I’m starting to look at those old cars just to not have built-in trackers on my vehicle.
The engine in my 1994 K1500 is fucked but I’ll engine swap before I buy a spyware truck.
I figure the engine swap business has got to be booming right now.
In like 2018 I bought a 2014 Honda Accord Sport for $6500. 6 speed manual, fun car to drive. It had like 50k miles on it which is essentially nothing for a Honda. Carfax was clean etc. Then I had 2 kids and it was time for the Minivan. I traded in the Accord at the dealership (which I never do, but didn’t have time to do a private sale). They gave me something like $9500 for it. This was in the beginning of 2025. I drove the Accord for 7 years and made $3000 somehow. And I’m sure the dealership sold it for like $12000.
Shits crazy.
Was it pre-spyware? I’ll pay extra for pre-spyware vehicles. I work in IT, so I value my privacy.
Trading in is the biggest theft. Always better off selling on your own, by thousands.
Agreed, but I just had a second kid (she was about 2 months old). I also live in an apartment building with street parking. Between those things and work and life in general, holding on to a car and figuring out a private sale just wasnt in the books. It’s not what I wanted to do, but it’s what I had to do. It still worked out.
Yeah, the new car market has made overpriced shitters look good
Just checked out a trade in 2026 model at a dealership. Had 14k miles already in 8 months and had a damaged head unit display (2k for replacement). Told the dealership they were gonna struggle to sell it, especially given that there’s an actual branded dealership selling these all day long a mile away with a quarter of the miles and no damage. It’s been sitting on their lot 2 months already with barely any online hits.
GM had a hissy fit that I suggested 2k less than their price, OTD, for me to drive it off the lot.
I suspect I’ll be getting a call back in a few weeks when their quotas are low and they realize they aren’t selling gold-plated Ferraris.
You should offer them something even lower when they do
The value has dropped, it’s now closer to inspection date
And they’re more desperate to sell
“I moved on, but for the favor, I need another 2 grand off.”
Psh, that’s high-balling it. If the dealer gets anything more than breaking even in this situation, the buyer messed up.
The dealer dismissed an offer of 2 grand off the first time. You need to show him that next time you won’t be so generous. Teach those snakes to be open to bargaining again, or they’ll only continue to raise prices year after year.
You are naive if you think a dealer ever loses on a car sale. If you think you got a deal, 100% you got fucked with a bad car.
If you think you got a deal
I never said anything of the sort. I’m not sure where you got that I did. I simply told the other commenter to play hardball.
Hell, the new cars do that too.
Just buy an electric car. It’s a 40% discount after 2 years. Thanks previous owner.
They devalue even worse off warranty, 60% .
Usually warranty is 3-5 years though, by that point I’d say nearly every car is around the same depreciation.
They have never made an electric car I want.
What sort of car are you a fan of? I sort of felt the same way but then Subaru (by way of being owned by Toyota) came out with an electric station wagon that mostly looks like a normal car. It’s great.
The closest anyone has come is the Golf EV. The Subaru you like is still too much like an SUV. And the interior 🤮
I feel this. “Teslafication” took over the interiors and so, so many are SUVs in the states. Our obsession with them stinks for anyone just wanting a car.
Screen addicts want car screens. Look at Tesla crash rates, higher than any other brand, 3 years in a row.
Not just the interiors, but also on the headlights. They all have a flat front and a long LED light bar across it. And if that light bar breaks it’s a couple grand to fix.
Cause nothing ever hits the front of a car and breaks a headlight, right?
Look at a Gen 2 Nissan leaf.
Loosely related: if your relatives ever give you anything to sell on Facebook Marketplace or something, they will insist on some sort of insane price which will not move. You lower the price dramatically and it finally sells after weeks and weeks of just sitting there. Knowing that your boomer relative will be angry that it sold for $25 rather than 40 bajillion dollars, you lie to them and say you sold it for $45. They bitch, shit themselves, scream and cry, give you a hard time all throughout Sunday dinner and then claim they’re going to sell their own stuff from now on. They never sell anything, or even attempt to do so. The end.
