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    Okay guys 'n gals. What’s your first game you thought of while reading this greentext?

    Mine is TimeSplitters 2 on PS2.

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    Honestly, that’s the entire reason i lost interest in consoles after buying the PS4. If i need to:
    1 Boot up the console.
    2 Update the system (twice).
    3 PSN account bullshit.
    4 Insert disc.
    5 Install the game.
    6 Download 50GB update for the game.
    7 Install said update.
    8 Finally start the game.
    9 Login and TOS bullshit.
    10 Finally play game.

    I might just as well use my PC for gaming at that point. The games library is larger and the exclusives are just not worth it. Especially after Sony started releasing those on PC as well.

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      Especially after Sony started releasing those on PC as well.

      They put a stop to that, and now it’s more clear why: they want absolute control over the price of their games.

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        Which is a shame. I was going to buy Marvel’s Wolverine and that God of War remake collection.

        Now I will go back to not supporting Sony in anyway shape or form

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      i’ve never had to spend hours finding the ‘right driver’ for my PS4 to run a game. or having to mod the game to get it to just play.

      which is why i gave up on PC gaming, I’m old and I just want to play games, I don’t wnat to spend 2-3 hours ‘troubleshooting’ every game on my PC and having to swap drivers because some games only run on some drivers.

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        i’ve never had to spend hours finding the ‘right driver’ for my PS4 to run a game. or having to mod the game to get it to just play.

        Funny, I’ve never had to.do.those things on my PC.

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            Two of us.

            And we’re on Linux even. It has its own share of issues. Generally, if a problem is game-specific, the fixes are stuff like “switch Proton versions” (there’s a little dropdown in Steam or whatever launcher you use) or “toss some environment variable in the launch options”. But those are really a thing of the past now, stuff just works.

            And it never took installing drivers for a specific game (…huh?). Installing drivers is a thing you do once, if that, during initial setup, just like you’d do account creation for a console.

            – Frost

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          cool. I am not you. I have to do it basically every time i want to PC game, and always have.

          even my nephews have to do it frequently and they just bought new gaming PCs that are a few months old.

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    Full game on a disk? You new school kids don’t know that 1/2 of the game is loading the 17, 5 1/2" floppies in order just to install your game.

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      and we all had our own way of stacking the floppies. so you would never install anything with anyone you didn’t trust around, because they might move your stacks.

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    This is def nostalgia goggles, so many games were broken buggy messes back then because there was no way to ship updates

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      No, they weren’t. Most had bugs, but they weren’t game-breaking. A lot of people took joy in finding and exploiting the bugs too. Dupes, etc.

      Yeah, some shitty games were loaded with bugs.

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          Thats not really fair. Morrowind was so buggy someone decided they needed to remake the entire game engine to play it. I wouldn’t say most games where like that.

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            Bloodline the masquerade was also infested. We remember these because the games were so good they were worth fighting to get running. The ones that were buggy and bad are mostly forgotten.

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              yeah, back in the day it was “crashed to desktop every 15? set a timer to save every 14. this is a cool game.”

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          Most of them? Care to provide some examples without the ridiculous “don’t work” hyperbole? Clearly most Sega games were functional, otherwise no one would’ve been playing them.

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      "Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. Anything that’s invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. Anything invented after you’re thirty-five is against the natural order of things.” ― Douglas Adams, “The Salmon of Doubt”

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        As someone who recently started hoarding old tools I wish that was true for all things.

        We just recently got a singer 500a and its still impressive the engineering that went into that thing. The machine work is beautiful, and if you told me it was made in a CNC machine today I would of believed you.

        Today modern and new, just means slave labor and plastic molded parts. Besides computers a lot of things haven’t really changed. And often when they have changed it’s for the worst. If I get a sewing machine today it would come with some app and internet connection for no reason, and would have plastic parts that struggle to get through 3 layers of cloth. While the singer 500a was meant to run 24/7 and is essentially the same exact thing.

        For the most part the world has kind of been solved sense shortly after the industrial revolution. All the general commodities we interact with where mostly at their peak form back then. Dish washers, fridges, washing machines, driers. They’re all almost exactly the same as they where when they where invented. There have been minor improvements that have been added over the years but for the most part things are in general just shittier.

        You can blame so many things, you can say that mass production, trickle down economics, exporting labor etc all causes this. You can say that everyones access to mass produced garbage is an indicator of wealth and poverty dropping. What I don’t think you can say anymore is that things “products” are better than they where in the old days.

        I agree with your statement about cultural aspects though. Other than that when I hear some new innovative product the first thing that comes to my mind is its going to be another internet of things device that constantly bugs me and asks for more data, while providing 0 utility over the old version of the product, if anything its going to add more friction to my task, or attempt to insert a paywall into my life where one never existed before.

        With games its harder to objectively say things where worse/better, but this infection of syphoning money out of every possible source infects games too. The only reason I can’t say new modern games are bad is because indie games exist. Some of those indie games actually have brought me back to a childhood state where games where actually fun.

