This is the fucked up part. I had to listen to a gaggle of middle-aged white ladies at work spend an hour talking up how Kamala’s campaign is a disaster, tAmPoN tIm lying about his son being near a shooting and how vance was so polite and cordial during the debate, picking apart “lies” like Walz doesn’t even know how to use guns…
…meanwhile the orange turd and the couch-fucker have been spewing off endless amounts of lies and hate including the pet-eating illegal immigrants in Ohio, the state we currently live in. And one of them had to “explain” what gerrymandering is and why they should vote to keep it in place in Ohio.
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It doesn’t help that LaRose just writes whatever he wants to on the ballot issues (ie summarizing the abortion amendment down to more words than the original amendment, obfuscating this whole gerrymandering thing to make it seem as though a Yes vote will force gerrymandering into our already-gerrymandered state)
I’m surprised he didn’t just say “vote No and we will give you a free puppy and migrants will do your laundry for a year”
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Somebody else said (paraphrasing) - Tell me America isn’t sexist when a competent, qualified woman is running neck-and-neck with a sex offender awaiting sentencing for 14 felony convictions.
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*rapist
Let’s be fair here.
A solid chunk of America is just happy to see someone they can relate to: an explicit, unrepentant racist, the sexual assault is just the cherry on top.
It’s called “sane-washing” where our “liberal news media” (you know, the one that’s owned by six corporations) covers up Donald Trump’s fuck-ups or re-writes them as subtle genius.
Meanwhile Harris has to not make a single mistake, no matter how small.
You realize its a matter of perspective whether shes made mistakes or not, and they all are equally valid considering each person can vote.
VP Harris dazzling me is the only thing keeping me afloat to vote at all.
I do not want to deal with NAZI dog and pony shows every election. And I haven’t seen a way to make it stop.
“I hope that you will forgive me if I’m a little angry that we are indifferent to his erratic behavior, his obvious mental decline, his history as a convicted felon, a known slum lord, a predator found liable for sexual abuse — all of this while we pick apart Kamala’s answers from interviews that he doesn’t even have the courage to do, y’all,” she said.
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/26/nx-s1-5166173/michelle-obama-kamala-harris-donald-trump-abortion
A big part of this election is winning the Obama-Trump-Biden swing voter over to Kamala again. How do you get a mushy moderate with ambivalent feelings toward the two major parties to take your side?
Kamala’s strategy is to raise her own profile by going on interviews and presenting herself as an appealing replacement for Biden. Trump’s strategy is to host large events and wait for his statements to be reported by the constantly-trying-to-sound-neutral national media.
But I think we’re past the point of talking about how candidates present themselves. If you were turned off by Trump’s ramblings or his white nationalism or his Elon fetish, you’d have showed up for Kamala on the first day of early voting. If you can’t stomach Kamala’s brand of market liberalism and her progressive stance on LGBTQ/Abortion issues, you’d have mailed in your vote for Trump a week ago.
What do you say to someone who is still reachable, but not yet committed, as a voter? “Um… actually, the media is being very unfair to my candidate”? No shit. Western media doesn’t exist to be fair, it exists to make money. What else have you got?
Western media doesn’t exist to be fair, it exists to make money.
This is so, so true and goes both ways. People are like, “why doesn’t The Media refute Trump’s lies” or “they’re not promoting Harris’s policies!”
Even the most left/progressive media still exists to generate clicks and views. You can’t expect them to defend Democracy when you’re too lazy to.
You can’t expect them to defend Democracy when you’re too lazy to.
I don’t expect any single news journal to “Defend Democracy”, because I’m not sure what that would even look like? But I will say, I get much better and more reliable press from journals that run fewer ads. The Texas Tribune and the Houston Landing are far and away better than the Houston Chronicle, which is constantly swarming my screen with banner ads and feeding a river of pop-ups into uBlock.
But, I guess, if you just want to hear good news about Democrats, tune into a podcast that’s produced by a bunch of Dem campaign staffers. Pod Save America has been around for nearly a decade. The Daily Kos has been around since the first Bush term. You can get media that’s nothing but “Dems Good, Repubs Bad” if you want it. I don’t know how this defends democracy, but it does appear to be a thing some folks on here want.
Greg Palast is a good investigate journalist who digs into the shady shit behind politics.
The promise of fascism coming from the right. I believe they’ve talked on this too.
If that’s not enough to sway them then nothing could. That’s that. Was it worth the effort? To fend off fascism, yes.
The promise of fascism coming from the right.
There’s plenty of fascism at the center. That’s a big part of the problem with the current system. Liz Cheney and Eric Adams and Joe Manchin aren’t your friends.