Tangentially related: Some times your relatives don’t even have to still be in possession of the item any longer to inflate the price and get offended. My mom goes on and on about how much some LP she had when she was 15 would be worth if grandma hadn’t of let it mold in the garage. I looked the album up and if she had a first pressing in mint condition it would be worth a bajillion dollars, but she most certainly played the shit out of a beat up copy of a 14th pressing that isn’t worth shit. Likewise, eBay fucks with their sense of worth, too. My parents will mention something they have being worth a lot of money and I’ll ask how they know only to be hit with “we saw that someone had one of these that went for several thousand.” And of course, looking deeper into unravels the entire plot of why that very not really rare thing sold for an unusually high price 10 years ago during a minor surge in popularity of that thing due to a new media reboot.
This is so fucking true
It shows me they have no idea how to check the comps. Some eBay sellers will be delusional about their items or will list something for an inflated price just for the outrage views, that doesn’t mean it’s ever sold for that price. You’ve got to check the most recent sold listings and check to see how many sold recently.
They die and now all that stuff is your responsibility anyway
I’ll tell them on their death bed that I will totally sell their used figurines for 40 bajillion and that this is a reasonable price.
I already told my mom not to leave me any of her prized 70s era ethan allen furniture because I’m just going to donate it.
Noooooobody wants ugly old baroque heavy fucking king arthurs court style tables and chairs. If they do want it, there are lots of people selling it because people like me have a parent who died and left it to their kids and they’re all trying to sell the ugly shit.
She insists that it’s worth a fortune, but just tell her that it’s worth what someone will pay to buy used furniture and come haul it all off–which isn’t much. Both of my brothers already have a set that she’s dumped on them over the years, I’m the only one who refused it. I have my own taste and it ain’t that shit. Of course when I’m old, I have no expectation that anyone will want my shit. I like it, but by the time I’m ready to drop, MCM will probably be out of style and it can just go to the salvation army with all the rest of my worthless shit.
This sounds like the perfect time to ask if anyone wants a bulky, barely moveable Singer sewing machine which I was told was worth MILLIONS but they wanted ME to have it…
Lemme guess, it is built into heavy ass table too? I have one of those in my future.
I’m sorry but sometimes you’ve got to lie to them.
If they have something like gold-plated silverware or jewelry you can be more honest. You’ve still got to lie and tell them it sold for slightly more than it really sold for (they will bitch and moan anyway, wanting a super inflated price, but still), and give them a cut of what you got for it.
But if it’s something stupid like furniture nobody wants, or figurines, for dishware, you’ve got to lie to their faces and tell them you needed the money for credit card debt. That is the only way they’re going to stop tripping over their hoarded stuff and getting rescued by the fire department. “Please grandma give me this massive hoard of plates you have packed in cardboard in boxes all over the floor, I need it to pay off my non existent credit cards” and then throw that shit in the trash.
Or tell them nothing. dont bring it up. especially on their death bed. Just comfort them. no need to stress them or yourself out more.Just say it is all fine. agree to whatever by handshake. After that just do what you intend to do anyways. the only legal binding contract is the will. Even at that; the stuff gets disbursed to the new owners who decide whether or not to keep it. the will is a temporary measure to which these temporary objects simply find their new temporary spot. Then life continues to change among the living who make their own executive decisions with these temporary objects.
Other than that get back to your life asap. This estate stuff will eat you alive as it is while you’re grieving.
I wrote a long reply but at the end of the day it’s better to get it done now, tldr
I avoid this problem by not using Facebook
Facebook sellers all consult The Art of the Deal.
[insert selling platform here]
My experience selling on marketplace- list for 50% more than it’s worth. People will then lowball you with reasonable offers.
my experience - list for what you want to get, and just ignore people who annoy you
for items you want to give away for free, mark them as $10 or $20 and then just give them for free when they show up
Noted
The US used vehicle market is a fucked up clown show. In the EU, the prices are more realistic, especially with the smaller motors. The reason, the piss poor US income distribution and astronomical new car prices combined to create this mess.
