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It’s as if some notable proportion of humanity suddenly switched to eating nothing but vaguely food-shaped plastic, then a study concluded that that might have negative effects nutritionally.
No shit?
no shit!
Zero poop.
Absence of bowel movement
Dearth of excrement
Crapless
Very little duh.
You mean the computer program that removes the critical thinking aspect of school instruction is having detrimental effects on americas children and their excecutive functions? Say it ain’t so.
Now now, there is no real proof that getting something or someone else to do things for you would stop you from learning how to do it!!
Look at me, I got someone to pass my driving test and I’ve only had 22 accidents this year. Way down on last year!!
It’s important to have these studies, even though the result is predictable. People who want to move toward restricting AI in schools need something more than anecdotes to point to as justification.
If your kid becomes dependent on you to continue wiping his ass well into his 30s, thats a failure of the parent. We are raising a generation of students who are dependent on machine statistics, not reason, to decide whats correct and right. God help us all.
You’re on to something here. I raised my kids to use technology as a tool, not as a babysitter. They didn’t have smartphones with SIMs until after they’d learned to drive. But they knew how to count in binary on their fingers by the time they were three. They’re really good at recognizing when something was LLM-generated, and only use LLMs when it’s required.
I think there’s quite a few kids like them out there, but they aren’t the ones you hear about.
God I can only imagine how bored they were being taught to count in Kindergarten.
They had fun with that; kept inventing new ways to count, and then taught their classmates with various levels of success.
Thankfully, their teachers got on board and didn’t see it as being disruptive.
We get closer to idiocracy every day
I’ve been interviewing software engineers for many years, and this was the first year the “AI natives” started graduating and applying for jobs.
Never had such a high rate of people completely unable to write one line of code in a language that appears on their CV, it’s been about 50% in the last few months where I had to end the interview during the warmup question.
Back in my day, we had to do homework ourselves…
Back in my day, a few of us did homework, and others got other people to do it for them, or made up excuses as to why they couldn’t turn it in.
“Do you know how to use microfiche ?” is my generational secret handshake
Replace “school” with any place that ai is used and this headline holds true.
Edit: spelling
I mean, the problem is LLMs. If I were to replace “school” with “biomedicine” or “protein folding,” then that would be clearly wrong. However, the AI used in those fields are machine learning models, not LLMs
Even LLMs have use cases were they are a good tool - fixing grammar, low risk translations, etc. Unconstrained chatbots with models that are way past the point of diminishing returns is just not one of them.
Yes, absolutely correct. I suppose I should say that dependence on LLMs is the problem, more than anything.
Just wait until you find out how many teachers are relying on it
The real problem is that teachers aren’t being paid enough to give a fuck.
doesn’t stop them from giving a fuck though.
my wife was at a school where no one in her grade used the llms. like, they already had established curriculum. they didn’t need to. she moved last year. now her principal uses claude to read and respond to all her emails. who knows what else. it’s obvious and infuriating. the whole damn school is struggling because of it. i want to tell the principal “you know, the district hired you, not the openAI. keep using the AIs and the district will wonder why they hired you” but it would cost my wife her job come pink slip time.
so it really depends on the district and the school.
I wish there were more teachers like your wife. I also wish I could afford to become a teacher myself, but could never afford the pay cut.
it was a pay raise for us. my wife was a school district interpreter. they make about half what teachers do
Well, no shit.
Grok is that true?
No shit, Sherlock.
Didn’t even have to type it out you took care of it already.
When I was in year 12 of high school last year, some students attempted to use ChatGPT to write their practice exams for them. Mind you, these practice exams are the same as proper state mandated exams, where there are to be zero electronics used whatsoever unless it’s a disability aid, but the practice ones are also just that, to practice your skills, not to write it off as some worthless obligation.
There were actually heaps more of these students who entirely used LLMs for their assignments, would be made to rewrite them because it’s AI written, then proceed to have ChatGPT write it again and pass it through a ‘humaniser’ which just made it unreadable. It’s alarming that these people are willing to stop using their mind at all just because some service from half way across the world wrote an essay better than they could before.
Off topic, but it’s kinda cool to know younger folks are on the Feddiverse! Thought lemmy was just a bunch of old people like me haha
Fork found in kitchen
Yes! lol.
And wait until the confirmation study of the water in the kitchen sink comes back! Initial findings strongly imply it may be wet!
I use AI to my advantage, as long as it’s still at the “free until you’re addicted” stage. I found that it’s particularly good as a language teacher - learning new languages is one of my hobbies.
However, i am over 70 and will not fall into the “let AI tell me what to think and then think it” trap; i can see through it. This ability should be taught first at school, before the kids can use the useful side of the tool. But most teachers themselves are used to make the kids think what they want them to think, so I doubt that it will work.
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