If that’s not enough to sway them then nothing could.
Calling the other party “Hitler” isn’t new to this election. Republicans were smearing the internet with Obama/Hitler mashups straight back to his primary run against Hillary. If simply pointing and calling your opponent a fascist could cost them the election, nobody would ever win.
This is entirely dishonest. We’ve all heard trumps rhetoric. We know exactly his intentions because he has spoken them aloud. There is no comparison to Trump and any other person involved in US politics outside of maybe a David Duke type.
There is no comparison to Trump
There are tons of comparisons. That’s the whole fucking problem. It’s not just Trump standing at a podium, alone and out on the fringe, saying shit nobody else agrees with. He is surrounded by like-minded fascist fucks.
The Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis and Sarah Huckabee types. The old school Pat Buchanans and Duncan Hunters. The newer Matt Gaetz and Mike Johnson and Chip Roy and Laura Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene types. The Dinesh D’Souzas and Charlie Kirks and Candice Owens.
And I wish that was all of them. You’ve got guys like Eric Adams, in New York, who has adopted all of Trump’s rhetoric and applied it to his own campaign for mayor. You’ve got billionaires like Musk and Thiel and Bill Akman, who flirt with both parties as its convenient, while pushing the most reactionary and vulgar fascist ideologies. You’ve got the Cheneys and the Bill Kristols and the assorted other Lincoln Project goons, who haven’t changed one lick from their 2004 era heyday, but have found a perch in the Democratic Party after being booted from the GOP for criticizing Dear Leader Trump from the right.
maybe a David Duke type
Way more common in American politics than you want to admit. The entire Gulf Coast and much of the Midwest is flush with them.
The man literally tried to overthrow an election you fucking psychopath.
Damn. Someone should put him in jail for that.
Cheney started two pointless wars that got nearly a million people killed and left nearly every single person affected worse off except for Raytheon executives and maybe the Taliban.
Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott have enacted extreme transphobic policies. Abbott made it so that if you know a trans person receiving care and don’t rat them out to the cops, you could face legal consequences yourself - and he diverted resources from underfunded and overworked social workers away from kids facing actual abuse to breaking up loving and supportive families.
These people have had direct material impacts on the lives of everyday people - they have even had a direct material impact on me, personally. January 6th didn’t. It’s bad sure, but it’s not so much worse than the rest of the conservative platform that Trump is uniquely evil or that anyone who doesn’t see it that way is a “fucking psychopath.”
January 6th wasn’t even the worst thing he’s done, not by a longshot. Like, at least use his COVID response or immigration as your go-to example, like, something that directly affected everyday people and not just politicians.
You are complaining about the wrong people. If you are upset that Trump’s supporters don’t care then yeah that’s the problem of a cult of personality.
I think it’s just that people act where their actions have effects. Making Kamala a better Kamala is something that could happen. Trump, by contrast, is immune to feedback and improvement, so nobody tries. So Trump is left to poop his pants and Kamala gets the entire world’s feedback firehosed at her.
Except catering to these clowns doesn’t get you anywhere. They’re the same people that said they’d vote for any dem that’s not Biden. They got him to drop out, and have just moved the goalpost.
It’s the 11th hour. People are voting now. If you’re still armchair activist-ing to “hold Harris’ feet to the flame” to get results, you’re fooling yourself. All you’re achieving at this point is disenfranchising people into not voting or wasting their vote, which only serves to give Trump another term.
And I think you all know that. And is your goal.
They did the same thing with Biden.
It’s probably related to the phenomenon called “gish gallop”. It’s when someone outputs a ton of falsehoods and other junk very frequently, and other more rational individuals have to refute all those claims and pseudo arguments, look up sources, look up what’s true and what’s false, and so on. There’s an asymmetry in effort - it’s much easier and way faster for the trolls to spit out junk, falsehoods, misleading content, misleading memes, false claims, and so on, than it is to refute those and gather facts, and to do that, you also have to be very careful to make it accurate or else the listeners might go “boo that’s wrong as well, they both suck!”
And then there’s the phenomenon that even bad advertisement is advertisement. Someone whose name keeps coming up, such as Trump, because that name is constantly all over the news, each and every day, must be very important since the name is repeated so much. This automatically “elevates” that person in the minds of some voters, even though the reason for his constant mention is purely negative. So the more reports about Trump’s weird ramblings, the more he is automatically advertised.
I think it’s like a combination of such unfortunate phenomenons. The result is that real politicians have to be accurate, careful, constantly maintain a professional attitude, and carefully counter Trump’s weird claims, while Trump can just continue to spit out hostile nonsense all the time, which is so much easier.
