I just had a thought like “What if some UFO aduction experiences people claim to have are actually people being kidnapped by the CIA”
The kind of stories I’m thinking about often go like: “I was driving on an empty road in the middle of nowhere. I saw a bright light,” and then either “I remember nothing but had lost time” or “I remember being experimented on by aliens and then put back in my car.”
My tinfoil hat side is thinking like, these stories started happening around the time the US admitted to experimenting with abuse, torture and psychoactive drugs in Project MK-Ultra. Alien abduction stories were the most prevalent during this time. (CW: Just a heads up. If you want to read the rest of this post or anything else about MK-Ultra, be warned that it’s pretty horrible, and involves some of the most disgusting torture I have ever read about. Death to America.)
Of the surviving documents released to the public about MK-Ultra, the CIA admits to: “kidnapping people it deemed “expendable” to undertake various types of torture and human experimentation on them. The prisoners were interrogated while being administered psychoactive drugs, electroshocked and subjected to extremes of temperature, sensory isolation and the like to develop a better understanding of how to destroy and to control human minds.”
Part of me wonders how many of these alien abduction stories are just people being kidnapped, drugged with powerful hallucinogens, experimented on and then released with the suggestion conditioned into their mind that it was aliens.
The most famous alien abduction story is that of Barney and Betty Hill, an interracial couple that were both civil rights leaders, definitely people that the CIA would want to fuck with, especially during rising tensions with the Soviet Union, the US government was suspicious of minorities and anyone interested in their rights.
Does ‘The CIA assassinated Kennedy’ even still count as a conspiracy theory?
It is literally a conspiracy theory…
Sure it is man. Sure it is.
The CIA did invent that term, so maybe in an oblique manner?
That 99.9% of the time social media “virality” is just admin from YouTube and TikTok manually choosing which of their favorite influencers are forced upon users. I’m not even talking execs here, just low-ranking code monkeys and paper pushers on a power trip.
That most Meta workers abuse their power and read users’ DMs. Pretty sure this has been confirmed, though not by Zuck and the gang—just random ex-employees. I knew a guy who worked for Facebook who my gut-instinct says was cyber-stalking me. He let a piece of really personal info about me slip during a convo. It wasn’t a dark secret, just something that I’d barely told anyone. I assumed that maybe my friend had told him, but she said she’d hardly spoken to him.
That most Meta workers abuse their power and read users’ DMs
Btw this is workers in like every industry with access to user data. Tesla workers sharing car video recordings amongst each other for laughs https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/6/23672760/tesla-employees-share-vehicle-recordings-privacy
One of my friends while working for our university also looked up the transcripts of her friends and even took requests for lookups on anybody from her friends
This is so wild to me. I used to be a sadmin (a sysadmin with more depression) and the culture of the trade where I worked was extremely rigid. We had the power to read everyone’s emails, spy on financials etc whatever we wanted but if you didn’t diligently practice the art of unseeing when digging around to fix something, or ever mentioned something you should not know you were instantly a pariah and fired shortly afterwards.
Even the goofiest people that liked to laze around and play office pranks would become rigidly formal and serious if it seemed like someone’s privacy might be about to get violated. Similar to doctors/lawyers clamming up.
Idk if that was just the culture of the past, when the position was more of an estoteric thing you were inducted into? or if the company I worked for was uniquely good about it. Everyone I met at conferences was like that too though.
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Remember when iRobot admins leaked a video of a random women naked on the shitter? No doubt people dig through that shit when bored.
One of my friends while working for our university also looked up the transcripts of her friends and even took requests for lookups on anybody from her friends
Not surprised. My university had to redact the addresses from its student directory cause creeps were going to people’s houses and doing other weird, predatory shit. It was interesting looking up rich kids’ houses though. However, I now realize that Zillow stalking is a creepy violation and I regret taking part even though I wasn’t physically going anywhere. Too many people were using class division as an excuse to prey on women (and some men) who they found hot.
At my job i get access to addresses and phone numbers and names, so i always call my coworkers over when someone has a funny surname or odd street for their address
Bruh come on why
Nobody remembers them we go theough like 50 of them a day
That 99.9% of the time social media “virality” is just admin from YouTube and TikTok manually choosing which of their favorite influencers are forced upon users
I think you cracked the code on Justin Bieber’s origin story.
Imo, late-2000s YouTube was organic compared to what it’s become.
Maybe so, but I think there was some manual choosing of “winners” back then too.
There is a reason the government wants intelligence assets on the boards there. Everyone is getting a taste
Not harmless, but I think the CIA used one of their secret less-detectable slow-acting poisons to kill Hugo Chavez.
the CIA backs and boosts absolute nonsense conspiracy theories like flat earth, tin foil hats, and Obama being a lizard to discredit the notion of conspiracy theory entirely
There IS evidence of that lol. All the domestic counter-intelligence and psyop point to exactly that. And they literally have memos saying they planned on turning the term “conspiracy theory” to mean “crazy nonsense”. Like actual documents saying: we’re doing this!
