- 72,996 Palestinians killed by Israel (7 Oct 2023–14 Jun 2026, (UNRWA)
- 46,590 Ukrainian civilians killed by Russia (24 Feb 2022–31 May 2026 (OHCHR)
According to ACLED, from 7 Oct 2023 - December 5, 2025, Israel attacked these countries (There have been many more attacks since then): (LINK)
- Gaza and the occupied West Bank 8,332 times
- Lebanon 1,653 times
- Iran 379 times
- Syria 207 times
- Yemen 48 times
- Qatar once
- Tunisian waters twice, Maltese and Greek waters once each
Countries attacked by Russia since 24 Feb 2022 - Ukraine
Sanctions on Russia: 20 Sanction Packages
Sanctions on Israel by EU and HERE (harder to find any) 3 Sanction Packages
Israel war crimes in the war on Gaza. They’ve cut electricity, fuel, food and water to Gaza’s population and severely curtailed life-saving humanitarian aid, all of which are acts of collective punishment. The ICC has issued arrest warrants naming Israeli leaders and alleging war crimes and crimes against humanity (including starvation as a method of warfare). They have also been accused multiple times of attempting genocide. Israel is accused of the gravest war crimes - how governments respond could haunt them for years to come
- Quick Facts: Israel’s Illegal Use of White Phosphorus
- Israel: White Phosphorus Used in Gaza, Lebanon
- Lebanon: Evidence of Israel’s unlawful use of white phosphorus in southern Lebanon as cross-border hostilities escalate
- Israel used weapons in Gaza that made thousands of Palestinians evaporate
I can’t find any accusations of Russia using white phospherous- EDIT (thanks @Gust@piefed.social)- Ukraine war: Russia accused of using phosphorus bombs in Bakhmut
- Russias aggression in Ukraine
- 10 facts you should know about russian military aggression against Ukraine
- Russia accused of escalating chemical weapons attacks against Ukraine
The two wars are different in that The war in Ukraine is a state-to-state conflict, while the one in Gaza shows an asymmetric war in the besieged enclave
FACTBOX - Ukraine and Gaza wars compared
The Israeli wars are just dirtier than anything most have seen or heard of. In the UK you are more likely to be awarded something for protesting against the Russian invasion of Ukraine than anything else. But protesting against the more violent, more aggressive and more illegal wars commited by Israel will likely get you arrested and possibly treated as a terrorist.
Let that sink in.
In the UK if you protest against a genocide in another country, the government have ordered the Police to arrest you.
Petition: End the prosecution of peaceful protestors in the UK)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65506993
Largely agree with what you wrote, but let’s not whitewash russia to make isreal look bad in comparison. They have absolutely used/been using white phos munitions on Ukrainian civilians
Edited. Thanks. Wasn’t whitewashing Russia at all. I used Qwant, DDG, Google, and even asked a couple of AI bots, but couldn’t find anything about Russia using it. But I never said that they didn’t, because I am well aware that they commit war crimes too.
Huh. Thats concerning if those kind of general searches about russian warcrimes are being suppressed. For reference, I remembered the bakhmut thing offhand so my search query for the article I linked was something super specific like “2023 bakhmut phosphorous”
Yeah, I’ll have a look through my history and see how I phrased it, but it was something like “accusations of Russia using white phospherous or illegal weapons and war crimes” in a few different ways.
ai was useless (no surprises) but thought I would see if it spat out anything different anyway. They just asked me for reference links to feed them with. Which I obviously didn’t have.
Weird, maybe too many words? I searched on DDG “russia white phosphorus” and it was nothing but claims about Russian use of it
I did get results for chemical weapons, Specifically chloropicrin, as it’s in one of the links and their other heinous war crimes. I just didn’t see any for white phospherous in particular. 🤷
I mean, space Karen has taken some obvious pro-rus actions. He has the money to make that happen. Not stating fact or causation, just making unkind speculation about pissant teakettle heeljerks.
Not sure where you see the whitewashing of russia there?
The part where OP said there havent been any accusations of russia using white phosphorous bombs. There is proof of russia using those weapons in bakhmut in 2022, which is what I linked to.