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        We’re 26. The new stuff is crap, and that’s not just nostalgia goggles, it is actually objectively worse.

        There’s plenty of new stuff that isn’t crap, like say indie games. But the platforms, the consoles, etc.? Those are intentionally disrespectful these days in a way even, say, the Wii/PS3 era of consoles wasn’t (and they certainly weren’t perfect either, it just started getting way worse way faster after that).

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      When a game sucked ass then you had a physical product you could sell or trade to offload it. Instead of the whole game getting the servers shut off and delisted within a year if it’s bad today. Even the bad games were better back then because of this

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        i’ve played single player games my entire life and got nothing but shit for it. i guess because they don’t have all the drama of multiplayer games and the constant updates?

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    Back in 1997 I bought the game KKnD (Krush, Kill n’ Destroy) in a local store for what would now be 110 dollars only to discover that it was broken and wouldn’t run on my machine and there was no way to get a patch for it.

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        Nope :) I mean, I was 13, so maybe I could have if I’d pressed it but I was a kid and figured it was just bad luck.

        Like, we weren’t online - you couldn’t look up consumer protection rules and shit back then, you had to rely on some adult who wasn’t a complete moron knowing what to do.

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    when can i stop living in this universe and switch back to the one we originally were on? man i miss it so much. That and original pizzahut

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      you never did and you never will.

      games cost about 4x what they do today back then. you were paying 40-80 dollars per game, and they never got discounted really unless they became a huge hit and got a best seller release and maybe they went down to 20-30, in 2026 dollars, that’s between 40-160 dollars per game. which is the reason why most folks only bought like 2-4 games a year if they were lucky. now you are buying dozens of games per year for like $100-200.

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        i buy two games per year for $100 tops but more like $50 after shipping and taxes. my personal and local public library give me plenty to do.

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        In Germany you could buy most games for 12.95DM in the 90s/10€ in the 2000s, if you were willing to wait a year after the initial release. And unless you had enough money to buy the newest PC, you often had to resort to last year’s games anyway. As a comparison, I got 20DM for mowing my neighbours lawn.

        These re-releases came with just a jewel case and no box, the manual was a PDF on the disk but on the other hand they often had some bugs fixed since the first release.

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        i agree with you in a way, its true that in the 2000’s i could only buy about a game a year also because you weren’t switching consoles as frequently as we do. I could wish for a game from Xbox and i would never play it because the console i had at home was playstation. Nowadays that is leveled, but this goes hand in hand with the things related to the amount of games we have vs what games we finish. And back then i fisnished all small amounts of games and we recall every nook and cranny of the games, nowadays its really cool to look at a 200 game library but we are not taking the best of them because of the diversity, we have so much we quite cant click as easily (at least this is how i feel but i have found people with different opinions)

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    The sweet spot was getting the full game on disc and getting included DLC, having the ability to mod the game, and run private servers. It was kinda the golden era of this stage in gaming. Computers were powerful enough to give a great visual experience and studios were still interested in producing engaging storylines in triple A releases instead of just banging out battle royale games.

    You could just enjoy the game as-is with a really good singleplayer campaign and then with whatever online offered. To this day I still have great memories of Half Life, Crysis, or even MoH:AA, especially the Snowy Park map. Do they compare graphically with today’s games like Fortnite? Not a chance. But you remember the story and how the game was way better at pulling you into it.

    Some of the mods from this era turned out to be just as popular, if not moreso, than the original base game. Some of them live on to this day.

    Sure, some Steam games offer mods and the like, but it certainly isn’t the same thing as what we had 15 or so years ago.

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    I genuinely do not regret jumping off the video game train back in 2015.

    Everything I have heard about the evolution of the gaming industry since has surpassed my pessimistic predictions back then, which could be summarized as: video games are becoming predatory and I feel like they eat my time and money for dismissed returns.

    It was especially the consol market and the whole online aspect that made me wrinkle my nose. Feels like nowadays you actually can’t buy and play a game offline.

    But what do I know. I only tune in when my friend is playing on twitch and we talk about life over Signal. We have gone back to retro games recently too. Jake and Daxter 🎉

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        i think a lot of people are (me included) because its just force of habit to gravitate towards the AAA games and even tho there are some famous indie games out there like hollow knight those might not be for everyone and we lack maybe the will to search for them? I am probably switching to pc and i wil be searching for more indie games for sure. Maybe some good might come out of this!

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        I enjoyed watching some playthroughs of a couple of games over the years, but then I sorta lost interest. Used to follow John Wolfe a lot and watch his playthroughs. He was good at finding never heard of indie games in the horror genre, so I witnessed a few gems through him.

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      Plenty of good stuff still happening in games.

      Indies are bigger and better than ever. Yeah, the shitty stuff is front and center, but its not hard to find games made with genuine passion either.