CIA literally created the UFO conspiracy and drove people to mental breakdowns making them chase lights in the desert for decades to give cover for weapons testing
I mean I wouldn’t say that…. They certainly helped push the most crazy and less credible people and stories. Also discrediting the more credible ones. But I have seen shit that cant be easily explained, and I’ve read and heard many more stories as well.
I think it’s part of their tactic. Just like the “evil pedo satanists” conspiracy, where actual regular evil pedos actually do run the world. Not for their pedophilia, or because of it, it’s still capitalism in the end. But like, push a crazy conspiracy to hide a real one y’know?
What did you see 0-0
I mean, I can tell you but you have to promise not to look at me like I’m crazy lol
Back in late 2020 I was living on the last floor of an old building with my girlfriend. We were getting ready to go to bed, which means my last cigarette of the day. So I went outside to a little area we had, like a miniscule terrace.
I was smoking and looking over to the dark horizon, to a bridge near our home. The clouds that day were REALLY weird. They completely blanketed the sky and were really low and dense. But the night was not that dark, almost with a brownish light.
Anyways, after a bit, I saw over the distance after the bridge a thing. It was far, but at first it looked like a bunch of black balloons floating. And the “balloons” got nearer and nearer.
I’m terrible at measuring distances, but when it was maybe 100-150m away (I won’t convert to American measures soz), it started to shift in a weeeird way. The small roundish forms that were circling each other (like balloons) started to gather into a single shape. When this happened I ran and screamed for my girlfriend.
I quickly went back to observe the “thing” and I saw the singular black blob continue to move closer. I could now see it wasn’t a shiny black sphere as I thought, it really looked more like a hole in the clouds. Like an endless black hole. It wobbled and shifted a bit, never a perfect sphere.
Soon after my girlfriend arrived (both of us silent, mouths opened just freaking out), the blob “spit” out a smaller sphere. The smaller sphere started to perfectly orbit the bigger blob. And both continued to move closer.
Eventually the two blobs were right above us, maybe 50m above. And THIS is where it starts to get really weird.
The bigger blob shifted shapes again. And it looked like a human. Head, arms and legs. Then the smaller blob became a smaller human shaped thing. To highlight, my girlfriend is much shorter than me. In any case, after they shifted into human shaped holes, they started to dance. They held hands and danced around in a circle. Honestly seemingly very happy.
The only thing on my mind at this moment was “this is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen”. I really think I was smiling.
After maybe a minute, the shapes stopped dancing. The bigger one seemed to look directly at us. And then it waved. I waved back. I felt this was maybe the most momentous moment of my life. But I looked back, at my girlfriend, and she was crying in shock. That brought me down real quick and I was worried for her. I tried to calm her down. Then I looked back at the shapes.
They looked defeated, arms and shoulders down. They slowly became spheres again, and the smaller one went “in” the bigger one. The now one sphere seemed to go up and up, slowly. But it really only looked like a small hole getting smaller. I kept looking at it for maybe 20 minutes as it disappeared completely.
I asked my girlfriend why she was so afraid at that moment, and she said she felt they were going to take me away. I think I kinda felt that as well… but they didn’t want to make her sad I guess.
Idk man, I really searched and researched for months after that. I still have absolutely no fucking clue what it was. I don’t think “aliens” in any way other than “non-human conscious intelligences”.
Damn thanks for sharing I asked because some people have these experiences but I never have. This is such a unique story you have as well. Really wild
All I can say is look more at the sky dude. I look at the sky a lot and I’ve seen a lot of crazy shit. I also feel if you “want” to see them(?) they appear more. Idk. I really feel the problem of consciousness and UFOs (or the phenomenon) are related.
But yes this was by far the craziest thing that has ever happened to me.
I meant that they created the concept of UFO conspiracy, the people researching UFOs were already there but CIA took advantage of them to discredit any sighting as ramblings of crazy conspiracy theorists
Going as far as keeping active contact and feeding “leaked information” with prominent UFO researchers, sending literal men in black to their doors, and orchestrating UFO contacts
Tbh most of this is shit I’ve picked up over the years from blog posts and youtube videos, but I’m like 75% certain this had actual sources, I’m just too high to verify anything
Ah we 100% agree then hahaahah
And yes, even the stuff picked up from getting high and falling into rabbit holes. Tbh, after sometime it gets kinda easy to spot bullshit and psyops.
I’m sure the truth about the phenomenon is not at all what the mainstream and even the “main” conspiracies portray it to be.
What I always go back to is the foo fighters and similar phenomena, crop circles and the nuke orbs. Those are the hardest to explain away imo, and I feel they mean something more than other shit.
