Thatcher! That old commie
But Zionists only cry when you make fun of a jew
It’s called caricature, and it’s been a central part of British political cartoons since the 18th Century. Politicians have been known to buy the originals to hang on their walls.
There have also been caricatures of Jews that were clearly antisemitic in intent, like some of the ones of Polansky.
Especially the top right one depicted here is just extremely blatantly antisemitic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Merchant
We also have political caricatures. They look like this.
@mirshafie @insubstantialpageant they really don’t want the Greens to have any influence at all!
Well yeah they’re trying to implement policies which will ensure to continue existence of the species beyond the next generation. What an awful prospect.
Just always been like that, spitting image was an institution.
What’s wrong with it? Caricatured politicians practically every day for centuries since we’ve had a press, this is bad now?
Historical context. Nazis have been using this particular Jewish stereotype for decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Merchant
You’re not allowed to criticize anyone Jewish without a shitload of idiots coming out to pretend you’re a Nazi for it.
Criticize away, just don’t use blatantly racist caricatures in doing so.
Politicians are horrible twats. No idea what the ratio is, or how it could be proven, but I would imagine that the amount of “good” politicians is a very very low number. I mean politicians that actually have the best interests of the public at heart, or in mind, when they’re making decisions. The idea of voting for people to make decisions for me is nuts. Any outrage about a caricature is crazy.
If you don’t know what the conversation is about you don’t have to contribute. It’s not a requirement you know.
I have my criticisms of the greens but not with him in particular
I am fully aware of what the conversation is about.
Let me break it down for you.
Caricatures are drawn of a politician.
Somebody claims that because said politician is Jewish and has a big nose in the caricatures that they are antisemitic.
Likens the caricatures to pro-Palestine marches when they are, and should be, independent of one another.
I would suggest that Keir Starmers connections to Israel, and influence by the Jewish people close to him, may lay closer to the reason that his government have cracked down so hard on the Pro-Palestine movements.
They are a total contradiction in themselves, which has been proven time and time again. Which is something I get is being attempted with this/these examples.
But they are not like for like. Nowhere in the cartoons is the politician calling for death to Palestinians or even pro-Israel (so cannot be accused of being antisemitic) under Starmers laws.
But equally if the politician was calling for that, he likely wouldn’t be accused of it either under Starmers Britain.
Starmers Britain is one where the “only” antisemitic people can be those that will use satire, humour or criticism of the Jewish people, but not necessarily Semite people. That includes calling out Genocide or just publicly supporting aid for the people being slaughtered.
One example is in this video - A Jewish community crowd around a news crew, telling a Semite journalist that he should “go home” and that he is not welcome on their streets, calling him a Donkey and a Dog. Nothing happened to any of them.
The law is very lob sided on this ‘law’ under Starmer. His version of antisemitism that he “will not tolerate in any form” is only really in favour of some Semite people, but definitely not all, and not only does he tolerate it, he often ignores it, in many of its forms.
It seems Jewish people cannot be antisemitic, but other Semite people can be.
Photo of the guy for comparison
With teeth like that how could he be anything but British?
In fairness though Laurence Fishburne is American and I can’t think of any other famous examples
Why is teeth shaming okay? Try to stop being a classist asshole.
I didn’t really associate the stereotype of bad teeth with lower class British people. AFAIK the stereotype comes from even rich British aristocrats supposedly having bad dental care.
That said, you are right that applying that stereotype to specific people without first checking if they’re upper class is more likely to hit lower class people, especially with how culture has shifted since the stereotype was first formed.
So your classism is more about the USA being better than the British then being about rich and poor. 👌
That’s not classism, it’s more nationalism.
It’s okay to be classist about British people they have literal classes and should in fact be mocked for it
Absolutely wild that they have a class system and most don’t even choose something interesting like warlock
It’s on our birth certificates and everything.
As an archivist in our related field, I can confirm that you are a true master
Thank you! I’m a big fan of your work mapping fart cloud migrations.
Your how to be a troll rubric is really failing you on this one
We don’t associate this with class, we think even your rich have fucked up teeth.
You know MAGA face? That’s kind of how British people see American teeth: incredibly fake. It’s a lot of pain, discomfort, and money to conform to a an unnatural standard solely for apperance.
British teeth aren’t rotting and decaying, they just haven’t spent years forcibly rearranging the bones in their face.
This does result in classisim in America, because poor families can’t afford to rearrange their face bones, and not having cosmetically “perfect” teeth is looked down on.
Don’t get me started on the hideousness of veneers. Talk about just turning your smile right off. So many beautiful faces ruined :(
TIL
Mate, I’m from New Zealand.
And that invalidates anything I said?