Maybe he really didn’t know that russia used it too. I still don’t see strong evidence of him whitewashing Russia especially with his links about gross russian war crimes.
You can debate the word whitewash, but his point is valid - op said no WP, but there is evidence of WP.
Op also said that the comparison of condemnation can still be valid without the WP point.
I didn’t say no WP, I said I couldn’t find any accusations of it… and I couldn’t. But I have now added that link anyway.
Good comparison and data, but I’d like to point out that the leading stats are actually 16k civilians killed in Ukraine (and 46k injured), as per the source. While in Gaza there are 72k direct deaths and 172k injured (mostly civilians and 50% women and children)
It’s disgusting how Western governments still approach one country with all possible sanctions, and the other is just business as usual (and finger wagging if we’re “lucky”).
There are so many sources citing different figures, I just picked the one that is mostly used by media. Also, it is believed that the figures in Gaza are much higher than the figures that the data shows. But without proof, I didn’t/couldn’t link it.
Would you look at that, a wild genocide connoisseur appeared!
Go fucking extinct with your comparisons of human suffering. The only thing you prove is your own lack of morals. The only thing you achieve is total disrespect to those suffering.
I was not comparing the wars for the wars. I was going to explain at the end, I ran out of time, but I naively thought it would be understood. I can only say what was in my head when I posted it. Or you did understand it, and approve of what’s happening.
I am not (I thought obviously) condoning any war.
I’m not saying that one war is “better” or “worse” than any other war.
My main point (really, my only point) is that Starmers government compared the two and decided that one is bad and the other is good.
Despite all the atrocities that Israel do (which I was trying to accentuate in the post) - People are getting locked up as terrorists for agreeing with Palestine action.
it’s fucking ridiculous
in the UK we can be arrested for protesting against a genocide.
that Starmers government compared the two and decided that one is bad and the other is good.
I mean, not just Starmers. Your point stands for a whole lot of governments.
Well, yes. But afaik Starmers is the only one that you can get arrested and have it reclassified as a terrorist action and imprisoned for lengthy sentences. Or get arrested as a terrorist. But unlikely to happen due the exact same offence if protesting a different war.
Where is the disrespect? They just point out the moral ambiguity of the west.
Nothing ambiguous about it. Insert family guy skin color swatches meme. You might be looking for the term “hypocrisy” instead.
Some of the politicians are definitely hypocrites yeah. And racism counts for some of it as well. But mainly I think it is good ol’ imperialism at work. The politicians feel they have to support Israel and they don’t know what to do about the genocide, and simply ignore it. This is not an excuse. Everyone complicit needs to go to the Haag.
Would you look at that someone blindly defending Israel.
new label… genocide supporter. there you go!
Yes they permanently scar important agricultural land that may be necessary to the future of humanity for basically no reason, but asking them nicely to stop would be antisemitic.
Oh… so they’re war criming against Lebanon exactly like they have their other enemies?
Can’t really say I’m surprised
Why are we bombing Iran when we should be bombing Israel instead?
Because we made Israel for a reason, and it’s delivering.
Because both the usa and israel are terrorist states
Because they have nukes.
But honestly America could tank a few Israeli nukes. We need to just rip the bandaid off.
I hate Israel. Of all the nations I’d have thought them the most compassionate after what happened at Hitlers command. How can you do this to people. And who produced the goods/delivery system cos you’re equally to blame. Sincerely hope you are judged for this
Don’t a lot of abused children become abusers themselves? I’m not justifying it, but it seems to that it’s the result of inter generational trauma. Not just centuries of oppression and pogroms, not just the Nazi holocaust, but a lot of Israelis came directly from places in the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe that were brutally oppressive.
Babylon 5 still being relevant, unfortunately:
Sinclair: “In order to be free, you had to learn to fight; no one questions that. But you’ve over-compensated. You’re like abused children who have grown big enough to do the same thing to someone else… as if that will somehow balance the scales, it won’t. If you let your anger cloud your judgement, it will destroy you.”
Look up the Havara Agreement. Look up what they did in Palestine right after Palestine accepted them.