But my personal experience also makes me think back to the ancient texts, the Vedas, ancient Egyptian and Sumerian texts etc. And idk, maybe the phenomenon is “angels and demons”. Or how I see it, weird non-physical or material stuff, in “higher” dimensions or consciousnesses. And not “aliens” with starships from other worlds.
Could you post a link to something on the nuke orbs you mentioned? I was not able to find anything that sounded similar from a quick search
You can search for “Robert Salas UFO” to start the rabbit hole, but basically there are a lot of military personnel that worked near nuclear facilities or even transported nukes that say orbs appeared and disassembled or deactivated them. Sometimes even doing this to missiles mid-flight during testing.
There was video of this, I remember seeing it years ago. I tried looking for it, but just found dead links to deleted YouTube videos…
The thing that gets me is how many US UFO sightings were made in the 1950s, at the height of the Cold War. There has to be at least some “what if the Soviets have superweapons” type of thinking there.
I think it has more to do with nukes tbh. The concentration of sightings around areas related to nukes is much greater (research facilities, test sites, where the nukes themselves are stored etc.).
anyone with examples of the CIA funding or pushing weird conspiracy theories, please post them, I would love to read about that
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I absolutely believe this. It’s a low cost move that pays huge dividends in convincing “smart” people that conspiracies never happen.
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Sometimes I wonder whether some of the very popular conspiracy theories are also this. The conspiracy theorists are super attached to 9/11 and the JFK assassination, but not to the incredibly suspicious shit that happened right after (Iraqi WMDs, Lee Harvey Oswald murder).
I also think they boost right wing propagandists like Pragur
Amonh us
I strongly believe that a lot of the internet is dead and that it’s just chugging along with a digital Potemkin village of activity and relevance, with no further input from living people needed or even wanted.
Much like how “oops, the did a fucky wucky today so livelihoods must end” tea leaf reading is just taken for granted as meaning something, way too many people just trust “googling it” or whatever a Wikipedia entry says and go with whatever is then put in front of them.
Since returning to reddit a few months ago after a hiatus of a few years I’ve definitely started to wonder. So much of that site is so circle-jerky, they just talk about the same shit over and over again. Is it because they’re just redditors, they’re bots, or is it a little of both?
I strongly believe that it’s bots normalizing bot-like behavior from the bazingas that still post there that want to fit in with others that are already talking like bots after following the behavior modeled by bots. I think that’s where the “um, it’s almost as if I like it that (thing that enrages them)” format became standardized.
Potemkin village
My guilty gear ass brain
:SickoBridget:
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Reddit literally has bots that copy entire posts, comment threads, and rough upvote ratios. You can’t tell it’s fake because it’s an exact copy of an actual human-generated conversation
stay woke
I think they were just high-quality models of hot women and the game was highly publicized so they were popular targets. As the popularity of the game waned and new models from other games were released, you saw a drop off of porn of the Overwatch cast.
Second part is 100% true.
We can’t say for sure that they were releasing it to juice to numbers. However you know the guys drinking human milk out of the lactation fridge were making it and probbaly selling old versions to the models to porn studios.
By the way UFO abductions are basically all just people falling asleep in various comical scenarios
They were all just really embarrassed about falling asleep while driving
Baseball is a Masonic ceremony
https://southerncrossreview.org/53/diamond2.htm
https://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2009/03/masonbb.html?m=1
https://www.universalfreemasonry.org/en/article/baseball-esoteric-pastime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumambulation#Freemasonry
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/11937/11937-h/11937-h.htm#ch21
oh THIS is some good shit
Oh I’ve never seen this before, gotta read it.
Thoroughly enjoyed reading this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_aviation#
I think the “Pioneer era” of aviation history (1903-1914) was probably preceded by more flight than is widely acknowledged, perhaps because the patrons of these unrecognized early aviators had the incentive and capability to obscure any developments in aviation they had made, both for reasons related to personal economic gain (think 1800s capitalist class, protecting r&d investment in a tech not ready for market), and/or to state security (think the relations of that same class to emergent state, their proto-intelligence/security apparatuses) - basically the Reconstruction Era deep state MIC had steampunk Black Helicopters, and they were using them to do UFO-coded psyops
Consider the “Mystery airship” phenomena https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_airship
I especially love this particular encounter in illustrating the way this all prefigures the relationship between the UFO phenomena and the CIA (and adding on, to drive home the relevance here more broadly: “cults” -> trafficking/blackmail/recruitment -> black ops, strategy of tension, anti-communism)
One witness from Arkansas – allegedly a former state senator Harris – was supposedly told by an airship pilot (during the tensions leading up to the Spanish–American War) that the craft was bound for Cuba, to use its “Hotchkiss gun” to “kill Spaniards”.[27]
👀
Consider Rufus Porter’s failure to bring his “aeroport” airship to market in 1853 https://newenglandaviationhistory.com/rufus-porters-aeroport-airship-1853/
Consider posthumous “outsider artist” Charles Dellschau’s “Sonora Aero Club” active 1850-1858, purportedly as part of a wider secret society called “NYMZA” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Dellschau#Posthumous_recognition
the Confederate helicopter is right there
https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/plans-little-known-confederate-helicopterfor further reading, this semi-satirical(?) piece about the “secret history” of “anti-gravity” tech has a lot of relevant details
https://zapatopi.net/blog/?post=202006037850.the_secret_of_apergy_gravitys_second_phase
and here’s a fun 3 part series on the “Mystery airships” in vintage magazine Fate, with lots of details related to the above stories but which ultimately ties it all to aliens
https://archive.org/details/Fate_Magazine_278_v26n05_May_1973_/page/n83/mode/2up
https://archive.org/details/Fate_Magazine_279_v26n06_June_1973_/page/n95/mode/2up
https://archive.org/details/Fate_Magazine_280_v26n07_July_1973/page/n59/mode/2up
Holy shit comrad!