Programs like cash for clunkers also helped end cheap wheels for a whole generation. Lots of good motors were locked up intentionally :c
“I know what I got” for a 2006 model is actually valid when dealerships track your car to the second in earth coordinates and can disable your a/c unless you subscribe to the feature nowadays.
240k miles.
so like brand new if it’s a Toyota
Fair.
Are you trying to break Europe by using “k” and “miles” together?
240 kilomiles (km)
So many baguettes just hit the ground
Sacre bleu!
In the US, k could stand for 1042 or something, who can tell?
(it’s the number of thumbs that fit in a half barrel btw)
1153 and 36/127ths. Simple.
Why do you keep being your mother a “half barrel”?
It just dawned on me Americans use k as a shorthand for 1000… like the metric system 🤣
And if you’d use yard, then it’s only 9% off. One kiloyard is 0.91 kilometer.
k is just a prefix, it is unit-independent
Ok use kilopounds then. Or milimiles!
kilopounds (Kips) is a real unit that gets used in structural design in the US. It makes no sense lol.
We already have short tons, you don’t lose much precision by halving the number!
Although I do get the argument that using tons is confusing because there are metric tons as well, and with only a 10% difference, it won’t be as obvious as if you confuse pounds and kilos or feet and meters
I had some annoyances with this. My old company had a requirement to do some annoying tasks in intervals that depended on the inverse of the number of tons of fuel used and the document controlling those tasks said just that: ‘tons’. But if you looked in the documentation behind that requirement, it was made back when we’d been involved with a European company for sourcing that fuel so that requirement was actually based on the inverse of specifically the metric tons of fuel used, not short tons. So all the math on determining the interval for doing that task had to involve converting for the metric tons of fuel used in the interval even though the newer fuel supplier we had swapped to and we ourselves were using short tons in essentially every other context. And since the controlling surface level document just said ‘tons’ without specifying which kind I was always having to correct the math of schedulers and new people on my team since they would eternally think we had more time to perform the task than we actually did and respectively plunk it down late or tell someone who was asking that it be moved that it could be pushed later than it should have been.
Anything but metric lol
But milimiles would be redundant, it already gets its name from being roughly equivalent to a thousand of someone, somewhere’s (probably in Europe or the Mediterranean, but beyond that, who knows) paces.
Oh so a mile is just a kilopace you’re saying
A millimile would be five feet, three and a third inches.
Someone, somewhere’s pace!
If it’s a prefix, why do we write it after the number? 🤔
Cos its a prefix regarding the unit
K
I saw that 2 kiloinches away.
Do you live in the US? I’ve seen you simping for Trump before but you’re not familiar with how we write car mileage?
Sus af
Probably a Russian bot
K means 1,000 as in kilo because T already means 1,000,000,000,000 (trillion) OR 2000 pounds (Ton)
T is actually short for 1000 KG not 2000 units of British currency.
You will break people by using a proper Mm there. The GGP is harmless.
Cool abbreviations bro
K is short for 1000.
Merci! It’s actually “short” for “kilo”. But you’re doing great!
Winning hearts and minds being a smug prick.
Great job! You blocked eurotrash shithead!
Guy not kidding. They asking 40k for cars made in the 1980s. Hell even 1990 models. Fucking crazy.
old man anecdote: my first car was a toyota celica, 10 years old, this was back in 99’. it cost $500, bought in the classified ads, and the deal was sealed with a firm handshake and a passing of legal tender in unwashed hands.
that same car nowadays would run me 8k.
I’m never selling my manual Honda Fit.
Best car Honda ever made.
I love the thing. Sunroof, backup and side camera, Earth Dreams VTEC, one owner before me. I know a lot of guys around my age would go for big trucks, SUVs, or sports cars. My “dream” car was always a Honda hatchback lol.
I feel the same about my '12 Civic LX. The only thing I’d give it up for is the same car with a stick.
I haven’t bought a car in almost 10 years. But, there’s this guy saying he has a lot full of used cars, $2500 to $4000. And, he says people are calling to ask if they can finance that small amount, whereas they used to just pay cash:
“small amount”. Ok Elon
In the context of prices of cars it is indeed a rather small amount.
And yet it’s still 2 months of median income in the US.