Again. Again again.
They keep doing this.
I see on social media and Reddit of Israel-apologists and obvious Hasbara accounts saying the white phosphorus are for smoke covers. Like, sure, the smoke from burning bodies of victims of white phosphorus provide smoke covers.
Are you suggesting that Real Jews should die for lack of smoke cover from the bodies of untermench children? Do you think dead burned untermemench are worth more than a life from the master race? Antisemite!
For Zionism being all about the “land of Israel”, and wanting to build “greater Israel”, why do they hate and abuse the land so much? I mean ok, they hate the people, I get that, they are fascist colonizers. But why the land? They do the same to the West Bank when they destroy centuries old olive groves, and that’s in their supposed “Judaea and Samaria” that they are supposed to love so much that they want to ethnically cleanse.
Simple. Money. Just look at New Gaza Project
This is SOP, they do it in Palestine and Syria.
The UN should investigate to determine if this is true.
Israel has been using it for a long time and nobody does nothing.
If the UN investigates and determines that Israel is using white phosphorus, the UN could condemn Israel.
The UN has officially condemned Israel well over 100 times. I doubt one more will make much difference.
Did the US join the condemnation? If the UN determines that Israel has been using White Phosphorus in a way which violates the Geneva Convention, the US might join. Otherwise, Trump will have to explain the reason.
That’s an awesome level of naivety. Dude, wake up, Israel is committing genocide in broad daylight and the Orange is enabling them. You think some phosphorus will change anything?
Yes, because proving the use of white phosphorus in violation of the Geneva Convention is easier.
They’ve already proved it with soil samples elsewhere that Israel has attacked. Their crimes have been documented in every possible way and brought to the UN, for decades. Official UN bodies have condemned them. Israel and the US instead says you can’t trust the UN or Human Rights Watch or any other monitoring group.
Are you a troll or what?
What’s wrong with suggesting that the UN investigate? Meghan Markle says she is the most trolled person in the world. Her only offense is marrying Prince Harry.
The usa may join lol. The usa is still defending israel and refuse to acknowledge the genocide in Gaza. Like people also said it is already confirmed that israel use it
Trump will have to explain the reason.
Trump hasn’t had any sane explanation for anything he has done this term. He doesn’t care. He just mumbles some gibberish and attacks the next country.
Even if he doesn’t care, he would still have to explain the reason he is not condemning Israel for illegally using white phosphorus.
You seem to have been misinformed about how things work in this world. Maybe try reading some newspapers.
lol what is that going to do to a fascist imperialistic madman? It’s like Chuck Schumer’s “strongly worded letters” to Trump
It would be embarrassing to Israel since they deny using it against the rules of the Geneva Convention.
What’s embarrassing is that the country trying to be a Jewish ethnostate is committing genocide. If that is not embarrassing enough, a violation of the Geneva convention definitely won’t be worse for them.
Both would be embarrassing but proving the illegal use of white phosphorus would be easier.
I CONDENM THANOS!
Perhaps if the UN confirms that Israel has been using White Phosphorus in violation of Geneva Convention rule, the Avengers could be assembled.
fuck the avengers this is a job for the x-men
Yes, from looking at the new trailer for Spider-Man: Brand New Day, Spider-Man and the Hulk will be busy.
Its been reported 1000s of times for decades. Israel doesn’t deny it’s use either, they just lie about the purpose of it’s use.
Majority of countries have signed onto international agreements to not use it during war because of how detrimental it is.
Israel uses it on civilian populations but lies about its battle use to get away with harming civilians and the growing fields that they depend on.
Edit: And to beat you to the hollow response, its been reported by the UN and the Human Rights Watch (UN Partners)
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/israel-white-phosphorus-used-gaza-lebanon
dammit phosphorous is too good a fertilizer to waste it on war crimes what the fuck
Have it brought to the UN Security Council for discussion.
Lol, dolt
It’s true, there were videos of it a few months ago. They’ve been using it for a long time
A UN report would have more weight.
Welcome to North Bank
“No one” isn’t the genociders using the white phosphorus. It should be, but it isn’t.