Who said they were bad? That’s on you. I love a snagle tooth 😍 so many people straighten their teeth unnecessarily. It removes all their character
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I mean…
They’re not playing with nothing, but they really leaned into drawing his features in an especially antisemitic way
Slimer is not Jewish tho for one thing ectocooler was NOT kosher and also when he was eating books in the library those were vellum manuscripts which as you know can only be eaten by Jewish ghosts under certain very specific
This comment is so funny I had to check: The ingredients seem kosher BUT they never got Kosher certification so it’s technically true.
And when I looked into similar packaged drinks, I found that almost none are kosher. Some of the same drinks ARE kosher when dispensed from a machine, though, so maybe it’s a preservatives thing?
Some very solid evidence that Slimer was not Jewish would be his glizzy gobbling. He didn’t ask the vendor if it was kosher, he just ate em.
The ingredients seem kosher
You can mix kosher ingredients and get something that isn’t kosher, like a cheeseburger.
True, though I couldn’t tell how the combination of ingredients would prevent the label either.
And along with the combination restrictions, there are preparation restrictions, too. Gotta get Hebrew National when you invite Jewish friends at the summer BBQ as not all-beef hotdogs are kosher!
…damn now I’m nostalgic and want some latkes and [those folded up artichoke things I forgot the name of]
Who’s following kashrut in 2026 (at these prices)? lol, what food a person eats is not a significant sign of their ethnicity.
We’re discussing the ethnicity of a silly ghost character based on context clues the writers didn’t deliberately put in a film from 40 years ago, don’t take it too seriously
Yeah, what’s serious about antisemitism? Who could get hurt? Not like they were gassing and cooking human beings withing the last 100 years or anything…
Yeah. I should be less sensitive.
No one in this comment chain was making light of antisemitism, though.
I feel like I’m about to ruin the joke but…what makes their comment so funny is that they’re (jokingly) missing the point and going off about something irrelevant with a fully-formed argument.
I fact checked in the first place to send to the same Jewish friend who once told me he hated Hitler…for taking that mustache style off the table for everyone. Not a guy you can accuse of not taking antisemitism seriously.
Bro. You’re using your Jewish friend to explain to me how this isn’t antisemitism? Do you even read what you write before you hit send?
Well, I appreciate you informing my ignorant self as to what antisemitism is and isn’t. I should not have presumed to know about such things, and appreciate you setting me straight on it. I, and others related to me, should really learn to be less sensitive to such things. It is just humor, after all.Bro. My family is from Skokie, IL. Like half of the people in my life are Jewish. I used a real example of someone “missing the point” for humor and their ethnicity is VERY relevant to my point that it’s not antisemitic to make jokes on the topic.
I have no idea how you get through life if your jimmies get rustled by two comments that weren’t in any way antisemitic. There are so many horrors in the world (including actual antisemitism) to get pissed about and THIS is the hill you’re gonna die on?
Arguing that Slimer wasn’t Jewish because he consumed ecto cooler, hot dogs, and books is funny as fuck.
cooking human beings
Definitely not kosher.
Yeah. I should be less sensitive.
Yeah probably, if you can’t even handle jokes about Slimer being jewish specifically because the writers didn’t intend it and thus “that’s the joke.”
Maybe stick to Feivel I guess.
I don’t care. Say what you want because, 494 votes on the topic? 152 comments, many based around me anyway? Yeah, no one is listening to this instance anyway. And therefore, there is no one to care.
Ok.
It’s the forked tongue. That’s an oooooooold stereotype, and is literally textbook antisemitism.
Did you find an example? I was looking but couldn’t find any.
Because when they talk about “anti-semitism” they are actually talking about anti-ZIONISM. Since they are a vassal state of USrael.
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Whatever someone’s politics are, these caricatures are gross and way over the line. Criticism doesn’t need to lean on antisemitic imagery.
Is the antisemitism in the room with us right now?
The media is truly scared of politicians that can’t be bought out
OP is SO STUPID! NONE of these Cartoons showed someone PROTECTING Children from Bombs or PUSHING away Dogs that are RAPING Children! THOSE would be Anti Semetic!
-The BBC and Keir Starmer!
All of them are owned by a Jewish Zionist family by the way.
The Telegraph isn’t.
Edit: also, I couldn’t find any accounts of Murdoch being Jewish?
Cannot find anything about Murdoch being Jewish but his (much younger) wife is.
Murdoch has been a staunch Zionist for all his life https://www.jta.org/1999/01/25/default/murdoch-relishes-pro-israel-label
One of the most fucked-up things about Murdoch is that his father helped fuck up the Gallipoli campaign in 1915 … and that dude was in his fucking mid-30s at the time. Not to mention that the elder Murdoch also helped destroy the career of Australia’s best general from that war, a general who happened to be Jewish.
No, Churchill fucked up the Gallipoli campaign. Murdoch just ended the suffering of the British, Indian, Canadian, ANZAC, and many other colonial soldiers by revealing the truth. The only time a Murdoch did actual journalism.