      Looked at different, we are a in a new golden age of games. Not for giant AAA titles or hardware.

      But for the fact that game engines and tutorials on how to use them are readily available, and lots of normal people with neat ideas are making them into real games.

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        one of the things I like about my thirties is that a bunch of people who grew up interested in and liking the same things I did now have the skills and ability to create things I like

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        Indies are bigger and better than ever.

        Are they? Most I play are from the 2010s, even if they are still being updated in some cases. What are some good recently released ones.

        Some I have put a lot of hours into: KSP, Factorio, Rimworld, Kenshi, Vintage Story. They might be better games than they were back then but it’s still those games. X4 is fun, not sure if that counts as indie, should play it again, apparently it has diplomacy now rather than just shooting people you don’t like.

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          Windrose is a giant indie success that shat all over Ubisofts attempts at satisfying people wanting a pirate game.

          More. Not all meet the technical definition of indie (the studio being 100% self-pulished)

          But all of these games are quality projects that have good traction without massive budgets.

          • Haste
          • Sektori
          • Kletka
          • Peak
          • Species: Unknown
          • Routine
          • Buckshot Roulette
          • Crow Country
          • Deep Snow Delivery
          • NEBULOUS: Fleet Command
          • Jump Space
          • Motorslice
          • Hades 2
          • Sifu

          I could literally keep going if I went into games that are older or that I haven’t gotten to yet.

          My wishlist is getting longer, not shorter. I am finding games I want so much faster than I can play them.

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            Hmm, skimmed over a few and some of those seem kinda interesting. Not sure if they are the sort of thing to put many 100s or 1000s of hours in though.

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              Good start.

              Fortunately whether you in particular are impressed by a fraction of what one random person happens to like, has no bearing on whether we are in fact getting more good games than ever, nor is the amount of hours you get out of game a metric for quality.

              That you like the types of games you can immerse yourself in for those amounts of time is a matter of taste. A game can have a runtime of 15 minutes and still be worth both making and playing.

              Let me keep going.

              • Crying Suns
              • Lumencraft
              • Death’s Door
              • Frostpunk 1/2
              • Moonlighter 1/2
              • The Long Dark
              • Iron Nest
              • Dead Cells
              • Slay the Spire 1/2
              • Project Zomboid (theoretically still not 1.0)
              • Outer Wilds
              • Hollow Knight: Silksong (ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE TITLE, and it’s indie)
              • Ultrakill
              • Signalis (One of my favorite horror titles of all time, maybe “the” favorite)
              • Return of the Obra Dinn
              • Nuclear Option (speaking of games you can sink hundreds of hours into)
              • CAIRN
              • Risk of Rain 2
              • Judas (upcoming)
              • Hardspace: Shipbreaker
              • Schedule 1 (another massive title, while I’m personally uninterested)

              The point, is that things are going fantastic. Whether one or none of the new games succeeding today are up your alley. That you already found your evergreen timesinks, is great. But it is a fact that more indie titles are getting traction than ever before, and more people are opting out of AAA titles with expiry dates.

              That’s the thing. You can keep playing your 2013 titles forever. And more games that work like that are being released, and succeeding, than ever before.

              That’s a good thing no matter how you look at it.

              There is genuinely so much to play I can’t keep up. I regularly discover stuff from the last several years I had no idea existed, but which is exactly the type of thing I like.

              Go look. Tons of these games have absolutely no ad campaigns, and I find a lot of them through word-of-mouth via friends, or the communities of other games I play.

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                I wouldn’t think of zomboid as a new game, got it ages ago. It’s alright, not a massive fan of permadeath though. Especially in a game with easy potential for many many hours of progress on a save. If a run is fairly short then I am ok with it. Like extraction shooters typically do, just dislike the PvP aspect of a lot of them.

                That actually brings me to zero sievert - that is pretty good. Though it doesn’t feel like it’s really balanced around the mode where you lose your inventory on death.

                I’ll take a look into more on the list later. I used chatgpt last night (yeah, perhaps not the best source of info) but it did find a few games that sound interesting. Got a list on my PC to search through later, some are so cheap on gog right now I might grab them. A £2 game is probably fine even if it only has 10s of hours of playtime.

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    I never got the “modern games are no fun!” thing because I’ve always played retro games only. Growing up around my dad and his SNES Station, I ended getting influenced.

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    With the exception of “buy game”, “disk/cartridge”, and split-screen mode with minigames, this is Endless Sky.

    Digital gaming can be great when corpos don’t ruin everything that makes it great.

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    Because of this and also the whole RAM deal, I’m wondering if some retro trend is going to happen. Like gamers just going back to exactly those games.

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      Pretty sure it’s already happening, retro console pricing has been going up from what I’ve seen

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      Retro games and indie games, the golden combo.

      They all run in potatoes, are fun, unique, doesn’t have anti-consumer practices built in. It’s all golden.