I’m not sure what can be done against such strategies other than education and media literacy, which is probably becoming weaker over time in society. You don’t vote for proven anti-constitutional fascists, ever. If you do, you’ll always be much worse off than if you hadn’t. Even when the alternatives might also not look great overall… it should be your moral duty to always vote for the least-worst option, which means NOT Trump.
~1930ish Germany made such mistakes. Don’t repeat them. You’re now at ~100 years later and are supposed to learn from grave historic mistakes. So please show that you are actually wiser than the people ~100 years ago and don’t vote for proven fascists.
I don’t know if there’s a word for this, but when someone fails constantly, successes are noteworthy. When someone succeeds constantly, failures are noteworthy.
Edit: I wanted to add that it’s weird that the result is one side is judged on their best and the other is judged on their worst… and centrists are still 50/50 on them.
I’ve had to deal with people who are very vocally pro Trump lately and talk about him like he’s an unfairly persecuted hero. I’m long past the point of trying to reason and simply dismiss them for being fools. There’s no way they’ll change their minds after all these years of seeing him do awful things and ignoring it.
Yes, I want Kamala to dazzle me by committing to ending this genocide. Hell even acknowledging the genocide would dazzle me at this point.
The bar is in the fucking basement and Kamala is struggling to get over it.
Volunteer! https://go.kamalaharris.com/
its one thing to ask voting against the orange buffoon but volunteer for a flip-flop genocider ?
is there no shame left in our political system ?
No. There is no shame. And bitching about it so publicly just before an election, despite having this issue ongoing for years and not raising a peep about it. just shows you are not genuine.
No, there’s not. Liberals have fully gone mask off and are outright stating that defending their way of life is worth whatever genocide they actively choose to commit.
It’s honestly shocking living in 1930s Germany when liberals decided to support far right ideology out of fear for themselves.
So wait, you want the fascist to get elected so we can genocide harder? Or where else would this be going?
There is no worse evil than genocide. You cannot lesser evil your way out of being responsible for a genocide you’re committing. It is never the less evil choice. You’ve hit rock bottom. There’s no where else anyone can go.
I’m not going to vote for genocide. I’m not going to endorse it, fund it, or rubber stamp it out of a sense if self preservation because quite frankly that’s a pathetic excuse that only the most pathetic scum sucking coward would use.
I would rather neither fascist be elected, that the American public use their collective power to demand both parties remove themselves and a nation wide vote be held for non genocidal candidates.
But since that’s not an option and this vote truly does not matter to anyone with humanity, I chose to vote third party early, and I’ll be helping my local mutual aid networks prepare a little extra since they enemies of either a Harris or trump government.
So we can expect 100% of your vocal support against the genocides being inflicted against the Uyghur, the Sudanese, the Rohingya in Myanmar, and all the numerious other targetted populations around the world?
oh thank god we have a option for softer genocide. god bless kamala for promising the kids in gaza few more years of hunger, dead parents, burning hospitals and finally sniper bullet in head or blown to pieces from bomb made & gifted by us.
once in a lifetime opportunity for us to secure a place in hell with just a vote, easy peasy.
whatever genocide they actively choose to commit.
I’m pretty sure it’s Trump that’s going to choose to commit genocides against brown and queer people. His supporters and the people behind him sure seem into the idea.
Yes that’s the second part of the second sentence little one, thank you for satirically being an example of said mask off liberal.
I am a “sad mask off liberal” because I don’t want a genocide to be committed against queer and brown people?
Does that mean you do?
Oh, sorry, I thought you were voting Harris.
I’m glad to hear you’re not voting for the genocide of brown and queer people.
So were you able to go all the way and pick de la Cruz or did you have to settle for stein thanks to dem election interference yet agai
Oh, you’re one of those people who lied after Roe got struck down about how Hillary Clinton would have picked the same sort of justices and struck Roe down.
Only one group of people has promised genocide. It isn’t Harris. You know this, so I’m not sure why you’re lying about it.
Asking about her administration’s stance on the issues isn’t wanting to be “dazzled”. It’s wanting to be informed.
You’ve got it wrong. It’s not about asking her the questions. It’s expecting her to give flawless answers while Donny can incoherently ramble word salad for 2 minutes to thunderous applause.
These sorts of comments confuse the fuck out of me, like, who are you directing this at? A Donald trump voter? The people “expecting Kamala to dazzle them” are entirely aware that Donald trump is an incompetent lunatic. They’re asking for the bare minimum from Kamala because she’s the only viable option and she can’t even deliver that bare minimum.
I think they think Donald Trump is the standard. It’s important to remember that he isn’t. That’s an easy comparison, and some roadkill wins that contest. Being better than the worst isn’t enough of a selling point. 2016 proved that. Be better.