Which should be well withing an emergency fund for when, for instance, your car breaks down.
Now this is a 20R Toyota I’d do borderline illegal things to own. This would be worth spending some money on. I’d probably swap in a 22R, or even EV swap it
I was just reading about somebody who bought a car in 2020 new for like $40k, and then after three years, resold it for $45k.
People are selling their five year old used GPU for a 50% markup on MSRP. It’s crazy out there.
Inflation does crazy stuff like that.
In the 1980s here in Brazil there were people that made a living by buying new cars and reselling them before the store managed to bring the actual car from the factory.
I know several people who did that - trucks, boats, campers were all worth more used during COVID than they were worth new just a year or two before. You may recall there was a massive chip shortage during COVID and new vehicle production was greatly impacted.
The 2012 used car market was pretty fucked. Tons of old stock had been taking off the market in 09/10 by Cash for Clunkers.
That was also when the CAFE standards changed and suddenly small trucks became effectively illegal since fuel economy standards started being based on vehicle footprint.
It’s why trucks started growing in size so much. The manufacturers figured out it was easier to make cars bigger than to make them more effecient.
Let’s not pretend that a lot of good cars met an early end in C4C. People were hauling in their broken garbage to cash in. Nobody was bringing in some pristine example of anything good. A whole lot of raggedy minivans, crappy econoboxes and rusty trucks got sand in their engines. If they were worth anything, the scrapyard could have plopped a new motor in them and resold them.
C4C cleaned out the bottom of the barrel shit. Unless you were dying for some fucked up shitheap of a car, nothing of value was lost. If someone was dumb enough to roll in with something useful, you know damn well that the dealer would have given them the same money for it and just resold it. Yeah, you weren’t supposed to do that, and politicians aren’t supposed to fuck children either.
You’re way off.
There were fuel economy requirements for c4c, your trade in had to be low mpg and your new purchase or lease had to be higher mpg. So it was never econoboxes. In fact they changed the rules in the middle of it and blacklisted a bunch of engine and model combos so you couldn’t get the rebate if your trade in was good enough on gas.
If a person was coming in to get the c4c money then the dealer had to record the vins to prevent fraud. They made a system in some of the vin check websites that made it so you could look up and make sure you weren’t being sold a salvage car like after Katrina. There was still a really small amount of insane bullshit but it was one of the first times back then that you could get a free title check across state lines instantly and online.
When a dealer gave someone the c4c money they had to record what title it was for and destroy the engine and body. So there was only the car salesman who’s employer wouldn’t be footing the bill for the payout standing between some prospective buyer correctly recognizing it was their one chance to get more for their trade in than any dealership would ever give them being way more willing to sign an onerous lease and signing off on putting reliable vehicles like the box Cherokee and blazer (and f150 and 1500 and and and) on the conveyor belt to being destroyed.
And c4c cars never got scrapped. They were destroyed and then junked. After the most expensive part was destroyed as a requirement of the program the yard that did the job had 180 days to destroy the body. American scrapyards aren’t like European or Asian ones where the car is disassembled into its component parts that each get tagged and put on a shelf in a big warehouse, they drag the car out into a field and let it sit there. A car with no usable engine isn’t even worth handling because it’s taking up space that one with an engine could occupy. It’s not even worth putting in a spot because you have half a year to get some value out of the accessories that weren’t damaged in the engine destruction process (no water pump, no manifolds, no radiators or oil coolers, when the engine blows its seals externally it might even take out the alternator!) and the interior before you gotta move it on. Better to never mess with it in the first place.
Even if none of that were true and it wasn’t actively destroying the parts, engine and chassis availability for two decades of vehicles people could have been driving for dubious environmental and economic gain, c4c specifically incentivized the poorest drivers to take on debt in order to juice the economy. It was fucking evil.
Not to mention the choice of Toyota here makes this especially silly. The used market for body-on-frame Toyotas has been so far out of whack for so long that back when you could still get 0% dealer financing it was often cheaper to buy new than used after you factored in interest rates.
Just tell your mom what ever is left is getting sold in an estate sale
Where is the meme? All that is here is the waking world.