Is that what Dark City was about?
Wait, really? The scifi sleeper hit that got eclipsed by The Matrix because it came out in the same year and had a similar story? I haven’t seen it since I was 15 or so, so I wouldn’t remember anything political from it… Or are you just joking?
Murdoch was the chars name.
Oh hah, it was wasn’t it.
I found the same, but that’s not really enough to describe the Murdochs as being a Jewish family. It’s frankly antisemitic to baselessly say a major media mogul is Jewish.
Lol there we have it. The truth is antiseptic.
I was talking about the Maxwells
They have nothing to do with any of these newspapers. I’m not even sure they have anything to do with the Mirror anymore.
The rich are afraid of chad Polanski
Here we see those whose ancestors were not cooked in an oven in living memory explaining how this isn’t antisemitic, and how maybe people are too sensitive. Thanks for the perspective.
Surprised they haven’t drawn him with a rat’s tail at this point.
Zionism does not belong to Judaism
No it’s check notes anyone who critiques a nation on genocide. At which point we will lump all members of their prominent religion into the same bucket because that’s equality.
Who is the “we” in there?
But are these anti-jewish depictions or are they caricatures? Pretty sure those anti-jewish depictions were caricatures in the first place so hmmm. Is there any proof that this isn’t a common way to depict politicians in the UK? Because it feels like typical caricatures.
I’ll start by saying I’m not Jewish or a expert in Jewish caricature history so grain of salt:
I’d say top left gets a pass. top right is literally the greedy merchant meme and it barely looks like him. even if it did look like him, you should still be careful not to invoke the Nazi depictions.
bottom right would normally have the highest benefit of the doubt, except Slimer has a very distinct large tongue and they couldn’t help but give him a forked tongue.
Bottom left doesn’t look like him at all. So it would get a pass but it feels like they focused so much on his nose that they forgot to make it resemble him. So that’s also suspect but eh, whatever.
Top right and bottom right are def antisemitic imo. they definitely knew what they were doing, and if you think there’s plausible deniability, that was part of the calculation.
top left: agree
top right: it’s a typical caricature
bottom left: extremified features are typical of caricatures
bottom right: snake tounge is a descriptor of politicians it means liar it doesn’t mean jewish.
Search up UK political caricatures these are really typical. It’s probably got a lot more to do with oldmate having stereotypical features and being a politician than anything else based on available information.
they definitely knew what they were doing, and if you think there’s plausible deniability, that was part of the calculation.
That is just plain false you are lying…
I disagree. This same argument can be made for a minstrel style depiction of obama. It is precisely their historic use that makes them problematic.
Can you frame it as a whole problem and not a “it’s okay for some groups of people but not okay for other groups of people” problem where you want to act like treating people different based on their race or religion is moral?
What? Context exists. Historically, we’ve enslaved peoples, we’ve genocided peoples, and so on. And yes, sometimes yhis entails different treatment of those peoples to right those wrongs. Pretending otherwise is some white lives matter shit.
It is worse to say the n word than it is to say cracker, and I will die on that hill.
Exactly context exists. So why is it totally thrown out in your argument? Political satire is the prevailing context, political caricatures. By nature they are meant to be offensive.
It is worse to say the n word than it is to say cracker, and I will die on that hill.
That is false equivalence. Also comparing the n-word to ''loud poor idiot" is wild.
Making an offensive depiction of a black person is not racist. Making an offensive depiction of a jewish person is not anti-jewish. And as long as we are getting offended on behalf of entire groups, I am offended on behalf of all black and all jewish people because you think they are so tribally thin skinned that they need special protections against something the other ethnicity politicians hang on their walls.
Hey let me try one : So because movies had racist depictions of black people, no black people should be allowed in movies? Actually that isn’t such far off false equivalence now is it? That is what you want for political satire.
E:Look up street caricature artists some funny shit out there dude lighten up fight an actual problem talk to an actual activist see where your efforts will be valued.
don’t be all lives mattering this shit
Are you stupid how is that even applicable?
it’s the fake equality concern. you’re arguing for equal treatment to groups that are not on equal ground to begin with. yeah some things are more ok for some people than it is for others because historical context exists. a black man can say cracker all day and all night and it wouldn’t be as bad as a white man saying the n word once. tough shit.
These things are not comparable. Comparing the n-word to “loud poor idiot” like they are equal is literally some of the most stupid shit I have ever heard. You have no idea what you are talking about. You can’t be infantizing people based on their race or religion that is genuinely wrong. I know you aren’t trying to be racists and anti-jewish, I know you are just stupid. Be bettter.
what the fuck are you even talking about. anti Jewish? loud poor idiot? what? is this an AI bot? you’re hallucinating.