Being better than the worst isn’t enough
Be better.
Lol
2016 proved that
2016 proved that Trump would be a fucking disaster, and waiting for your perfect candidate will never happen, and probably wouldn’t win with the majority of Americans anyway.
What did Trump do that’s more disasterous than genocide? Or more broadly what specifically did he do that was worse in 2016-2020 than it has been under Biden?
If you’re a white, straight male who doesn’t care about the friends and family around you, then yeah not much changed! /s
Way to out yourself lol
I’m at most one of those things.
Way to dodge the question lol
What did Trump do that was worse than genocide? Can you tell me?
Arguing with teenagers is pointless, you can’t vote and think you know it all. Moral absolutism is a fucking scourge smh
Asking for defunding of genocide is also apparently the “dazzle” that’s too much.
Yeah good luck asking Trump for that. Reminder: there are 99 million other issues at stake. Get off your imaginary moral pedestal and help.
Definitely impossible to ask trump that I agree. Why is it impossible to ask Harris?
That’s Congress.
The president can’t actually halt funding that Congress has allocated. See Trump’s first impeachment for this very scenario.
There are laws on the books that make it illegal to send weapons to a country that’s violating human rights that Biden is refusing to enforce. What’s more, he’s actually bypassed congress to send more weapons than what they allocated. Because he’s a lifelong Zionist who is 100% supportive of everything Israel is doing.
There’s a law the Republicans forced through that specifically forces the Biden Administration fund Israel. That “bypassed Congress” claim is kind of wrong.
See, Congress said pay this, and then didn’t pass a budget that actually allocated money for it.
Biden actually tried to slow roll the funding the last time this happened, but this time around Republicans in Congress made sure he wouldn’t be allowed to slow roll it.
And the money has to come from somewhere.
Bullshit.
The Biden administration once again bypasses Congress on an emergency weapons sale to Israel - AP
Veterans Demand Termination of Weapons to Israel - VFP (provides a lists of several laws that Biden could use to stop aid)
You are either misinformed or lying. Provide a source if you want me to think otherwise.
I voted party for socialism and liberation and you can too!
They’re running Claudia de la Cruz on a platform of Palestinian statehood and an end to arms shipments to israel.
If you never asked Harris to dazzle you, only to show even the smallest sign of intent to end the genocide she’s party to, why not vote for a candidate that has consistently been anti genocide this whole time!
Voting for Claudia de la Cruz at this point will not actually help, and deep down I’m sure you know that. Fundamental changes are needed to break through the 2-party system. And I’m sure you know that too. You’re basically polishing a shiny chrome gearshift knob you bought in case someday your grandchildren can afford a fancy car. Congratulations!
Oh they absolutely know.
Psl is literally a revolutionary party.
It doesn’t get more fundamental than that.
PSL is a spoiler campaign that isn’t even on the ballot in most states because they are inexperienced, do-nothing spoilers. Any vote for them is an assist for Trump.
To anyone reading along- ask yourself this:
These people that ask you to vote for the PSL. Where were they over the past four years? Have you even heard of their spoiler candidate before a few weeks ago? What have they done to make their policy known? And like the “socialists” like to say:
“What has she done to earn your vote?”
These people simping for the PSL don’t have your interest in mind any more that the members that are trying to get themselves elected.
Do NOT take them seriously until they show that have earned your attention!
Oh hey! Nice to see you!
Psl is on the ballot in 20 states, you’re right, and it would be 22 if they weren’t pushed off or invalidated in Georgia and Pennsylvania.
But they’re allowed write in candidates in 23 states and that gives them a possible 464 electoral votes. More than enough to win!
Write in ballots are counted. I know because I’ve worked elections and seen the process where they’re added to a tally.
I will take an inexperienced candidate over one in favor of genocide any day.
De la Cruz has made a commitment to end the genocide which is a fundamental part of the psl platform in 2024 and has a plan to use executive power to end the genocide. Even if I wasn’t a booster of psl already that would go a long way towards earning my vote.
To anyone reading this: feel free to congratulate me, because I just earned your attention!
De La Cruz and the PSL Actually does things outside of run for office. Organize various revolutionary groups, protest genocide, help marginalized communities.
Just because you ignore all political action besides voting every 4(or maybe 2) years doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
They do nothing to earn their support of votes. Nothing. Little to no campaigning. Seemingly no viable policy that could work in the real world- and seemingly no willingness to even try and enter the ring and work with anyone.
Nothing but empty promises and demands that will be laughed out of offices.
But it sure looks good to people ignorant enough to not bother to understand how politics work in the real world.