Now this is a good post.
Professional sports are not rigged in the literal sense of the word but they most certainly have strongly influenced outcomes
I was coming here to post this one. The only thing that holds me back from fully believing it is that a lot of results dont really seem ideal for “storytelling”, coming from the pro wrestling fandom.
And also the Survivor/Big Brother fandom where “not rigged but definitly influenced” is absolutely a thing. (Though again, in tthis case the fact that many results on these shows are definitly NOT what the producers wanted tells me they definitly dont control every step).
Yup. Referees are cops (I will die on this hill)
i do think the Hills were probably just super sleep deprived. don’t drive for 20 hours straight https://web.archive.org/web/20201109004211/http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/009378.html
Yeah true, there are too many factors like that for me to say its true. That’s why it’s just a silly little thought “what if” and not something I’m too serious about haha
i read /u/mechwarrior2’s link, if true it is quite interesting that they were communists who had a bunch of air force friends and lived real close to a nuclear base. However Betty also seems like a very unreliable narrator.
e: and contrary to the substack author’s opinions, Martin Cannon seems like a rather excitable fellow, and I’m not sure I trust the “Martin Cannon listened to a tape and said it said she was a communist” or really anything that comes from him. I read his paper called The Controllers (later developed into a book from which the substack author took this tidbit), but Cannon seems to be writing further than the facts allow. 1. He gives a lot of credence to some guy who says he’s a deadly Navy SEAL with the usual accompanying deadly weapon hands 2. At great length he entertains the possibility of US government implanting electrodes in peoples’ brains, remotely activated in order to affect their behavior. Okay sure, we’ve got pacemakers, there’s some prior published research with brain stimulation on humans, and that would definitely be useful militarily. That’s a viable MKULTRA experiment area, they’d try it. But he goes on to say
[Robert] Naeslund, a Swedish citizen, tells a similar story. Moreover, his claims were backed by special evidence: X-rays revealed an implant in his brain. Naeslund actually went to the extreme of having his implant tested by electronic technicians employed by Hewlett-Packard. A Greek surgeon performed the necessary trepanation to remove the device.
You’re telling me that this guy had a mysterious implant removed from his head by a surgeon and the most I can find is a photo of a dark blob on an X-ray? You’re telling me that brain implants are common in “abductees” and there’s no evidence of these physical artifacts? Especially because the usual paranormal explanation for these experiences is alien abduction, an “alien” artifact would be a big fucking deal and they’d publicize it. Props to him for putting forth a theory that can be supported or killed by evidence, I guess.
Found this back in the glory days of /r/CTH: Justin Trudeau is Comrade Fidel Castro’s failson. I know it’s true because it’s too funny not to be true
New Coke was a ruse to switch Coke to corn syrup.
I regard this as a confirmed fact
I think there’s probably a lot more human experimentation going on than any of us would like to think.
I’m sure Musk or some other billionaire tried to recreate the the 6th day, and got the perfect cloning part done, but gave up and had their clones killed after they couldn’t get the memory uploads working.
I’ve always similarly assumed the number of human clones running around is higher than is known or acknowledged.
Not like, body double shit or anything like that. Just people out in the world who happen to be cloned from someone else. If they could do it with a sheep decades ago, there’s no way some obscure billionaire freak hasn’t at least tried to bankroll the creation of unregistered human beings for dubious purposes.
Wait until you hear about twins
Cloning has a very high failure rate particularly among large animals. That and humanities long gestation period and slow growth rate make it unlikely. But maybe, I wouldn’t put it past them
A clone would still need to be in someone’s womb to gestate, so why would it be any less registered than a regular baby? Just fuck people and enslave your own babies at that point, it’s an American tradition. If anything clones would just draw more suspicion.
Babies are technically clones