Change doesn’t happen just because you want it badly enough.
They do nothing to earn their support of votes. Nothing.
I’ve been seeing it lots lately that party’s don’t have to earn votes but I guess it’s just Dems who are owed them?
Nothing but empty promises and demands that will be laughed out of offices.
Oh ya dude the Dems and Republicans loveee fulfilling campaign promises! That’s why we have healthcare, loan forgiveness, legal weed, the abolition of the death penalty…
But it sure looks good to people ignorant enough to not bother to understand how politics work in the real world.
Ah that’s what I was forgetting. In the real world only bad things can happen. It is foolish to believe anything good could occur. Ignorant me.
Change doesn’t happen just because you want it badly enough.
Than why vote for Kamala or Trump? We’re told Harris wants to end the genocide despite all evidence and that we must vote for her… And yet it seems to be simply based on the power of belief that she will do good things. Kamala isn’t going to stop the slaughter just because you want her to. Ditto for trump. His followers beliefs are all that keep him afloat despite him doing Jack shit.
It’s far too late in the game to engage with any of you in any meaning way on this. You gave up the rights to my patience and respect when you all insulted everyone that tried to explain this to you- over and over again.
I’m here to call out the bad faith bullshit, and point and laugh at the failed attempts to interfere with an election.
Nothing more.
It’s not about the player, it’s about the game. Two party first past the post systems are subject to the weakness of the “Spoiler effect” which is a legitimate problem with the design of the system.
As a Canadian this is a well known and well worn principle of our election landscape as “strategic voting” has been byword in elections for about 20 years. The Electoral College creates additional complexity that is more or less something that can be pointed to as the source of the problem but the issues are much deeper.
I know it’s really hard to actually come up against these principles and lose one’s innocent belief that the system rewards your type of participation… But you need to look beyond the gloss and realize how cracked the system is otherwise you will be played.
If the democrats lose because of the spoiler effect you describe, do you think they’ll try to take on the positions of the party that they “lost” the most votes to?
Spoiler effect is fake and made up, but for the purposes of your belief that it’s real, will one or the other major party try to court third party voters in the case that they believe themselves to have been harmed by it?
Not really. The Democrats are aware of the effect but if they lose they basically just go back to the drawing board. They actively benefit from a lack of knowledge of the FPTP drawbacks so they don’t bring it up unless things get dire enough to tip their hand. They have been squirrelly about letting that understanding flourish so they have been putting forward a sacrificial lamb in the form of the Electoral College to keep people’s eye off the prize.
But unless you get a once in a lifetime knife edge minority government third parties tend to be unstable voting blocks who don’t have the ability to influence schedules which is where the real power lies. They might vote their hearts but it doesn’t matter if they can’t even propose time on the floor for their issues.
From the standpoint of the beneficiaries of the spoiler effect you are a sacrifice that is useful because if we are having this conversation then we aren’t talking about more threatening things lile election reform.
I would love to signal for PSL but unfortunately I have to vote
As long as you don’t live in Alaska, Nevada, Montana, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Georgia or Pennsylvania you can signal for psl when you vote!
Harris whole career is a mistake. There’s nothing inspirational about a prosecutor turned genocider.
Trump only exists because the dems offer nothing much better. They could’ve beat this guy with Bernie, Michelle, etc. They chose a genocidal cop instead.
Don’t blame me for that. Voting in my state doesn’t even matter.
There’s no local races in your state? No bills, amendments, or measures to vote on? House or Senate races, nothing? k
I think it’s probably better to not encourage someone like this to vote.
Hahaha fair point
“Votink does not matter tovarisch, I do not even bother and nobody should my fellow American youth, do you know what I be saying my dog?”
Yeah? How many people has she killed?
How many people has she asked to kill?
You’re a genocidal mistake if we use your logic
She’s asked Israel for a ceasefire publicly, you’ve just trash talked on Lemmy and ignored her requests for a ceasefire
You’re sitting here on Lemmy, you should be out there at Gaza.
It sure is easy to do a better job behind a computer screen. If you aren’t genocidal, prove it by going out there and fighting
Voting in my state doesn’t even matter.
please please for a 3rd party. we need to show that the people want an alternative to these child murdering parasites and the data to show for it it. its a long fight and even it doesn’t get to 5%, getting closer to it will be a step in the right direction.
No, a better short term goal is to get away from the First Past the Post system. Something like STAR voting. Those third parties would benefit themselves by working towards better voting systems locally.
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how is this a meme ? like is there some hidden joke about harris dazzling us with the promises of continuing the genocide, increase fracking and bring anti-immigrants policies ?
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